byne wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Here it is! Note: It's not supposed to make a whole lot of sense - like the literal version!Krimzie wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Love brain games. By the way, have you seen my Super-secret Ending Choice video?
Negatory! Where can I find it?
Hope at least a couple things are funny.
If Banshee gets to plug his video I get to plug mine too!
I think those are just the tactics that the Reapers use in order to subdue the organics and make the Harvest easier. They still want those organics so that they can create more Reapers. It would limit losses to demoralize the enemies while also adding troops. It's a two - for - one Combo!Andromidius wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
It's not a sick bloodsport; it's self preservation
Incorrect. Self preservation would be maintaining order on the Galaxy and killing legitimate threats to them, not murdering entire populations and turning them into abominations.
They are interested in their own preservation, of course. But they blatantly enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on a ridiculous scale. Its bloodsport, regardless of it they devour the carcasses they pile up for their own enjoyment.
Byne wrote...
Yknow, for things that claim to be all about preserving organic life, the Reapers really dont try very hard.
An example from the planet Vana:
Vana description...
A large rock planet, Vana is covered in prodigious amounts of dry ice, leaving only thin traces of gas for its atmosphere. Uranium deposits drew batarian miners to Vana long ago, and when that was exhausted, they moved on to its magnesium. The Reapers have exterminated the colony here, punching holes in the domed cities and leaving its occupants to asphyxiate.
I like how apparently the Reapers didnt even turn them into Cannibals, they just poked holes in their city and left, presumably laughing evilly.
TheConstantOne wrote...
Krimzie wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
In the literal sense, it doesn't stop evolution and it doesn't create a utopia. It merely provides another avenue for organic life to adapt to their environment. And given the nature of life and how conflict is inevitable, the only way it could create a "utopia" would be by establishing a decisive dystopia of absolute slaves.
But if it isn't creating a utopia, can it actually be considered a solution to the Catalyst's problem?
Creating utopias harldy seems to be the Catalyst's motivation. I point to the Reaper cycles as my case and point :happy:
401 Kill wrote...
I think those are just the tactics that the Reapers use in order to subdue the organics and make the Harvest easier. They still want those organics so that they can create more Reapers. It would limit losses to demoralize the enemies while also adding troops. It's a two - for - one Combo!Andromidius wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
It's not a sick bloodsport; it's self preservation
Incorrect. Self preservation would be maintaining order on the Galaxy and killing legitimate threats to them, not murdering entire populations and turning them into abominations.
They are interested in their own preservation, of course. But they blatantly enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on a ridiculous scale. Its bloodsport, regardless of it they devour the carcasses they pile up for their own enjoyment.
BleedingUranium wrote...
Byne wrote...
Yknow, for things that claim to be all about preserving organic life, the Reapers really dont try very hard.
An example from the planet Vana:
Vana description...
A large rock planet, Vana is covered in prodigious amounts of dry ice, leaving only thin traces of gas for its atmosphere. Uranium deposits drew batarian miners to Vana long ago, and when that was exhausted, they moved on to its magnesium. The Reapers have exterminated the colony here, punching holes in the domed cities and leaving its occupants to asphyxiate.
I like how apparently the Reapers didnt even turn them into Cannibals, they just poked holes in their city and left, presumably laughing evilly.
The turian Councilor's behavior during that meeting is hilarious. Not only that quote. He also reminds me of Skeletor.BansheeOwnage wrote...
Ah, yes "music"BleedingUranium wrote...
And mine! It has nothing to do with the endings, but it's the only one I've made.
Modifié par paxxton, 16 décembre 2012 - 04:47 .
Andromidius wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
The biggest trick to the Catalyst's logic, and this is from an IT and literal viewpoint, is what it considers to be organic life. It seems to have escaped the logical fallacy of killing organic life to save it by storing genetic material and information about cultural/technological in Reaper bodies. So, it characterizes organic life by 1) its genes and 2) its cultural markings. Preserving both of these seems to be sufficient enough to all the Catalyst to start its genocidal crusade. Based on what we learn from Leviathan, I don't think there's a difference between the IT and literal take on this particular point
An even bigger hole in its logic is 'protecting organics from creating synthetics' - by giving organics the technology that will enable them to create synthetics faster...
Yeah great job there, champ.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
Krimzie wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
In the literal sense, it doesn't stop evolution and it doesn't create a utopia. It merely provides another avenue for organic life to adapt to their environment. And given the nature of life and how conflict is inevitable, the only way it could create a "utopia" would be by establishing a decisive dystopia of absolute slaves.
But if it isn't creating a utopia, can it actually be considered a solution to the Catalyst's problem?
Creating utopias harldy seems to be the Catalyst's motivation. I point to the Reaper cycles as my case and point :happy:
Ironically, "Utopia" may be one of the underlying influences, (indirectly), for the ME plot.
Thomas More's book, "Utopia" was one of the earlist socialist fictions in which a highly regulated tyrannical regime was represented as the ultimate evolution of society, where people were relegated to an almost mechanical flow of life and the individual took a backseat to the whole.
Some time later that thought process, itself, evolved into the work of Thomas Hobbes and was published as "Leviathan", (sound familiar?). The Leviathan was a massive all-engulfing state in which a Sovereign, (again, familiar?), was imbued with the will of all his/her constituants, creating, in theory, a national being with the power of thousands and the synchronicity of a single mind. The original Levithan was a creation out of willfullness, but had the philosophical authority to conquer and asimilate other peoples as mirrors of itself, tied to the Sovereigns will.
byne wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Byne wrote...
Yknow, for things that claim to be all about preserving organic life, the Reapers really dont try very hard.
An example from the planet Vana:
Vana description...
A large rock planet, Vana is covered in prodigious amounts of dry ice, leaving only thin traces of gas for its atmosphere. Uranium deposits drew batarian miners to Vana long ago, and when that was exhausted, they moved on to its magnesium. The Reapers have exterminated the colony here, punching holes in the domed cities and leaving its occupants to asphyxiate.
I like how apparently the Reapers didnt even turn them into Cannibals, they just poked holes in their city and left, presumably laughing evilly.
I totally forgot I'd even written that.
Modifié par BleedingUranium, 16 décembre 2012 - 04:47 .
You've written quite a few awesome things like that. Simply, blunt statements that completely shatter arguments, or philosophies. Keep it up!byne wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
Byne wrote...
Yknow, for things that claim to be all about preserving organic life, the Reapers really dont try very hard.
An example from the planet Vana:
Vana description...
A large rock planet, Vana is covered in prodigious amounts of dry ice, leaving only thin traces of gas for its atmosphere. Uranium deposits drew batarian miners to Vana long ago, and when that was exhausted, they moved on to its magnesium. The Reapers have exterminated the colony here, punching holes in the domed cities and leaving its occupants to asphyxiate.
I like how apparently the Reapers didnt even turn them into Cannibals, they just poked holes in their city and left, presumably laughing evilly.
I totally forgot I'd even written that.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
You've written quite a few awesome things like that. Simply, blunt statements that completely shatter arguments, or philosophies. Keep it up!
By the way Blur, where did you get that, I don't think it was in my WOA. It is now though.
Krimzie wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
I'm thinking that the Catalyst's problem is solved because, through synthesis, organics can now upgrade themselves at will through clever use of technology. Thus, they can compete with synthetics over the long term for survival. So, once synthesis happens, the Reapers no longer need to reap. Wars may break out in the future but organics being rendered as obsolete is no longer an issue...that's what I think it all means anyway haha
Ah-ha! I see. I accept this explanation as plausible (lawl, who the hell am I to even say that?
But are we to believe, based on the EC epilogues, that a networking of conciousnesses -- a la the consensus -- will also take place? Isn't there that line about gaining all the knowledge of the reaped races (or crap, is that control?). Or even if I pulled the wrong line out of my ass, don't the synthetics need to network with techno-organics to gain that understanding they oh-so want? So... utopia...?
I can see how the utopia assumption both is and is not a stretch, but I still lean toward it being a Matrix illusion anyway, so this is just a fun brain game for me.
The above ninja totally doesn't count.BleedingUranium wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
You've written quite a few awesome things like that. Simply, blunt statements that completely shatter arguments, or philosophies. Keep it up!
By the way Blur, where did you get that, I don't think it was in my WOA. It is now though.
Late Mk.I
I posted my response, and it took a couple of minutes to actually appear. No joke. 
BansheeOwnage wrote...
The above ninja totally doesn't count.BleedingUranium wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
You've written quite a few awesome things like that. Simply, blunt statements that completely shatter arguments, or philosophies. Keep it up!
By the way Blur, where did you get that, I don't think it was in my WOA. It is now though.
Late Mk.I
IT reveal in T-minus 5 minuntes and counting...DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Primarch Victus: Worst case scenarios aren't just theories--they're what you'll be dealing with five minutes from now.
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 16 décembre 2012 - 04:54 .
It's happening right now.byne wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
The above ninja totally doesn't count.
That happens to me a lot.
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 16 décembre 2012 - 04:54 .
+1byne wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
The above ninja totally doesn't count.BleedingUranium wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
You've written quite a few awesome things like that. Simply, blunt statements that completely shatter arguments, or philosophies. Keep it up!
By the way Blur, where did you get that, I don't think it was in my WOA. It is now though.
Late Mk.I
That happens to me a lot.
spotlessvoid wrote...
I bet if the Reaper Armada came and told organics what they would do to them if they built synthetics, organics would probably knock it off.
You know...spotlessvoid wrote...
I bet if the Reaper Armada came and told organics what they would do to them if they built synthetics, organics would probably knock it off.
BleedingUranium wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I bet if the Reaper Armada came and told organics what they would do to them if they built synthetics, organics would probably knock it off.
Exactly!
/Anderson
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