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[paxxton]

You know what I'd want in ME3? That the final battle be half an hour long, jam-packed with special effects and memorable moments. That would make up for a finale the series deserves.

EDIT: Or even an  hour long. Like a movie.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 décembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Shepard: The Leviathans are part of this war now. This is what they can do - with their minds.
[Shows Guardian a video]

Guardian: I welcome their involvement.

Shepard:

So he has a code.

[spotlessvoid]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Shepard: The Leviathans are part of this war now. This is what they can do - with their minds.
[Shows Guardian a video]

Guardian: I welcome their involvement.

Shepard:

Pretty strange

[Arian Dynas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I bet if the Reaper Armada came and told organics what they would do to them if they built synthetics, organics would probably knock it off.

Exactly!

/Anderson

Not a chance; we'd just get alot more subtle about it; AIs are already banned on basically penalty of death, and guess what? People still make them anyway; everyone assumes the rules don't apply to them. Until they do.

[spotlessvoid]

Of course it certainly makes sense not to bring any Leviathan orbs on the beam run.

[TheConstantOne]

Krimzie wrote...

Auralius Carolus wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

In the literal sense, it doesn't stop evolution and it doesn't create a utopia. It merely provides another avenue for organic life to adapt to their environment. And given the nature of life and how conflict is inevitable, the only way it could create a "utopia" would be by establishing a decisive dystopia of absolute slaves.

But if it isn't creating a utopia, can it actually be considered a solution to the Catalyst's problem?

Creating utopias harldy seems to be the Catalyst's motivation.  I point to the Reaper cycles as my case and point :happy:

Ironically, "Utopia" may be one of the underlying influences, (indirectly), for the ME plot.

Thomas More's book, "Utopia" was one of the earlist socialist fictions in which a highly regulated tyrannical regime was represented as the ultimate evolution of society, where people were relegated to an almost mechanical flow of life and the individual took a backseat to the whole.

Some time later that thought process, itself, evolved into the work of Thomas Hobbes and was published as "Leviathan", (sound familiar?). The Leviathan was a massive all-engulfing state in which a Sovereign, (again, familiar?), was imbued with the will of all his/her constituants, creating, in theory, a national being with the power of thousands and the synchronicity of a single mind. The original Levithan was a creation out of willfullness, but had the philosophical authority to conquer and asimilate other peoples as mirrors of itself, tied to the Sovereigns will.

Really interesting. Adding these to my post-grad reading list. Thanks!

Contrasting the underlying theme of utopias with the overt themes of close friendships, love, loyalty, and decision-making can also show how a utopia is not what ME is advocating.

I've always found utopianism so creepy. :|

Those do sound like great philosophical works to read up on.  I have heard of them before but have never had much time to investigate.  Which is a shame...I find social philosophy fascinating.

The problem I have with utopianism is that it implies an end to all innovation and growth, on both an individual and evolutionary scale.  Life should always be about improving oneself, I believe.  And as long as people have the desire to improve, there will be no utopia.  That's how things should be, I think

[BleedingUranium]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Those do sound like great philosophical works to read up on.  I have heard of them before but have never had much time to investigate.  Which is a shame...I find social philosophy fascinating.

The problem I have with utopianism is that it implies an end to all innovation and growth, on both an individual and evolutionary scale.  Life should always be about improving oneself, I believe.  And as long as people have the desire to improve, there will be no utopia.  That's how things should be, I think

Very true!

[Auralius Carolus]

Krimzie wrote...

Really interesting. Adding these to my post-grad reading list. Thanks!

Contrasting the underlying theme of utopias with the overt themes of close friendships, love, loyalty, and decision-making can also show how a utopia is not what ME is advocating.

I've always found utopianism so creepy. :|

Yeah, I don't know where this whole "dreamy" view of Utopia came from. The original fiction was basically a glorified USSR or something akin: forced euthanasia for people past their prime, enslavement of those who didn't fit the social norms, no private property, mandated labor requirements for all. I suppose it's no surprise that the Communist Manifesto was a further evolution of the Utopian perspective.

I'd say you have a right to find it creepy: the whole Reaper motto of forced ascension, (ascension being a very relative term), fits the bill of most Utopian philosophy and literature. The big difference is that the Reapers make cool sounds and are probably horrified by sushi bars.

[paxxton]

Ray Muzyka tweeted about Mass Effect being connected to the shooting.
https://twitter.com/...064462617182208

Modifié par paxxton, 16 décembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Those do sound like great philosophical works to read up on.  I have heard of them before but have never had much time to investigate.  Which is a shame...I find social philosophy fascinating.

The problem I have with utopianism is that it implies an end to all innovation and growth, on both an individual and evolutionary scale.  Life should always be about improving oneself, I believe.  And as long as people have the desire to improve, there will be no utopia.  That's how things should be, I think

Very true!

Indeed. Nice read.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

Ray Muzyka tweeted about Mass Effect being connected to the shooting.
https://twitter.com/...064462617182208

The picture of Kal'Reegar and Tali facepalming in unison on the article's opener says it all. I feel bad for the ME people for having to put up with this.

[Auralius Carolus]

TheConstantOne wrote...

The problem I have with utopianism is that it implies an end to all innovation and growth, on both an individual and evolutionary scale.  Life should always be about improving oneself, I believe.  And as long as people have the desire to improve, there will be no utopia.  That's how things should be, I think

In a way, that's also the story in ME: it's a battle of enlightment philosophies.

The Reapers use a very advanced, but static position and utilize raw control to keep from being outdone.

On the other hand you have the varying cycles and races, which advance rapidly through an unseen order in the chaos, striving but becoming stronger out of necessity. Inevitably all those different minds competing and working together resulted in a serious challenge for a far older and more advanced community.

As it turns out, the Reapers are very wrong about evolution: there is no apex, it's cyclic and relative. That is their vulnerability.

[dorktainian]

ah i seem to remember posting about how the endings could be 3 words. dystopia, utopia and euphoria. interesting.

Modifié par dorktainian, 16 décembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ray Muzyka tweeted about Mass Effect being connected to the shooting.
https://twitter.com/...064462617182208

The picture of Kal'Reegar and Tali facepalming in unison on the article's opener says it all. I feel bad for the ME people for having to put up with this.

True. Some people are morons. How many of them even spent some time with the games and took effort to actually think about the story? That's actually not even a question.

[Krimzie]

Auralius Carolus wrote...
As it turns out, the Reapers are very wrong about evolution: there is no apex, it's cyclic and relative. That is their vulnerability.

/clap

Quoting this because it deserves every second look it can get.

I love when I come to these boards and leave with new ways to think about the universe. I wonder how this statement, which I completely agree with, would interact with programmable knowledge? Would an AI have the coding parameters to accept a cyclical, relative, apex-less paradigm? 

Clearly, organics do unconciously. They just adapt, unaware. 

Modifié par Krimzie, 16 décembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ray Muzyka tweeted about Mass Effect being connected to the shooting.
https://twitter.com/...064462617182208

The picture of Kal'Reegar and Tali facepalming in unison on the article's opener says it all. I feel bad for the ME people for having to put up with this.

True. Some people are morons. How many of them even spent some time with the games and took effort to actually think about the story? That's actually not even a question.

However many people are on this thread:
http://social.biowar...ndex/13414717/1

I kid, but seriously, there need to me more.

[Auralius Carolus]

paxxton wrote...

Ray Muzyka tweeted about Mass Effect being connected to the shooting.
https://twitter.com/...064462617182208

Yeah, I already am aware. As a responsible and trained marksman, my kind are getting witch hunted to no end for the acts of a deranged man who was an abomination in our own eyes.

I can't express my sympathy enough for that tragedy, but it's darn hard to express when you're being turned into a scapegoat.

[Jadebaby]

Hey Banshee.

[spotlessvoid]

With mainstream culture being debased daily, I doubt an "educated" public is going to collectively choose self improvement over self appeasement. In the absence of individual accountability in the overall population, the question of social viability becomes one of technological progress. Can we master our resources before it's too late? The problem is a public dumbed down to a stupor has failed to demand the power structure act in the interest of the whole. Like all things, a balance must be struck. Individualist trying to impose collectivism would be how I'd sum up global "leadership." We've seen what that model has produced: endless war. Still, anarchy is not civilization. Which is why a collective that protects the individual is the only moral form of government. Not the individual crushing collectivism imposed by elitist individuals that is rampant today. But that's what happens when you blur the lines between state and corporation.

[dorktainian]

do you know what would be awesome? if when shepard is lying there in the rubble and breaks free of indoctrination visions of members of the dead races from previous cycles past came to him and had a conversation with him, urging him to continue the fight for them....for the lost. strengthen his resolve.

[BleedingUranium]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ray Muzyka tweeted about Mass Effect being connected to the shooting.
https://twitter.com/...064462617182208

Yeah, I already am aware. As a responsible and trained marksman, my kind are getting witch hunted to no end for the acts of a deranged man who was an abomination in our own eyes.

I can't express my sympathy enough for that tragedy, but it's darn hard to express when you're being turned into a scapegoat.

Yep, people are always trying to blame everything but the real problem.

[BleedingUranium]

dorktainian wrote...

do you know what would be awesome? if when shepard is lying there in the rubble and breaks free of indoctrination visions of members of the dead races from previous cycles past came to him and had a conversation with him, urging him to continue the fight for them....for the lost. strengthen his resolve.

I had a similar idea to that, Shepard could mental battle all of the Reapers, as in, battle their avatars, which each look like the conciousness they were made from. By killing their mind, Shepard would kill them. It'd be awesome and a cool way to defeat them.

[tangythang]

Just when I had time to visit this thread again...
How is mass effect encourage school shooting, those that condemn doesn't even took their time to even google it first. Does people weren't even concerned of a 20 years old having access to a GUN?

[Krimzie]

BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

do you know what would be awesome? if when shepard is lying there in the rubble and breaks free of indoctrination visions of members of the dead races from previous cycles past came to him and had a conversation with him, urging him to continue the fight for them....for the lost. strengthen his resolve.

I had a similar idea to that, Shepard could mental battle all of the Reapers, as in, battle their avatars, which each look like the conciousness they were made from. By killing their mind, Shepard would kill them. It'd be awesome and a cool way to defeat them.

There's probably a staging area for this, too. Daaaark spaaaace!  Or, you know, in Shepard's mind in a different plane of reality. Which could exist indark space. You... you never know...


Edit: Oooo, l likes it on top -- wait, wut.
 

Modifié par Krimzie, 16 décembre 2012 - 06:11 .

[Auralius Carolus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

With mainstream culture being debased daily, I doubt an "educated" public is going to collectively choose self improvement over self appeasement. In the absence of individual accountability in the overall population, the question of social viability becomes one of technological progress. Can we master our resources before it's too late? The problem is a public dumbed down to a stupor has failed to demand the power structure act in the interest of the whole. Like all things, a balance must be struck. Individualist trying to impose collectivism would be how I'd sum up global "leadership." We've seen what that model has produced: endless war. Still, anarchy is not civilization. Which is why a collective that protects the individual is the only moral form of government. Not the individual crushing collectivism imposed by elitist individuals that is rampant today. But that's what happens when you blur the lines between state and corporation.

Yep. People need to go back and read some John Locke, Edmund Burke and Adam Smith.

But that's one of the things, (getting back on topic), that requires suspention of disbelieve with me and Mass Effect: you have this enormously powerful Systems Alliance and the seemingly pathetic sovereign host nations, and yet the Alliance has yet to really influence Earth, (at least that we've seen).

All it takes is one man, (i.e., Caesar 2.0), and Earth is under the bootheel of a new empire. Given that Earth is in ruins, and even the nukes are disable, I can only imagine the power grabs that will occur after the fall of the Reapers.