80611 réponses à ce sujet

[The Heretic of Time]

Ginissss wrote...

Heretic_Hanar do u believe in jesus?

No. Why do you ask?

[DarthSliver]

Rankincountry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Rankincountry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
So you meant that the object of choice is a lie.

I meant there isn't a pipe to shoot. A mental pipe maybe but not one in front of you.

But how can you distinguish reality from a dream if the dream is like reality?

That reminds me of an HP Lovecraft story about a guy who could visit other worlds in his dreams and ended up unable to distinguish which world was which, since both seemed equally real to him. Maybe that's a way of looking at indoctrination? When you can no longer distinguish between Reaper thoughts and ideals and your own?

best post i've seen in a while.  what in the end defines reality?  Is everything we see a dream?  Is everything we dream real?    in the case of shepard is it even possible to tell them apart?  We see shepard wake up after the final kid chase dream.....but do we?

Very nice of you to say so . Your own comparison to the Red and Blue pills in the Matrix is just as good. There's so much precedent for something like IT in so much other fantasy and SF literature, going back decades. And we know for a fact that Mac Walters had the Matrix on his mind when writing ME3.

The Lovecraft story is "Through the Gates of the Silver Key". Comes with the usual health warning that Lovecraft was a horrible racist and it sometimes shows in his work.

Ok this is ackward to ask but can someone explain the connection better of the "blue and red pill" and its connection?

I like this theory not because i believe in it but because its the only Theory i read out there that makes the ending make sense. If I read the ending straight as its given to us than its utter crap a choice to the ending of Shepard's story and the Reaper threat makes no sense in my opinion. But than I came to this thread and read the first post and the Original Post by Byne and it all made sense. The choice is testing us to stay true to ourselves and not to given in to the Reapers. The simple way for me to look at it is I went there to destroy them. 

[paxxton]

Norlond wrote...

paxxton wrote...

There are 4 forces. Gravity, Electromagnetism, Weak Nuclear Force, Strong Nuclear Force. Electromagnetism is sometimes taken together with the Weak force, forming Electroweak force.

I know, I only left them out because they add little to nothing to the "walking through wall"-topic

And btw, maybe there are Interactions we don't know about yet, hidden in higher dimensions or only affecting imaginary time or a second time dimension, there are even hints that the fine-structure constant is no constant, everything is possible, that's why I love modern physics

*looks at text* Ok I'm being nerdish again, sry for that

Yeah, I mentioned all 4 for the sake of completeness. And it's true that modern physics is mysterious and amazing.

[Restrider]

jojon2se wrote...



They also score  a secondary victory, if they can kill signal-to-noise ratio.

In the case of this thread, they manage this with the help of people who should know better (and probably do, but can't resist biting anyway), than to respond to them.
I am pretty much constantly 10-50 posts behind and even though I shouldn't, I take the time to skim each page for gems, which does take tons of time (slow reader), even if I summarily skip posts which has certain names in them).

(Incidently; If I was seriously going to filter out good stuff from the whole compound thread, I might just grep "restrider", remove duplicates and live with the loss of any other tasty bits...)

I cannot underline how much I agree with you.
If someone (politely) posts questions that were already answered, then we can repost them.
If trollish behavior is detected, then why even bother?
And the pollution in this thread is also caused by some lingering conflicts that won't be solved with the amount of information we have right now - let alone a few personal feuds!
And I am flattered by the bolded part.

[The Heretic of Time]

Ginissss wrote...

For people too not see all the clues and hints in mass effect that show the ending is indoctrination are ****in morons that probably think tony soprano didnt get killed at the end and who believe in jesus thats why i ask that idiot troll heretic_hanar if he believes in jesus

Except I don't believe Tony Soprano didn't get killed and I don't believe in Jesus. 

I find it ironic that you compare me with a conspiracy theorist and a religious believer, because if anyone is closer to a conspiracy theorist and a religious believer, it's you and most of your IT folks.

All the clues and hints that show the ending is IT? Don't make me laugh. There are no clues or hints. All I see is grasping at straws and confirmation bias being at work here.

[Restrider]

dorktainian wrote...

Rankincountry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
So you meant that the object of choice is a lie.

I meant there isn't a pipe to shoot. A mental pipe maybe but not one in front of you.

But how can you distinguish reality from a dream if the dream is like reality?

That reminds me of an HP Lovecraft story about a guy who could visit other worlds in his dreams and ended up unable to distinguish which world was which, since both seemed equally real to him. Maybe that's a way of looking at indoctrination? When you can no longer distinguish between Reaper thoughts and ideals and your own?

best post i've seen in a while.  what in the end defines reality?  Is everything we see a dream?  Is everything we dream real?    in the case of shepard is it even possible to tell them apart?  We see shepard wake up after the final kid chase dream.....but do we?

This is also a theme that has been discussed in the game itself. Not in the focus of the story, but it is there. Here are a few examples:
ME2 - Thane
ME3 - can't find it right now, but the cut dialogue between Shepard and Ashley about afterlife (not the club!).

[Restrider]

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@RavenEyry: What do you mean?

Text and, as 401 says, clocks do not remain consistent in dreams. Ask any lucid dreamer, it's a common dream sign.

Did you know that matter is mostly empty? Reality is an illusion.

So you are saying I can run right through my wall? Brb, I've got to try this!!

The year was 2743...

Theoretically, if you could neglect the forces produced by the interactions of your particles with the wall's particles and at the same time preserve your system's coherence.

It is possible to pass through a wall without needing to create a hole. It's just highly unlikely.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hello people. Oh look! It's my Wall. Thanks MB.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hello people. Oh look! It's my Wall. Thanks MB.

[DarthSliver]

Arcian wrote...

Oh man, I did NOT expect to see someone rocking my old Prothy the Prothean banners.

i havent found a new one to replace it lol

[Restrider]

Lol, Prothy the Prothean was a fan-creation?
Nice...

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

Lol, Prothy the Prothean was a fan-creation?
Nice...

Sorry, but can anyone remind me what's that?

[BansheeOwnage]

Restrider wrote...

Lol, Prothy the Prothean was a fan-creation?
Nice...

Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Does that mean they used fanfiction in their games? The krogan "quad" was apparently also fanfiction. So they do listen to their fanbase? Interesting considering the never ending complaining about the ending.

[masster blaster]

Okay so now we have 459 members. Cool.

Control thread has still 78 members.

Synthesis thread 27 members now.

puzzle thread has 66 members

WNM thread has 54 members. over all not bad.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 décembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[masster blaster]

lex0r11 wrote...

byne wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

over analyze lately?!?

We should all just stop thinking and let the soothing waves of synthesis flow over us.

*Green goo seeps through the thread*

I laughed my ### off for about 5 minutes:O

[Rankincountry]

DarthSliver wrote...

Ok this is ackward to ask but can someone explain the connection better of the "blue and red pill" and its connection?

I like this theory not because i believe in it but because its the only Theory i read out there that makes the ending make sense. If I read the ending straight as its given to us than its utter crap a choice to the ending of Shepard's story and the Reaper threat makes no sense in my opinion. But than I came to this thread and read the first post and the Original Post by Byne and it all made sense. The choice is testing us to stay true to ourselves and not to given in to the Reapers. The simple way for me to look at it is I went there to destroy them. 

The Red and Blue pills are Neo's first big choice in The Matrix - take the Red pill and the illusion the machines created falls away and Neo pushes on to his destiny as "The One". Take the Blue pill and Neo accepts the illusion as his reality and lives out his life in service to the machines. I think if you need a short analogy for Shepard's final choice, it's a good one. Not to mention the red and blue choices...

[BansheeOwnage]

Rankincountry wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Ok this is ackward to ask but can someone explain the connection better of the "blue and red pill" and its connection?

I like this theory not because i believe in it but because its the only Theory i read out there that makes the ending make sense. If I read the ending straight as its given to us than its utter crap a choice to the ending of Shepard's story and the Reaper threat makes no sense in my opinion. But than I came to this thread and read the first post and the Original Post by Byne and it all made sense. The choice is testing us to stay true to ourselves and not to given in to the Reapers. The simple way for me to look at it is I went there to destroy them. 

The Red and Blue pills are Neo's first big choice in The Matrix - take the Red pill and the illusion the machines created falls away and Neo pushes on to his destiny as "The One". Take the Blue pill and Neo accepts the illusion as his reality and lives out his life in service to the machines. I think if you need a short analogy for Shepard's final choice, it's a good one. Not to mention the red and blue choices...

Agreed. Could even be why they picked those colours for the choices.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 16 décembre 2012 - 10:48 .

[umadcommander]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so now we have 458 members. Cool.

459 now

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so now we have 458 members. Cool.

Quick! Someone has to create an IT-banner (not forum banner, rather than this) so we can all rally under it!
We also need experts in heraldry and vexillology.
Has anyone a suggestions for the heraldic animal? We would need an animal that is considered as thinking outside-the-box...
I propose an owl or fox maybe?

Modifié par Restrider, 16 décembre 2012 - 10:51 .

[masster blaster]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so now we have 459 members. Cool.

Quick! Someone has to create an IT-banner (not forum banner, rather than this) so we can all rally under it!
We also need experts in heraldry and vexillology.
Has anyone a suggestions for the heraldic animal? We would need an animal that is considered as thinking outside-the-box...
I propose an owl or fox maybe?

Athena.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 décembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think they overestimated their fan base

Sadly, i think that is true. But on the other hand i think they were ready for some kind of outcry - given their agressive marketing to new players.  They just didn't expect that THAT many people (and that many of their core fans) would not get it.  

Funny thing is - you can'r argur this. Because with or without IT, most of the fans didn'r "get" the ending.

[BansheeOwnage]

zigamortis wrote...

Since the ending bioware went from my favorite game developer to the blacklist...... Fixing the ending will take them off the list.

Fortunately, there are many, many others like you. It would be a major win for all parties if they did an IT reveal.

[KonguZya]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Lol, Prothy the Prothean was a fan-creation?
Nice...

Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Does that mean they used fanfiction in their games? The krogan "quad" was apparently also fanfiction. So they do listen to their fanbase? Interesting considering the never ending complaining about the ending.

Um, I think not. Garrus talked about krogan having quads in ME1, when talking about Saleon.
Edit: Awkward top.

Modifié par KonguZya, 16 décembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[hukbum]

Restrider wrote...

We would need an animal that is considered as thinking outside-the-box...

The Hamster