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Wasn't there rumored to be a DLC involving alot of exploration of uncharted worlds?

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masster blaster wrote...

You know what if Anderson takes the hit for Shepard. I mean Harbingers beam is coming down on Shepard is Destroy right. Well we speculated that could be the case, but what if Anderson pushes Shepard out of the way?

I personally don't think that Anderson pushes you out of the way. I think that Harbinger prepares to fire upon Shepard in Destroy once you break the Hallucination, but the War Assets (if you have enough) occupy Harbinger so that Anderson can pick Shepard out of the Rubble.

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401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know what if Anderson takes the hit for Shepard. I mean Harbingers beam is coming down on Shepard is Destroy right. Well we speculated that could be the case, but what if Anderson pushes Shepard out of the way?

I personally don't think that Anderson pushes you out of the way. I think that Harbinger prepares to fire upon Shepard in Destroy once you break the Hallucination, but the War Assets (if you have enough) occupy Harbinger so that Anderson can pick Shepard out of the Rubble.

Only actual use for War Assests really. Other than a measure of Shepard's willpower.

Edit: Idea. In Low EMS Anderson would take the shot for you, but not in high EMS.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:14 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

A House Divided...

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But don't you know that Synthesis is all kittens and rainbows? :wizard:

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I like the idea someone posted a while back about splitting up every surviving squad-mate from ME 2 and 3 and being able to play as various other squad-mates in the final battles.

Me playing as Tali....

My life would finally be complete.:wub::wub:

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401 Kill wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I like the idea someone posted a while back about splitting up every surviving squad-mate from ME 2 and 3 and being able to play as various other squad-mates in the final battles.

Me playing as Tali....

My life would finally be complete.:wub::wub:

That's actually such an awesome idea that if Bioware are reading this I bet they're all facepalming because they didn't think of it. Unless they did...

But yeah, I think that would be awesome! All the powers are already there.

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401 Kill wrote...
Me playing as Tali....

My life would finally be complete.:wub::wub:


I always thought I was playing as Tali during the multiplayer with my Quarian Infiltrator. Least how I saw it.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know what if Anderson takes the hit for Shepard. I mean Harbingers beam is coming down on Shepard is Destroy right. Well we speculated that could be the case, but what if Anderson pushes Shepard out of the way?

I personally don't think that Anderson pushes you out of the way. I think that Harbinger prepares to fire upon Shepard in Destroy once you break the Hallucination, but the War Assets (if you have enough) occupy Harbinger so that Anderson can pick Shepard out of the Rubble.

Only actual use for War Assests really. Other than a measure of Shepard's willpower.

Edit: Idea. In Low EMS Anderson would take the shot for you, but not in high EMS.

What about Anderson taking the shot for you when you shoot Anderson?

Also I had a post for you on the last page, 2nd to last on the bottom...

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magnetite wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
Me playing as Tali....

My life would finally be complete.:wub::wub:


I always thought I was playing as Tali during the multiplayer with my Quarian Infiltrator. Least how I saw it.

Nah, that's just Lia'Vael, the Quarian who was accused of stealing that Volus' credit chit.

Another reason not to play with Volus!:D

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I like the idea someone posted a while back about splitting up every surviving squad-mate from ME 2 and 3 and being able to play as various other squad-mates in the final battles.

Me playing as Tali....

My life would finally be complete.:wub::wub:

That's actually such an awesome idea that if Bioware are reading this I bet they're all facepalming because they didn't think of it. Unless they did...

But yeah, I think that would be awesome! All the powers are already there.


Indeed, even if its only a small selection of characters you can control.  Even if its only Wrex/Anderson/Geth Prime or another of the allied leaders as they lead their troops in for the rescue.

But it would be better if you got a full on Suicide Mission style sequence, complete with multiple split paths, characters, dozens of choices and outcomes...

Sorry, dreaming.  But having Wrex leading the vanguard assault, Garrus commanding a sniper team, Liara coordinating Biotic Artillery...  Yes please.

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401 Kill wrote...

Its ok. I bought Skyrim again!!!

We actually havent played in a while! We should play soon. But I can't tonight...

Don't worry! We will sometime soon!

@Andromidius Playing... as a Geth Prime!????!?!?!!???!!?

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See you later.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Its ok. I bought Skyrim again!!!

We actually havent played in a while! We should play soon. But I can't tonight...

Don't worry! We will sometime soon!

@Andromidius Playing... as a Geth Prime!????!?!?!!???!!?

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Too...
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See you later.


A dream come true.

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Bioware will use IT. I hope

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garrusfan1 wrote...

Bioware will use IT. I hope

Im sure they will:D. We still have the DLC cycle, and two DLC's we know nothing about. It's foreshadowed countless times, and they've pulled endings on us like this before!

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401 Kill wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Bioware will use IT. I hope

Im sure they will:D. We still have the DLC cycle, and two DLC's we know nothing about. It's foreshadowed countless times, and they've pulled endings on us like this before!

I love how someone was actually positive about IT and wasn't a complete a**. If that was sarcasm disregard my statement

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I like the idea someone posted a while back about splitting up every surviving squad-mate from ME 2 and 3 and being able to play as various other squad-mates in the final battles.

Like in the final battle inDragon Age: Origins? I might very well like to see that with Mass Effect characters.

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garrusfan1 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Bioware will use IT. I hope

Im sure they will:D. We still have the DLC cycle, and two DLC's we know nothing about. It's foreshadowed countless times, and they've pulled endings on us like this before!

I love how someone was actually positive about IT and wasn't a complete a**. If that was sarcasm disregard my statement

No, no. It was not sarcasm.

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Whoa! I replayed Shadow Broker's ending a few times to check out different dialog routes and dumping Liara was so mean. + choosing all Renegade or Neutral answers (sometimes Renegade or Paragon is not available) makes Shepard sound frustrated and completely depressed. And that scene at the end when he sits by the table. Liara leaves sad and the scene fades to black showing Shepard looking at 2 still-full glasses of wine.

There was also a powerful moment when he revealed to Liara that Horizon was a setup, that Cerberus lured the Collectors there. But it seemed that Liara already knew it.

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paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I replayed Shadow Broker's ending a few times to check out different dialog routes and dumping Liara was so mean. + choosing all Renegade or Neutral answers (sometimes Renegade or Paragon is not available) makes Shepard sound frustrated and completely depressed. And that scene at the end when he sits by the table. Liara leaves sad and the scene fades to black showing Shepard looking at 2 still-full glasses of wine.

There was also a powerful moment when he revealed to Liara that Horizon was a setup, that Cerberus lured the Collectors there. But it seemed that Liara already knew it.


 As a shadow broker, Liara seems to be one of the worst. I find it unlikely she knew about it...

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paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I replayed Shadow Broker's ending a few times to check out different dialog routes and dumping Liara was so mean. + choosing all Renegade or Neutral answers (sometimes Renegade or Paragon is not available) makes Shepard sound frustrated and completely depressed. And that scene at the end when he sits by the table. Liara leaves sad and the scene fades to black showing Shepard looking at 2 still-full glasses of wine.

There was also a powerful moment when he revealed to Liara that Horizon was a setup, that Cerberus lured the Collectors there. But it seemed that Liara already knew it.

Not a lot of action on the thread now and I have to go but I will say this:

I bet Liara... Sorry, I lost my train of thought... I apologize... Maybe she could have known about Cerberus intentions/trickery on Shepard but never told him?

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Bioware will use IT. I hope


It's odd. Here's what happened with me:

1. Started playing ME3.
2. Heard, through the grapevine, that the ending was mega-suck.
3. Finished ME3. Didn't mind the ending, but didn't get all the hate. Felt that Destroy was the 'right' option.
4. Read about IT. Was blown away by the complexity and beauty of it. 
5. Obsessed over IT- spending many happy hours in this forum. Felt that if the ending dlc revealed that IT was real, it would be one of the most amazing moments in gaming history.
6. Heard that IT was not revealed in the extended ending DLC. Was devastated.
7. Played the extended ending DLC. Was underwhelmed, but interested by the additional clues they added that seemed to point towards IT (Harbinger saying: "Join us." and so forth)
8. Spent some time away from ME and just tried not to think of it.

I've now come to sort of a new place in my mind, just recently, when I realized that ME3 was still my GOTY, eventhough having my hopes dashed for IT was a real blow to me, personally. But I still love the game, and I think my devastation over IT just supports how involved I got with it. But I've come to a new place regarding IT, which is that I think both interpretations are meant to be valid. I think they've constructed in like Blade Runner, or Inception, or Total Recall, or the Matrix- there is not meant to be one 'true' answer. It's meant to be open to your own interpretation. I choose to believe IT is correct. That doesn't mean it is correct, that doesn't mean anyone else is 'wrong' to think it is not correct. But I think it's a valid interpretation and I stand by it as my personal belief in how the series ended. 

I don't really see the point of playing the Leviathan or Omega DLCs. I know how the story ends, and they won't change that. If there is evidence inside these DLCs that support IT I would love to be pointed to a summary of it, but I am just not interested in playing 'backstory'.

I'm not foolish enough to hope against hope that they might release some kind of DLC which 'lifts the veil' and confirms the theory. But it would be amazing if that did happen.

Until then... I'll keep believing in IT.

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Destructo honestly I doubt they will make it but I hope they will. But I do believe the breath scene NEEDS more to be added to it like a reunion

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TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I replayed Shadow Broker's ending a few times to check out different dialog routes and dumping Liara was so mean. + choosing all Renegade or Neutral answers (sometimes Renegade or Paragon is not available) makes Shepard sound frustrated and completely depressed. And that scene at the end when he sits by the table. Liara leaves sad and the scene fades to black showing Shepard looking at 2 still-full glasses of wine.

There was also a powerful moment when he revealed to Liara that Horizon was a setup, that Cerberus lured the Collectors there. But it seemed that Liara already knew it.


 As a shadow broker, Liara seems to be one of the worst. I find it unlikely she knew about it...

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Well, her face expression before Shepard told her about the setup was telling. As for ME3, well, either that was a necessity from a storytelling POV to constrain her knowledge or she seriously manipulated everyone. But if Cerberus managed to steal Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker, they must've had a very good techniques to hide information.

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Destructorlio wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Bioware will use IT. I hope

*snip*
Until then... I'll keep believing in IT.


Well said. Much of what you have said, I feel the same way. It went for me like this:

- Before release, was highly excited for the game. Me being the spoil craver that I am, couldn't wait till I could afford to buy the game and had to get all the details on how it ended.
- From reading how it ended it made sense to me. 3 different endings (sorta expected that), that on paper were radically different from each other, and was all caused by some super weapon called the Crucible. My thoughts: "Hmmm...okay."
- So I finally buy the game and start playing. Remember I have only read the details, and not seen actual gameplay.
- Finally get to meet the Catalyst, and was expecting some awesome AI. Was quite disappointed. (Also a bit confused on why it was the child) 
- Go on to choose Destroy and finish the game. 
- I eventually go online to see the other endings and was enraged/confused/disappointed that they were all practically the same cinematics. 
- I soon find out about IT, and was totally mindblown as things/details finally came together in my mind.

 Then from there it's pretty much how it was for you. Spent tons of time here, was excited for EC, etc...

Still believe in IT to be true. No doubt. There is no other explaination.
(Other than WNT...:whistle:) +10 points for shameless promotion. ;) +100 points for intentionally posting at top of page.

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Well nobody can argue that Liara is a terriable shadow broker. Really she is. The only good thing that I got from her being the shadow broker was her wet squad, and another squad. And Jack's real name Other than that her shadow broker skills are pretty much done.

I mean she didn't know about the female Krogan.
Nor Cerberus was planning a coup.
The kilo nuke on Tuchanka.
And more. Heck the old shadow Broker did a better job, as does Cerberus.