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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Guys/ Gals I thought about something just right now.

TIM data on the Crucible right, and had EVE erase the old file on the crucible. TIM does not build his own Crucible why? Does he not want to Control the Reapers, so wouldn't he build his own? Yet no he doesn't. Then he goes to Thessia already knowing that theire is a Prothean beacon on Thessia. Well not about the beacon, but information on the Crucible at least.

Then it seems that TIM is going to use our Crucible we built to stop the Reapers. Yet TIM was being Controlled by the Reapers so we are told by Star Brat. So I wonder why didn't TIM try to take out the crucible, like Javik's Prothean Cerberus like splinter group that wanted to Control the Reapers.

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And with that I am going to bed, so night.

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So, I was thinking about a video masster posted earlier. Mac told his interviewer that the Bioware team was looking at statistics about how many people chose to go the Paragon path as opposed to Renegade. He said that 85% of players chose Paragon... if the Bioware team was aware of this, do you think that they tried to play on that bias with the color scheme of the decision chamber. To trick the most people into choosing an indoc ending?

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TheConstantOne wrote...

So, I was thinking about a video masster posted earlier. Mac told his interviewer that the Bioware team was looking at statistics about how many people chose to go the Paragon path as opposed to Renegade. He said that 85% of players chose Paragon... if the Bioware team was aware of this, do you think that they tried to play on that bias with the color scheme of the decision chamber. To trick the most people into choosing an indoc ending?


I think they deffinitly would and did. And Omega DLC kinda proves it - the Introduced a negative example of blind extrenely naive paragon. 

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demersel wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So, I was thinking about a video masster posted earlier. Mac told his interviewer that the Bioware team was looking at statistics about how many people chose to go the Paragon path as opposed to Renegade. He said that 85% of players chose Paragon... if the Bioware team was aware of this, do you think that they tried to play on that bias with the color scheme of the decision chamber. To trick the most people into choosing an indoc ending?


I think they deffinitly would and did. And Omega DLC kinda proves it - the Introduced a negative example of blind extrenely naive paragon. 


Considering I played mostly Renegade in Omega, enlighten me as to what that Paragon 'bad choice' was?

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Andromidius wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So, I was thinking about a video masster posted earlier. Mac told his interviewer that the Bioware team was looking at statistics about how many people chose to go the Paragon path as opposed to Renegade. He said that 85% of players chose Paragon... if the Bioware team was aware of this, do you think that they tried to play on that bias with the color scheme of the decision chamber. To trick the most people into choosing an indoc ending?


I think they deffinitly would and did. And Omega DLC kinda proves it - the Introduced a negative example of blind extrenely naive paragon. 


Considering I played mostly Renegade in Omega, enlighten me as to what that Paragon 'bad choice' was?

Not to put words in dem's mouth, but I believe he is referring to Nyreen since we were talking about this in an MP match. That's my view as well.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 17 décembre 2012 - 05:39 .


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Andromidius wrote...

Considering I played mostly Renegade in Omega, enlighten me as to what that Paragon 'bad choice' was?


So did I - and mostly because i felt that all of nyreen points were preachy, naive and really not at all relevant to the situation at hand. 

And there is the fact that she dies regardless of your actions - her way of thinking gets her killed pointlessly. 

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Big_Boss9 wrote...
Not to put words in dem's mouth, but I believe he is referring to Nyreen since we were talking about this in an MP match. That's my view as well.


Oh right, thought he ment a choice Shep could make.

Yeah, Nyreen is Lawful Stupid encarnate.

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Andromidius wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...
Not to put words in dem's mouth, but I believe he is referring to Nyreen since we were talking about this in an MP match. That's my view as well.


Oh right, thought he ment a choice Shep could make.

Yeah, Nyreen is Lawful Stupid encarnate.

Total disappointment.

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99.9% of problems with me3 would be solved/answered by one thing in a dlc.

wake up shepard.

to leave him there taking his breath in the rubble is confirming IT in a way. why leave it there if everything is legit?

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 Hey. Remember this trailer? You know before the game came out. The song that begins about :50, why was that never in the actual game. It gave the trailer a sense of epicness that would of been great to have in London. 

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Piling on because it's never enough
Reason 487 why synthesis sucks:
Monsanto wins

Also, because this cannot be overstated
Reason number 6:
Circuitry on hats.

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5 statements:

1. Bioware has written a series that is 99% fantastic
2. The endings are shockingly idiotic and laughingly ridiculous,
3. Indoctrination is part of the core framework of Mass Effect and the codex describes symptoms Shepard visibly experiences throughout ME3.
4. Bioware's first ME3 dlc confirmed that Shepard can be induced into a hallucination using much of his own memories.
5. Bioware has a history of twist endings

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TJBartlemus wrote...

 Hey. Remember this trailer? You know before the game came out. The song that begins about :50, why was that never in the actual game. It gave the trailer a sense of epicness that would of been great to have in London. 


Because it’s not a song that Bioware made but one they licensed. The song is rater aptly named Protectors of the Earth and it’s by Two Steps From Hell, the music team behind the awesome Heart of courage song used in the ME2 trailer.

BW also used other TSFH songs in the ME3 trailers. In the cinematic trailer they used the songs After The Fall and Black Blade.

Modifié par FFZero, 17 décembre 2012 - 07:38 .


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FFZero wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Hey. Remember this trailer? You know before the game came out. The song that begins about :50, why was that never in the actual game. It gave the trailer a sense of epicness that would of been great to have in London. 


Because it’s not a song that Bioware made but one they licensed. The song is rater aptly named Protectors of the Earth and it’s by Two Steps From Hell, the music team behind the awesome Heart of courage song used in the ME2 trailer.

BW also used other TSFH songs in the ME3 trailers. In the cinematic trailer they used the songs After The Fall and Black Blade.

Yes. Almost all of the ME trailers use them actually. Take Earth Back trailer had 2: After the Fall and Black Blade. There are others, like The Last Stand from the Earth MP trailer. Epic.

Edit: Wow, I should read what I'm quoting to make sure I don't get ninja'd by edits...

Good to see you FFZero. Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 17 décembre 2012 - 07:41 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

5 statements:

1. Bioware has written a series that is 99% fantastic
2. The endings are shockingly idiotic and laughingly ridiculous,
3. Indoctrination is part of the core framework of Mass Effect and the codex describes symptoms Shepard visibly experiences throughout ME3.
4. Bioware's first ME3 dlc confirmed that Shepard can be induced into a hallucination using much of his own memories.
5. Bioware has a history of twist endings

5  simple and correct statements. Very suggestive. Well played. Goodnight IT thread. Posted Image

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They also use archangel and love loss. Can't remember the archangel trailer title but love loss was the war begins I think

night banshee

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 17 décembre 2012 - 07:48 .


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masster blaster wrote...

Well nobody can argue that Liara is a terriable shadow broker. Really she is. The only good thing that I got from her being the shadow broker was her wet squad, and another squad. And Jack's real name Other than that her shadow broker skills are pretty much done.

I mean she didn't know about the female Krogan.
Nor Cerberus was planning a coup.
The kilo nuke on Tuchanka.
And more. Heck the old shadow Broker did a better job, as does Cerberus.


With the Reaper arrival her entire network of information agents is pretty much shattered as is shown by a scene where she is promoting other agents to fill out spots which have been lost. It is very hard to be an information broker in Galaxy under attack by an enemy who destroys everything and everyone they come across.

Especially the Cerberus part she practically had no chance of knowing, Shadowbroker or not. With TIM having outfitted just about everyone in his organization with those implant getting a mole in there, yet alone one high enough to actually know would be nigh impossible.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well nobody can argue that Liara is a terriable shadow broker. Really she is. The only good thing that I got from her being the shadow broker was her wet squad, and another squad. And Jack's real name Other than that her shadow broker skills are pretty much done.

I mean she didn't know about the female Krogan.
Nor Cerberus was planning a coup.
The kilo nuke on Tuchanka.
And more. Heck the old shadow Broker did a better job, as does Cerberus.


With the Reaper arrival her entire network of information agents is pretty much shattered as is shown by a scene where she is promoting other agents to fill out spots which have been lost. It is very hard to be an information broker in Galaxy under attack by an enemy who destroys everything and everyone they come across.

Especially the Cerberus part she practically had no chance of knowing, Shadowbroker or not. With TIM having outfitted just about everyone in his organization with those implant getting a mole in there, yet alone one high enough to actually know would be nigh impossible.


I still say Gylph is a Reaper... thingie.  I'll just wait here while some IT'ers hilariously misunderstand the theory by calling it "Glyph is evil" before they rag on literalists for doing the same with IT calling it "all a dream."

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Rifneno wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well nobody can argue that Liara is a terriable shadow broker. Really she is. The only good thing that I got from her being the shadow broker was her wet squad, and another squad. And Jack's real name Other than that her shadow broker skills are pretty much done.

I mean she didn't know about the female Krogan.
Nor Cerberus was planning a coup.
The kilo nuke on Tuchanka.
And more. Heck the old shadow Broker did a better job, as does Cerberus.


With the Reaper arrival her entire network of information agents is pretty much shattered as is shown by a scene where she is promoting other agents to fill out spots which have been lost. It is very hard to be an information broker in Galaxy under attack by an enemy who destroys everything and everyone they come across.

Especially the Cerberus part she practically had no chance of knowing, Shadowbroker or not. With TIM having outfitted just about everyone in his organization with those implant getting a mole in there, yet alone one high enough to actually know would be nigh impossible.


I still say Gylph is a Reaper... thingie.  I'll just wait here while some IT'ers hilariously misunderstand the theory by calling it "Glyph is evil" before they rag on literalists for doing the same with IT calling it "all a dream."

I still like to think about it. Glyph as a big evil saying "have a pleasant day" all the time, the future guide in refuse, the one who says "here you go, implant reapertech".

Even if not true, it's fun to think about it :D



Something diffrent:
That husk-head, why did BW add an option for picking it up or leave it?
As far as I know it's the first time in ME they did something like that ...

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hukbum wrote...

I still like to think about it. Glyph as a big evil saying "have a pleasant day" all the time, the future guide in refuse, the one who says "here you go, implant reapertech".

Even if not true, it's fun to think about it :D



Something diffrent:
That husk-head, why did BW add an option for picking it up or leave it?
As far as I know it's the first time in ME they did something like that ...


I never remember to pick up the husk head.

I see Glyph as more like the Keepers.  I very much doubt it's even sentient.

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Because not everyone would enjoy such a monstrosity in their cabin? Not that I didn't get him, it's just some nights- I just wish he would stfu sometimes.

Also glyph= the intelligence is retarded for many reasons
Glyph= Reaper tool/spy merits consideration

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Because not everyone would enjoy such a monstrosity in their cabin? Not that I didn't get him, it's just some nights- I just wish he would stfu sometimes.

Also glyph= the intelligence is retarded for many reasons
Glyph= Reaper tool/spy merits consideration


What.  Who said glyph might be the intelligence?!

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Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Because not everyone would enjoy such a monstrosity in their cabin? Not that I didn't get him, it's just some nights- I just wish he would stfu sometimes.

Also glyph= the intelligence is retarded for many reasons
Glyph= Reaper tool/spy merits consideration


What.  Who said glyph might be the intelligence?!


One guess.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Because not everyone would enjoy such a monstrosity in their cabin? Not that I didn't get him, it's just some nights- I just wish he would stfu sometimes.

Also glyph= the intelligence is retarded for many reasons
Glyph= Reaper tool/spy merits consideration


What.  Who said glyph might be the intelligence?!


One guess.


I'd say Hellish, but he thinks ME3 in its entirety never happened so... :?