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[spotlessvoid]

Here's a hint: It wasn't the ocean

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Here's a hint: It wasn't the ocean

<sigh>  Sometimes I think he's elaborately trolling us.

[spotlessvoid]

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Here's a hint: It wasn't the ocean

<sigh>  Sometimes I think he's elaborately trolling us.

Lol, nah he's a good guy. Just lets his imagination run wild occasionally. I thought MB was trolling at first, but that kid has the heart of a champion.

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

5 statements:

1. Bioware has written a series that is 99% fantastic
2. The endings are shockingly idiotic and laughingly ridiculous,
3. Indoctrination is part of the core framework of Mass Effect and the codex describes symptoms Shepard visibly experiences throughout ME3.
4. Bioware's first ME3 dlc confirmed that Shepard can be induced into a hallucination using much of his own memories.
5. Bioware has a history of twist endings

*saves a copy of the list*

This should really go on page 1.

[spotlessvoid]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

5 statements:

1. Bioware has written a series that is 99% fantastic
2. The endings are shockingly idiotic and laughingly ridiculous,
3. Indoctrination is part of the core framework of Mass Effect and the codex describes symptoms Shepard visibly experiences throughout ME3.
4. Bioware's first ME3 dlc confirmed that Shepard can be induced into a hallucination using much of his own memories.
5. Bioware has a history of twist endings

*saves a copy of the list*

This should really go on page 1.

I think 1. may be too much of an opinion.
Maybe something more like "Bioware has written a series that excluding the ending has been widely acclaimed by fans and critics alike "

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

5 statements:

1. Bioware has written a series that is 99% fantastic
2. The endings are shockingly idiotic and laughingly ridiculous,
3. Indoctrination is part of the core framework of Mass Effect and the codex describes symptoms Shepard visibly experiences throughout ME3.
4. Bioware's first ME3 dlc confirmed that Shepard can be induced into a hallucination using much of his own memories.
5. Bioware has a history of twist endings

*saves a copy of the list*

This should really go on page 1.

I think 1. may be too much of an opinion.
Maybe something more like "Bioware has written a series that excluding the ending has been widely acclaimed by fans and critics alike "

Sure, but having a nice, short, to the point list is what I was getting at.

[RavenEyry]

I agree point one is debatable but something similar should be said. The other four points a perfect.

[spotlessvoid]

It's just so hard for me to fathom that Bioware thought
"Ok, we have a true Hollywood legend and some of the most terrifying monsters ever created as villains. Lets make Mass Effect 3 all about some random kid"

[dorktainian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

5 statements:

1. Bioware has written a series that is 90% fantastic
2. The endings are shockingly idiotic and laughingly ridiculous,
3. Indoctrination is part of the core framework of Mass Effect and the codex describes symptoms Shepard visibly experiences throughout ME3.
4. Bioware's first ME3 dlc confirmed that Shepard can be induced into a hallucination using much of his own memories.
5. Bioware has a history of twist endings

*saves a copy of the list*

This should really go on page 1.

I think 1. may be too much of an opinion.
Maybe something more like "Bioware has written a series that excluding the ending has been widely acclaimed by fans and critics alike "

Sure, but having a nice, short, to the point list is what I was getting at.

i fixed 1.  the glaring errors in ME3 coupled with some pretty bad game design flaws and the fact that actually the RPG element of the series all but vanished and shep was reduced to a side character with the fetch quests + the completely brain numbing EMS system..... actually i'd downgrade that to 80% but i'm feeling generous.

[RavenEyry]

Agreed. The infamous cry for speculations can only mean one of two things:
1.They couldn't be bothered to make something cohesive or satisfying so said "Screw it, lets just cobble random crap together and hope people make sense of it for us"
or more likely
2. Something similar to IT. I'm not saying classical IT is necessarily where the rabbit hole goes, just that there is one.

[spotlessvoid]

This is strictly about narrative dork
If each game is 33% and the ending was 1%:
ME1 is 33% and to hell with you if you disagree
ME2 is 33% due to game plus it's DLC
ME3 is 28% excluding any scenes with the kid

Personally, I'd make a number up and say 93%. It's not Tolstoy, but for a video game it's one of the most consistently incredibly well written series ever. IT plus some form of reveal just makes it "we indoctrinated your asses, son" kinds of crazy

And like Raven said, it doesn't have to be IT, just something along those lines

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 17 décembre 2012 - 09:07 .

[dorktainian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

This is strictly about narrative dork
If each game is 33% and the ending was 1%:
ME1 is 33% and to hell with you if you disagree
ME2 is 33% due to game plus it's DLC
ME3 is 28% excluding any scenes with the kid

Personally, I'd make a number up and say 93%. It's not Tolstoy, but for a video game it's one of the most consistently incredibly well written series ever. IT plus some form of reveal just makes it "we indoctrinated your asses, son" kinds of crazy

 
hehe                                   

reading some of the posts on these threads, i'm also sure that included within the IT should be something along the lines of ''and bioware created various accounts on it's own site to drip feed information and to continuously troll its members until they were at each others throats, and at a pre-specified time, and after some serious money has been raked in throough dlc,  the real ending can be revealed and bioware made to look like gaming genious's''.  of course doing something like that can also backfire spectacularly.

[MassEffecter132]

It's a well thought out theory for sure, so major respect for that. But doesn't this seem like grasping at straws? Doesn't EC expanding on the crap ending make IT less likely?

[RavenEyry]

MassEffecter132 wrote...

It's a well thought out theory for sure, so major respect for that. But doesn't this seem like grasping at straws? Doesn't EC expanding on the crap ending make IT less likely?

Then why didn't it remove any of the major IT things?

[MassEffecter132]

RavenEyry wrote...

MassEffecter132 wrote...

It's a well thought out theory for sure, so major respect for that. But doesn't this seem like grasping at straws? Doesn't EC expanding on the crap ending make IT less likely?

Then why didn't it remove any of the major IT things?

But by expanding on the given, doesn't it prove that IT isn't what they wanted. 
Someone on this thread said it best, they wanted to keep the endings as open as possible without there being "one right" ending. 

[RavenEyry]

MassEffecter132 wrote...

But by expanding on the given, doesn't it prove that IT isn't what they wanted. 
Someone on this thread said it best, they wanted to keep the endings as open as possible without there being "one right" ending. 

If they want the endings as open as possible why would they not want this alternate interpretation? You condradicted yourself there.

[Fur28]

MassEffecter132 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

MassEffecter132 wrote...

It's a well thought out theory for sure, so major respect for that. But doesn't this seem like grasping at straws? Doesn't EC expanding on the crap ending make IT less likely?

Then why didn't it remove any of the major IT things?

But by expanding on the given, doesn't it prove that IT isn't what they wanted. 
Someone on this thread said it best, they wanted to keep the endings as open as possible without there being "one right" ending. 

i cant remember in wich thread i saw this but there was a recent interview with SuperMac, and he talked about the possibility of using save files from ME3 in ME4, so its possible Bioware may decide on "one right" ending, since the 3 LIteral ones are way different between them

[MassEffecter132]

Open as possible so that it can be interpreted in more ways than one :/

[MassEffecter132]

Keeping a save from 360/ps3 to next gen doesn't seem ideal for console users. It may have to be just an in game choice in ME4

[RavenEyry]

MassEffecter132 wrote...

Open as possible so that it can be interpreted in more ways than one :/

...so why wouldn't they want IT? It's an interpretation.

[spotlessvoid]

I think Bioware's single biggest miscalculation was thinking that making the face value ending so patently absurd would make enough fans question it's legitimacy that they would speculate on what it really meant, not rage incessantly about how patently absurd the face value ending was.

Hence, begrudgingly, the EC was born. Why blow the reveal with a **** slide show when you can just go with jingling a poorly made bell to sooth the beast while you secretly work on your glorious redemption?

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 17 décembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MassEffecter132 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

MassEffecter132 wrote...

It's a well thought out theory for sure, so major respect for that. But doesn't this seem like grasping at straws? Doesn't EC expanding on the crap ending make IT less likely?

Then why didn't it remove any of the major IT things?

But by expanding on the given, doesn't it prove that IT isn't what they wanted. 
Someone on this thread said it best, they wanted to keep the endings as open as possible without there being "one right" ending. 

Problem is they cant expand upon an open ending and they have stated they want to continue in the mass Effect universe.

In that regard preqeuls are hard to do because we know how it is going to end almost no matter what events they decide to depict and a sequel would have to take a cannon stand on the endings because they are way to diverse to allow any sort of continuation which takes all endings into consideration.

But even beyond that how much work really went into the EC? Bioware claims it was three months of hard work, but i dont see 3 months of work in what we got. The (horrendrous) evac scene, expanded dialogue with Catalyst and a slideshow, does that look like 3 months of work?

Remember the forums and the gaming community in general was in an uproar following the original ending, EC quited it down.

But there is some really weird stuff in the ending anyway.

You can get the scene of the Normandy taking of from that planet it was stranded on (every wondered what planet it is by the way? I dont recall any habitable class A planets within easy FTL distance of Earth, one would think that would be a pretty important location) and yet not a single slide in the following slideshow shows what happened to your squad.

Despite the EC everything is still so vague and even the Breath scene, one of the most ludicrously impossible scene of them all in a litteral perspective, remained.

[dorktainian]

MassEffecter132 wrote...

Open as possible so that it can be interpreted in more ways than one :/

you do know bioware themselves have said IT is as valid an interpretation as anything else dont you?

[MassEffecter132]

So you guys think that they will expand on the IT with DLC?

[MassEffecter132]

dorktainian wrote...

MassEffecter132 wrote...

Open as possible so that it can be interpreted in more ways than one :/

you do know bioware themselves have said IT is as valid an interpretation as anything else dont you?

i actually didn't :S