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[Xd2delo]

On a related note; how much would it suck if, in any IT DLC, your success depends on whether or not you satisfied that side quest back in ME1 to scan all the keepers on the Citadel? Like, to determine whether or not you can get them to open the Citadel for you?

[Andromidius]

Xd2delo wrote...

I think the bigger question is, why not just TURN OFF THE BEAM.  I mean, seriously.  They obviously control the beam, and they become aware there is a major offensive heading towards it, so, y'know, why not just... turn it off?  

Or have it lead directly into a vat where bodies are dissolved.  Or even defend the Citadel with any troops at all.

[Big_Boss9]

MWMike2011 wrote...

Nothing new, I take it?

Not especially. Paragon Lost is available to U.S. folks via PSN/XBL/iTunes. It was meh/ok.

[Andromidius]

Eryri wrote...

I do remember a line from James while on Palaven's moon, refering to the Sovereign class reapers surrounding them. He said he'd seen even bigger ones back on Earth. Even though all the Reaper dreadnoughts in ME3 have the same basic design, maybe some are larger overall than others? 

Either that or he's bragging about something stupid.  Or they look taller due to the lack of anything to compare them to, perspective playing tricks on his mind.

Anyway.  I think it might make sense for Reapers to be filled with gloop.  Might explain why the Derelict was crippled - maybe it was hit hard and leeked, which caused most its its systems to shut down?

[Eryri]

Krimzie wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
All I know is that...

Anderson born in London.
Traynors parents born in London.
Coats was in London while Earth was under attack/ trapped in Big Ben.
UK headquarters is taken out/ trys to contact the commity.

I always wonder about this too, MB. What's with the London overkill? I mean, who doesn't love London, but to have Anderson born in London, then a new character from London, and a promotional character fighting in London, and have the first downed HQ be the UK... is it "bad writing" or what? Vancouver's the Alliance capital, there's a whole unused Rio aspect from MP... I dunno. Besides the fact that I'd have loved to see Reapers on the Great Wall or the headless Statue of Liberty, I can't help but think there's something up with the London deal. And it could be a War of the Worlds allusion, and that's it, but still.

Anyway. Hi thread! I'm on break now so I just powered through Portal for the first time and I LOVE IT SO MUCH... now I gotta get through 2 and finally beat Infamous. Woot!

And yet they don't take advantage of London's landmarks to add atmosphere to the game, apart from the cinematic of Big Ben (the Elizabeth tower for pedants) getting destroyed, or not, by multicoloured magic. You'd think they'd make more use of the setting during the gameplay sections, rather than just use grey, anonymous streets that could be almost anywhere.

You're probably right about the War of the Worlds allusion though.

I'm quite a big fan of the infamous games. There's something just so satisfying about having lightning as a superpower. Plus the morality system has the same colours as ME

Modifié par Eryri, 18 décembre 2012 - 04:59 .

[masster blaster]

Krimzie wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
All I know is that...

Anderson born in London.
Traynors parents born in London.
Coats was in London while Earth was under attack/ trapped in Big Ben.
UK headquarters is taken out/ trys to contact the commity.

I always wonder about this too, MB. What's with the London overkill? I mean, who doesn't love London, but to have Anderson born in London, then a new character from London, and a promotional character fighting in London, and have the first downed HQ be the UK... is it "bad writing" or what? Vancouver's the Alliance capital, there's a whole unused Rio aspect from MP... I dunno. Besides the fact that I'd have loved to see Reapers on the Great Wall or the headless Statue of Liberty, I can't help but think there's something up with the London deal. And it could be a War of the Worlds allusion, and that's it, but still.

Anyway. Hi thread! I'm on break now so I just powered through Portal for the first time and I LOVE IT SO MUCH... now I gotta get through 2 and finally beat Infamous. Woot!

Not a clue, but unless the Reapers know Anderson was born in London, then ya that would confirm your's, and mine suspicouns, but alas no they don't, although it's possible that the Indoctrinated agaents in the Alliance gave the Reapers Andersons profile, and from their the stage was set. I say this because Reapers know who is in charge/ who to take out.

Cerberus takes out council.
Reapers take out the Primearc of Palavin.
Cerberus takes out the only chance for the Krogan to have a future.
Cerberus, and the Reapers so happen to run into our former crew mebers/ squad members, and try to kill them/ huskify them/ turn them into Cerberus troops.

[Krimzie]

Eryri wrote...

Krimzie wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
All I know is that...

Anderson born in London.
Traynors parents born in London.
Coats was in London while Earth was under attack/ trapped in Big Ben.
UK headquarters is taken out/ trys to contact the commity.

I always wonder about this too, MB. What's with the London overkill? I mean, who doesn't love London, but to have Anderson born in London, then a new character from London, and a promotional character fighting in London, and have the first downed HQ be the UK... is it "bad writing" or what? Vancouver's the Alliance capital, there's a whole unused Rio aspect from MP... I dunno. Besides the fact that I'd have loved to see Reapers on the Great Wall or the headless Statue of Liberty, I can't help but think there's something up with the London deal. And it could be a War of the Worlds allusion, and that's it, but still.

And yet they don't take advantage of London's landmarks to add atmosphere to the game, apart from the cinematic of Big Ben (the Elizabeth tower for pedants) getting destroyed, or not, by multicoloured magic. You'd think they'd make more use of the setting during the gameplay sections, rather than just use grey, anonymous streets that could be almost anywhere.

You're probably right about the War of the Worlds allusion though.

Agreed. It's so bland. We've got some red telephone booths and some benches and -- wait. Benches?  Heh.

Oh, and I haven't read WotW yet (just ordered it!), so I can't take credit for that... it was someone here a few days ago, forget who. Meh!

Modifié par Krimzie, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[Andromidius]

"Looks like they died trying to claw their way out."

Uh, no Kaiden. Otherwise they'd all be by the door, not scattered all over the room.

[Eryri]

Krimzie wrote...

Oh, and I haven't read WotW yet (just ordered it!), so I can take credit for that... it was someone here a few days ago, forget who. Meh!

 I think I remember RavenEyry talking about it. I dimly remember reading WotW years ago - partly for curiosity as HG Wells went to the same Uni as I did - Imperial College. Now there's a story with a dodgy ending. Germs save the world? These hyper-advanced martians have never heard of penicillin?

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

Remember a while back we had a brief discussion as to why Cerberus is using the Mattock as its standard weapon, despite it being an 'old' model weapon?

Well. Probably because it was proven in battle by Shepard. And because Cerberus gained a huge stockpile of them from all the colonies they abducted to make their army. No point giving your troops expensive weapons when you can use ones you find. Not to mention its more covert then bulk ordering military equipment.

Makes sense, but I still think it's just a placeholder for the Harrier.

[masster blaster]

Okay guys over the winter break I am going to creat a web of ME's Indoctrinated. It will have All Indoctrinated agents, suspects of being sleeper agents, Reapers/leaders, and Leviathans. It may take me 4, or 5 days to complete, but I will get it done.

[Andromidius]

Krimzie wrote...

Agreed. It's so bland.

As someone who's been to Central London, I can confirm it is indeed very bland.

I wonder if they used a map to plan out the level design though.  Probably not.  But they should have.

Urgh, I hate Priority: London.

[Andromidius]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Remember a while back we had a brief discussion as to why Cerberus is using the Mattock as its standard weapon, despite it being an 'old' model weapon?

Well. Probably because it was proven in battle by Shepard. And because Cerberus gained a huge stockpile of them from all the colonies they abducted to make their army. No point giving your troops expensive weapons when you can use ones you find. Not to mention its more covert then bulk ordering military equipment.

Makes sense, but I still think it's just a placeholder for the Harrier.

Modified from Mattocks, so it still makes sense.

Attention to detail is nice.  Even if they still screw up cutscenes constantly... >_>

[Dwailing]

You know, I was thinking about the Reapers, and one thought I had was maybe the Reapers all DO look different, but Shepard sees them all as Sovereign thanks to the indoctrination process.

[masster blaster]

Okay guys going to bed, so night.

[TJBartlemus]

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I was thinking about the Reapers, and one thought I had was maybe the Reapers all DO look different, but Shepard sees them all as Sovereign thanks to the indoctrination process.

Interesting idea. Quite plausible. Also works with WNT / IT in that we know Shepard's perceptions are already being twisted in some way.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I was thinking about the Reapers, and one thought I had was maybe the Reapers all DO look different, but Shepard sees them all as Sovereign thanks to the indoctrination process.

Interesting idea. Quite plausible. Also works with WNT / IT in that we know Shepard's perceptions are already being twisted in some way.

But... Why would they call them Sovereign-class Reapers in-game?

[Eryri]

 Chris Priestly has apparently made another snarky tweet about being "done with the endings"

http://twitter.com/B...863342279659521

I'd be inclined to take that more seriously if he hadn't been on holiday and away from the office for the past month. Or if he hadn't denied little things like Prothean Squadmates, Muliplayer, Kasumi etc etc...

[TJBartlemus]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

You know, I was thinking about the Reapers, and one thought I had was maybe the Reapers all DO look different, but Shepard sees them all as Sovereign thanks to the indoctrination process.

Interesting idea. Quite plausible. Also works with WNT / IT in that we know Shepard's perceptions are already being twisted in some way.

But... Why would they call them Sovereign-class Reapers in-game?

 They don't have to look the same to be put in the same class.

class - A set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality.

 So what could be in common is the size of all the Reapers. Not appearance as assumed. Who knows?

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Remember a while back we had a brief discussion as to why Cerberus is using the Mattock as its standard weapon, despite it being an 'old' model weapon?

Well. Probably because it was proven in battle by Shepard. And because Cerberus gained a huge stockpile of them from all the colonies they abducted to make their army. No point giving your troops expensive weapons when you can use ones you find. Not to mention its more covert then bulk ordering military equipment.

Makes sense, but I still think it's just a placeholder for the Harrier.

Modified from Mattocks, so it still makes sense.

Attention to detail is nice.  Even if they still screw up cutscenes constantly... >_>

And the Harrier's description says it's issued to elite Cerberus troops, meaning Centurions.

Yeah, Cerberus weapons in cutscenes are less than consistant, though they at least all have Cerberus used weapons.

[Andromidius]

Eryri wrote...

 Chris Priestly has apparently made another snarky tweet about being "done with the endings"

http://twitter.com/B...863342279659521

I'd be inclined to take that more seriously if he hadn't been on holiday and away from the office for the past month. Or if he hadn't denied little things like Prothean Squadmates, Muliplayer, Kasumi etc etc...

I don't believe anything he says anymore.  He blatantly lies, often and repeatedly.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Okay, continuing my play-through, several things....

First off, I think I've found something that lends more credibility to the possibility that the VS survivor might be indoctrinated. Megumi (I think) concluded that some of the crew (including the VS) had feelings of being watched when near the human Reaper on Cronos station, while others had not. Then there was Pax's thing from Horizon in ME2 where the VS simply shows up under suspicious circumstances.

I just did the Citadel Coup, Kaidan just came on board.

When I go to see Kaidan, I meet Garrus by the memorial wall first, who asks me if I could have pulled the trigger on Kaidan. Then he says "Glad to have Kaidan back. It's always good to have a friendly gun."

Then, first conversation with Kaidan on the Normandy. He's basically down, worrying about his dad being MIA, worrying about his mother, it's affecting his morale. Paragon Shep relates to that, renegade Shep tells him she needs him focused.

Then he goes on to reminisce about what happened on Earth and he says:

"Earth is always in the back of my mind, haunting me."

The precise moment he says that, there's some sort of buzz that gets louder. It's a little bit like static noise, and it gets louder as a renegade interrupt appears. I got it in my right earphone, from the direction Kaidan was in, it was very noticeable.

If you ignore the renegade interrupt, the buzz fades away, Shep touches her neck/the back of her head and says:

"I get that. I do."

If you do the renegade interrupt, the buzz stops and you tell him to take strength from that memory. And how you cope by imagining going back to Earth, guns blazing, with the galactic fleets behind us.

I'm not sure whether the remark about Earth triggers some effect in Shepard's brain, or that the indoctrination "signal" comes from Kaidan himself.

When you end the conversation, and tell him "Good to have you back, Kaidan.", he doesn't say anything back. He just stands there with his arms folded, and just gives you this peculiar stare as you turn away.

I suddenly got all kinds of 'foreshadowing' vibes from that scene. I don't know how I've never really noticed that before. It certainly felt like doing the renegade interrupt fought off the indoctrination 'moment', both for Shep and Kaidan.

Then you if you talk to Javik, he tells you what the Protheans did with traitors.

Then there's another conversation with EDI that is all sorts of interesting. She is worrying about mortality (becoming non-functional), and wondering about the purpose of synthetic life. You can take this conversation several ways, and it has several interesting outcomes.

If you go all paragon, you tell her that synthetic life should self determine their purpose. She then remarks that the only purpose of organics is to preserve their genes by reproducing. She has looked at examples of synthetic life, but that includes only the Geth and the Reapers.

You can then paragon her and explain how organics find purpose in doing good, work, ambitions, love. She will consult historic records on human achievements and when she finds your claims to be correct, she will adjust her programming to become more altruistic.

Joker then sarcastically asks her: "Wait, you can do that? You can just 'turn' yourself good?"

It's an interesting question, because it implies that morals, for synthetics, is simply some form of protocol. And with one switch of a button, it can be turned evil again.

The other possibility is to tell her that the purpose of synthetics was defined by their creator. (Yeah, I know) In which case, she says she was created by Cerberus, but no longer works for them. Shep then tells her that Cerberus' goal always was to do everything that was in humanity's best interests. She then wonders how to know right from wrong, and you can tell her that she would be able to tell the difference. EDI then adjust something else about her programming. I forgot exactly how this went, I'll play it again tomorrow and tell you if nobody else knows. However!

The most interesting thing happens when you use the renegade option for the second question. You tell her that taking the Reapers as an example, is not something you want to do. Joker seconds this wholeheartedly. EDI then replies that the Reapers are an extremely successful species, living millions of years. Shepard then tells her that she should ask herself if she would want to spend her life destroying and harvesting organics for all eternity. EDI then tells you that that is a most interesting suggestion, and that she will take it under consideration. The conversation then ends, without EDI telling you anything about whether she adjusted her programming.

Thoughts?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:48 .

[TJBartlemus]

Andromidius wrote...

Eryri wrote...

 Chris Priestly has apparently made another snarky tweet about being "done with the endings"

http://twitter.com/B...863342279659521

I'd be inclined to take that more seriously if he hadn't been on holiday and away from the office for the past month. Or if he hadn't denied little things like Prothean Squadmates, Muliplayer, Kasumi etc etc...

I don't believe anything he says anymore.  He blatantly lies, often and repeatedly.

(I mean no offense to these people, and absolutely respect what they do.)

 Jessica Merizan - spreads misinformation 
 Chris Priestly - makes false claims about content (ex. No Multiplayer)

And people take every word they say as truth? What, official people can't lie? <_< 

[TJBartlemus]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
*snip*
Thoughts?

 Hmm...interesting. The concept that the interupts could be suggestions from the Reapers is an interesting one. 
I must explore this idea further at a later date. For now, it's late for me. Heading to bed.  Sweet dreams and don't let the big bad trolls bite.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[ChrisFabC]

Chris Priestly said that DLC's won't change the endings. Is there a possibility of an expansion disc on the horizon?