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[byne]

Hrothdane wrote...

@byne

It's a hallucination designed to indoctrinate Shepard. Shepard will probably immediately escape it after showing he/she is not going to play ball with Starbinger and then go on to use the Crucible in real life. Alternatively, Shepard will figure out a way to bypass Starbinger in the hallucination while he tries to convince him/her that it is useless.

I know its a hallucination, but I was talking in the literal endings.

[Hrothdane]

Rifneno wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

@byne

It's a hallucination designed to indoctrinate Shepard. Shepard will probably immediately escape it after showing he/she is not going to play ball with Starbinger and then go on to use the Crucible in real life. Alternatively, Shepard will figure out a way to bypass Starbinger in the hallucination while he tries to convince him/her that it is useless.

How's Shepard going to use a giant Reaper womb to wipe out the Reapers?

Obviously, it wouldn't be a Reaper Womb in such a scenario. If the Crucible is such a trap, substitute some other method to defeat the Reapers such as deactivating Harbinger.

[Fur28]

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

[byne]

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

The first one. We still dont know what it does.

[Hrothdane]

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

IT is the former. "Deception Theory" is the latter.

[paxxton]

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

Reality ceases when Harbinger strikes Shepard with the laser. The Crucible we see docking at the Citadel Is fake.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:03 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

It's possible, but I think it's extremely unlikely that they are real.

And no Hrothdane, it does not have to be deception theory. Fur just said the options could be real, bot that our encounter was.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:03 .

[byne]

Hrothdane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

IT is the former. "Deception Theory" is the latter.

I still dont understand the point of deception theory.

Unless I understand it wrong, both control and synthesis still work as described, so the godchild has no real need to trick you into picking them.

It'd be like, you pick synthesis, he shouts FOOLED YOU, and then synthesis happens.

He sure showed us.

Modifié par byne, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[AresKeith]

byne wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

IT is the former. "Deception Theory" is the latter.

I still dont understand the point of deception theory.

Unless I understand it wrong, both control and synthesis still work as described, so the godchild has no real need to trick you into picking them.

It'd be like, you pick synthesis, he shouts FOOLED YOU, and then synthesis happens.

He sure showed us.

Well coming from deception theory, it sounds like he doesn't like Control but considers it a temporary solution

[Hrothdane]

byne wrote...
I still dont understand the point of deception theory.

Unless I understand it wrong, both control and synthesis still work as described, so the godchild has no real need to trick you into picking them.

It'd be like, you pick synthesis, he shouts FOOLED YOU, and then synthesis happens.

He sure showed us.

You don't have to tell me.

But didn't you know? TTG already deductively proved it <_<

[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm a little hesitant to choose destroy now.

http://social.biowar...index/15321892 

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Looking at the endings from an IT standpoint,

Can anyone see Refuse as being the way out of the indoctrination? Because even when you know there is no other way out, you're still remaining completely incorruptable to your morals and beliefs?

I always liked the idea of having refuse be kind of like a back up way out for the hallucination. You can always pick it, so no one could argue there was no way out. Now, I'm just spurting out ideas, but you could have refuse depend enormously on war assets (much like PT) and possibly the help of certain characters to help you out of it and survive. Namely, Javik, Liara, Rachni Queen, Shiala, possibly even the geth - anyone with any kind of mind powers.

Refuse as a way out in IT is really only hampered by 2 things:
1. No breath scene, but as Restrider already pointed out, that would simply confirm IT. (Yes Rif I know.)
2. It wasn't in the base game. I like the idea that it was always going to be added for a reveal, but they added it early (in a nonfinished state) because of fan outcry.

[Fur28]

byne wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

IT is the former. "Deception Theory" is the latter.

I still dont understand the point of deception theory.

Unless I understand it wrong, both control and synthesis still work as described, so the godchild has no real need to trick you into picking them.

It'd be like, you pick synthesis, he shouts FOOLED YOU, and then synthesis happens.

He sure showed us.

In literal the child says that shepard is especial for being the first organic there, maybe in deception shepard, for some reason, was the only one that could activate the crucible the "right" way.
dont understand why the reapers couldn´s just kidnap some random soldier or use one human from their concentration groups and trhow them in the synthesis laser, but whatever every theory has its plotholes

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Looking at the endings from an IT standpoint,

Can anyone see Refuse as being the way out of the indoctrination? Because even when you know there is no other way out, you're still remaining completely incorruptable to your morals and beliefs?

I personally like the idea of both destroy and refuse offering ways out. Destroy could be the "renegade" option and refuse could be the "paragon" option.

Me too.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:16 .

[Dwailing]

Oh great, I think I just lost a double digit number of IQ points reading Seival's latest thread. Gethprime, you could have warned me.

[byne]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm a little hesitant to choose destroy now.

http://social.biowar.../index/15321892 

Seival has literally never once been right. This only makes destroy more appealing.

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

Oh great, I think I just lost a double digit number of IQ points reading Seival's latest thread. Gethprime, you could have warned me.

That's like asking to be warned that drinking bleach is bad for your health.

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Oh great, I think I just lost a double digit number of IQ points reading Seival's latest thread. Gethprime, you could have warned me.

That's like asking to be warned that drinking bleach is bad for your health.

What I meant was that there was no warning that it was a Seival thread.  At least then I would have known going in what's going to happen.  Instead, it got sprung on me.

[TJBartlemus]

Hrothdane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

IT is the former. "Deception Theory" is the latter.

The latter is also WNT in sorts.  Which of course existed was way before Deception Theory became created.

[BansheeOwnage]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

IT is the former. "Deception Theory" is the latter.

The latter is also WNT in sorts.  Which of course existed was way before Deception Theory became created.

And makes infinitely more sense.

[GethPrimeMKII]

byne wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm a little hesitant to choose destroy now.

http://social.biowar.../index/15321892 

Seival has literally never once been right. This only makes destroy more appealing.

Oh I know. I just enjoy being sarcastic once in a while.

[Hrothdane]

Oh, Seival, you crazy indoctrinated fool. What silliness will you perpetuate next?

[byne]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

byne wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm a little hesitant to choose destroy now.

http://social.biowar.../index/15321892 

Seival has literally never once been right. This only makes destroy more appealing.

Oh I know. I just enjoy being sarcastic once in a while.

Oh, I knew you were being sarcastic, my comment wasnt aimed at you. I was just saying.

[masster blaster]

The problem with refuse is that when you choose the dialogues to tell the catalyst off, Shepard does not really deni Destroy. All he/she says is I can't make that desision we will Destroy you with out the crucible. Okay Brat could give a dam about Destroy, but Shepard is already considering not using the crucbile/ not fully hearing the other to chocies that he likes.

Not to mention Again refuse is giving up. Shepard is all talk, yet no action, yet in Destroy she takes action. Sure Refuse may do nothing now, but right now there is no action.

Look I want to kill all Reapers, and if there is a chance to end the Reapers, I mean kill them, then I would take it. Besides in refuse only option is a head on fight because literal or not Shepard does not believe in refuse they will use the crucible, and will fight them. Again we can't win on a head on fight.

Against one yes, a hundred no.

[Dwailing]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Question: in IT, is the crucible and all its options(endings) part of the dream while indoctrinated? meaning we havent seen the real crucible and what it really does

or the crucuble is real and the indoctrination attemt from the reapers was to make shepard choose synthesis or control

IT is the former. "Deception Theory" is the latter.

The latter is also WNT in sorts.  Which of course existed was way before Deception Theory became created.

And makes infinitely more sense.

Agreed.  I'm a strong believer in WNT because it explains or could be expanded to explain many of the oddities in the game as a whole as opposed to just the endings.