Andromidius wrote...
Fur28 wrote...
Just like in ME1&2, where you could choose the order of missions.... ahhhhhhhh good times, good olde times^_^
Yep, to some degree. You can certainly 'fail' some missions in ME2 as well - getting Tali exiled, killing Zaeed, recruiting Morinth...
And heck, you could screw up ME3 in ME2 with a single choice - whether or not to save the Genophage cure data!
Big_Boss9 wrote...
One example is that you will lose the ability to do Rannoch: Admiral Koris and Rannoch: Geth Fighter Base if you do Priority: Rannoch first.Fur28 wrote...
could you give an example because that has never ocurred to me
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Whoa! Last time I destroyed the data and let Maelon go. This time it turns out I will have to check out other options.GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
Fur28 wrote...
Just like in ME1&2, where you could choose the order of missions.... ahhhhhhhh good times, good olde times^_^
Yep, to some degree. You can certainly 'fail' some missions in ME2 as well - getting Tali exiled, killing Zaeed, recruiting Morinth...
And heck, you could screw up ME3 in ME2 with a single choice - whether or not to save the Genophage cure data!
Theres plenty you can F up in 3. Hell, theres enough F-ing up you can do in all three games.
Modifié par paxxton, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:59 .
Well, it's just I've been thinking about it lately, so I thought I'd add my perspective. We know that the Leviathans created the Intelligence, who Catalyst claims he is, to study life in order to solve the problem between organics and synthetics and prevent them from conflicting. We also know that this Intelligence is responsible for the creation of the Reapers, and claims that he is the collective wisdom of them. My theory is: Perhaps he is creating the Reapers in order to add to his own intelligence by adding the perspectives of all the harvested races in order to solve the problem he was created to solve. The intelligence realized that he couldn't discover it on his own because he was seperate from them, which EDI when also trying to learn states can lead to missing crucial context. Thus the Intelligence decided that in order to obtain said context, he must assimilate the knowledge from all the races and turn them intodata, which he does by harvesting them into Reapers,until he understands it. He could still be doing that to this day, and will continue to do so until he discovers the answer to the problem he was created to solve.BansheeOwnage wrote...
A bit of an odd question. In IT there is most likely no Catalyst and only Harbinger. In literal, what he says is truthful even if it makes no sense.LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Hey, I'm sure you guys have talked about it, but have you ever considered the Catalyst's true motivations behind the Reapers?
Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:02 .
Not necessarily. PT can be either literal or non-literal. At its most basic level, it simply states that the ending will be expanded upon through DLC. As well, war assets could play an enormous role in an IT reveal.Fur28 wrote...
@Jade, its kinda hard to find a way to connect both Puzzle and IT, since the former is in Literal and IT is in IT, the only way, i can think of, would be if the DLC war assets are seen fighting or use by post-indoctrination Shepard, maybe using some of the intel gained in MP storyline
Huh. Cool, I like it. It's a flawed goal, but it has to be.LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Well, it's just I've been thinking about it lately, so I thought I'd add my perspective. We know that the Leviathans created the Intelligence, who Catalyst claims he is, to study life in order to solve the problem between organics and synthetics and prevent them from conflicting. We also know that this Intelligence is responsible for the creation of the Reapers, and claims that he is the collective wisdom of them. My theory is: Perhaps he is creating the Reapers in order to add to his own intelligence by adding the perspectives of all the harvested races in order to solve the problem he was created to solve. The intelligence realized that he couldn't discover it on his own because he was seperate from them, which EDI when also trying to learn states can lead to missing crucial context. Thus the Intelligence decided that in order to obtain said context, he must assimilate the knowledge from all the races and turn them intodata, which he does by harvesting them into Reapers,until he understands it. He could still be doing that to this day, and will continue to do so until he discovers the answer to the problem he was created to solve.BansheeOwnage wrote...
A bit of an odd question. In IT there is most likely no Catalyst and only Harbinger. In literal, what he says is truthful even if it makes no sense.LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Hey, I'm sure you guys have talked about it, but have you ever considered the Catalyst's true motivations behind the Reapers?
Fur28 wrote...
whats
'd is when someone put what you were going to put up while you were doing it. The other person was like a ninja and snuck in the answer before you. At least that's what I think it means.
Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:07 .
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Huh. Cool, I like it. It's a flawed goal, but it has to be.LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Well, it's just I've been thinking about it lately, so I thought I'd add my perspective. We know that the Leviathans created the Intelligence, who Catalyst claims he is, to study life in order to solve the problem between organics and synthetics and prevent them from conflicting. We also know that this Intelligence is responsible for the creation of the Reapers, and claims that he is the collective wisdom of them. My theory is: Perhaps he is creating the Reapers in order to add to his own intelligence by adding the perspectives of all the harvested races in order to solve the problem he was created to solve. The intelligence realized that he couldn't discover it on his own because he was seperate from them, which EDI when also trying to learn states can lead to missing crucial context. Thus the Intelligence decided that in order to obtain said context, he must assimilate the knowledge from all the races and turn them intodata, which he does by harvesting them into Reapers,until he understands it. He could still be doing that to this day, and will continue to do so until he discovers the answer to the problem he was created to solve.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Not necessarily. PT can be either literal or non-literal. At its most basic level, it simply states that the ending will be expanded upon through DLC. As well, war assets could play an enormous role in an IT reveal.Fur28 wrote...
@Jade, its kinda hard to find a way to connect both Puzzle and IT, since the former is in Literal and IT is in IT, the only way, i can think of, would be if the DLC war assets are seen fighting or use by post-indoctrination Shepard, maybe using some of the intel gained in MP storyline
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Fur28 wrote...
whats
´d me but whatever i still dont get it
An interesting point as well, considering most of the evidence he has for anything is of his own creation. I.E. saying synthetics will always try to wipe out organics because he and his reapers do that. Or because they hack other synthetics like the Geth and Zha'til to do it.Krimzie wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Huh. Cool, I like it. It's a flawed goal, but it has to be.LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Well, it's just I've been thinking about it lately, so I thought I'd add my perspective. We know that the Leviathans created the Intelligence, who Catalyst claims he is, to study life in order to solve the problem between organics and synthetics and prevent them from conflicting. We also know that this Intelligence is responsible for the creation of the Reapers, and claims that he is the collective wisdom of them. My theory is: Perhaps he is creating the Reapers in order to add to his own intelligence by adding the perspectives of all the harvested races in order to solve the problem he was created to solve. The intelligence realized that he couldn't discover it on his own because he was seperate from them, which EDI when also trying to learn states can lead to missing crucial context. Thus the Intelligence decided that in order to obtain said context, he must assimilate the knowledge from all the races and turn them intodata, which he does by harvesting them into Reapers,until he understands it. He could still be doing that to this day, and will continue to do so until he discovers the answer to the problem he was created to solve.
I also like this theory, Revan! Since it's a flawed goal, it explains why the presented "solutions" are flawed, as well. It also gives a good reason for why the Catalyst makes the huge blanket claim that "synthetics seek perfection through understanding" of organics. Do they? Or does he? Because EDI seemed to want to do more than just understand... she wanted to feel, to decide, to evolve. (And not to get ADD with the topic here, but synthesis doesn't promise that kind of thing for synthetics; only understanding.)
He was ninja'd, not you. Someone said what he was going to first.Fur28 wrote...
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Fur28 wrote...
whats
with what little i understood, i still dont understand how he
BansheeOwnage wrote...
He was ninja'd, not you. Someone said what he was going to first.Fur28 wrote...
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Fur28 wrote...
whats
with what little i understood, i still dont understand how he
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5046441320908127&pid=15.1Krimzie wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Huh. Cool, I like it. It's a flawed goal, but it has to be.LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Well, it's just I've been thinking about it lately, so I thought I'd add my perspective. We know that the Leviathans created the Intelligence, who Catalyst claims he is, to study life in order to solve the problem between organics and synthetics and prevent them from conflicting. We also know that this Intelligence is responsible for the creation of the Reapers, and claims that he is the collective wisdom of them. My theory is: Perhaps he is creating the Reapers in order to add to his own intelligence by adding the perspectives of all the harvested races in order to solve the problem he was created to solve. The intelligence realized that he couldn't discover it on his own because he was seperate from them, which EDI when also trying to learn states can lead to missing crucial context. Thus the Intelligence decided that in order to obtain said context, he must assimilate the knowledge from all the races and turn them intodata, which he does by harvesting them into Reapers,until he understands it. He could still be doing that to this day, and will continue to do so until he discovers the answer to the problem he was created to solve.
I also like this theory, Revan! Since it's a flawed goal, it explains why the presented "solutions" are flawed, as well. It also gives a good reason for why the Catalyst makes the huge blanket claim that "synthetics seek perfection through understanding" of organics. Do they? Or does he? Because EDI seemed to want to do more than just understand... she wanted to feel, to decide, to evolve. (And not to get ADD with the topic here, but synthesis doesn't promise that kind of thing for synthetics; only understanding.)
That's the reason why I've never felt the Catalyst was lying to us, or at least fully, during that scene. According to his logic, those chices aren't flawed and tries to convince you they aren't either, and for mqany people he succeeds.BansheeOwnage wrote...
An interesting point as well, considering most of the evidence he has for anything is of his own creation. I.E. saying synthetics will always try to wipe out organics because he and his reapers do that. Or because they hack other synthetics like the Geth and Zha'til to do it.Krimzie wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Huh. Cool, I like it. It's a flawed goal, but it has to be.LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Well, it's just I've been thinking about it lately, so I thought I'd add my perspective. We know that the Leviathans created the Intelligence, who Catalyst claims he is, to study life in order to solve the problem between organics and synthetics and prevent them from conflicting. We also know that this Intelligence is responsible for the creation of the Reapers, and claims that he is the collective wisdom of them. My theory is: Perhaps he is creating the Reapers in order to add to his own intelligence by adding the perspectives of all the harvested races in order to solve the problem he was created to solve. The intelligence realized that he couldn't discover it on his own because he was seperate from them, which EDI when also trying to learn states can lead to missing crucial context. Thus the Intelligence decided that in order to obtain said context, he must assimilate the knowledge from all the races and turn them intodata, which he does by harvesting them into Reapers,until he understands it. He could still be doing that to this day, and will continue to do so until he discovers the answer to the problem he was created to solve.
I also like this theory, Revan! Since it's a flawed goal, it explains why the presented "solutions" are flawed, as well. It also gives a good reason for why the Catalyst makes the huge blanket claim that "synthetics seek perfection through understanding" of organics. Do they? Or does he? Because EDI seemed to want to do more than just understand... she wanted to feel, to decide, to evolve. (And not to get ADD with the topic here, but synthesis doesn't promise that kind of thing for synthetics; only understanding.)
Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:25 .
Didn't mean to confuse. When I said you, I was doing so in the same way a dictionary would, not you specifically. Sorry about that.Fur28 wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
He was ninja'd, not you. Someone said what he was going to first.Fur28 wrote...
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Fur28 wrote...
whats
with what little i understood, i still dont understand how he
ok got it, confused the pronoums on what LDS said, thanks
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Didn't mean to confuse. When I said you, I was doing so in the same way a dictionary would, not you specifically. Sorry about that.Fur28 wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
He was ninja'd, not you. Someone said what he was going to first.Fur28 wrote...
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Fur28 wrote...
whats
with what little i understood, i still dont understand how he
ok got it, confused the pronoums on what LDS said, thanks
jojon2se wrote...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
I like how, in Omega, Nyreen dies a pointless death by being selfless to the point of stupidity.
Aria however, won't go down without a fight, and as a result, everyone lives to fight another day.
There's more to Omega than meets the eye at first glance. SO much ending foreshadowing there, it's awesome.
Sallying recklessly forth, in blind, single-minded, bezerker rage and literally leaping right into a trap, that the more levelheaded Shepard has to pull her out of - yep, yep... What were you arguing for again?
Please forgive the snark - I had hoped I was above dishing out as well as I take, but I guess not.
I do agree that Nyreen's sacrifice, the way it is presented, is extremely forced and could do with having had better everything; motivational weight, situational opportunity and so on.
I guess both Aria and Nyreen let acting go before thinking...
Modifié par Dwailing, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:40 .
But they were reprogrammed by Sovereign, so you're undoing a rewrite by rewriting them to the way they were before Sovereign's rewrite rewroter them. basically, you're setting them free from Reaper control.Dwailing wrote...
So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics. It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.
I see it more as unindoctrination. Imagine a group of turians or asari that had been indoctrinated, but you could somehow restore them to their original state. Remove the virus that made them flawed in the first place.Dwailing wrote...
So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics. It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.
I also like to do it to help the geth, because they are cool, and to show Legion that I am willing to help his people.
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:46 .
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
But they were reprogrammed by Sovereign, so you're undoing a rewrite by rewriting them to the way they were before Sovereign's rewrite rewroter them. basically, you're setting them free from Reaper control.Dwailing wrote...
So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics. It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I see it more as unindoctrination. Imagine a group of turians or asari that had been indoctrinated, but you could somehow restore them to their original state. Remove the virus that made them flawed in the first place.Dwailing wrote...
So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics. It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.
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Modifié par Dwailing, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:48 .
LDS Darth Revan wrote...
But they were reprogrammed by Sovereign, so you're undoing a rewrite by rewriting them to the way they were before Sovereign's rewrite rewroter them. basically, you're setting them free from Reaper control.Dwailing wrote...
So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics. It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.
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