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[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

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So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.

Legion is ok with rewriting though.

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

[Dwailing]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

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Dwailing wrote...

So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.

But they were reprogrammed by Sovereign, so you're undoing a rewrite by rewriting them to the way they were before Sovereign's rewrite rewroter them. basically, you're setting them free from Reaper control.

But its explained in 3 that rewriting the Heretics ends up biting you in the ass. The former heretics gave the reapers greater influence over the consensus, making the desicion to ally with the reapers for protection easier. 

They only do that because the Quarians threatened them with extermination. When you're backed into a corner and someone offers you a hand, you don't look at the hand but just take it.

However, the Heretics, if you reprogrammed them, jump on the oppurtunity, while if you destroy them, it's harder for the geth to reach consensus.  It sounds like there's something inherent in the essence of the Heretics that causes them to support the Reapers, reprogrammed or not.

Thats what was strongly suggested by Legion's mathematical explanaition. Legion tells you that all Sovereign's virus does is introduce a subtle run time error within the most basic processes of the geths' minds. Its simple, yet powerful.

Isnt it interesting that this is very much how slow patient indoctrination works with organics? Its simple and subtle, yet the end result can bring down entire nations. 

The lesson that should be taken from this mission and what results in 3, is that reaper influence cannot be cured and cannot be undone. 

Yup, you can only resist Reaper influence, hopefully long enough to give us victory and little blue babies. 

[paxxton]

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So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.

Legion is ok with rewriting though.

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

I trust Legion. He knows how to do the rewrite.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 décembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dwailing wrote...

I guess the big question here is, do you trust a group that willingly sided with the Reapers and repeatedly attacked both organics and their own species enough to allow them to continue to exist? Honestly, looking back, I realize that it's a bit naive to do so. And I see this as being foreshadowing, at least somewhat, for the ME3 endings. Do you trust that an entity responsible for many TRILLIONS of deaths is telling the truth, or do you doubt him, and do what's necessary to end the threat permanently? Seeing the results from the Heretic choice, I'm inclined to do the latter.

You have to remember though, the Geth's only interaction with an organic race led to them being attacked by said race. Since the geth views things by logic, if one out of one, equaling 100%, organic races attacks them, then all organics will attack them. And it was only Sovereign's interaction with them that led them to violence. Before that, they were content just leaving the resty of the galaxy alone. As for the Catalyst telling the truth, I believe he thinks he is due to his perspective, which I toughed a few pages ago.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dwailing wrote...
Yup, you can only resist Reaper influence, hopefully long enough to give us victory and little blue babies. 

Or if you remove the source of the Reaper influence, as in the Reapers, then you remove any threat of Reaper influence affecting the Geth.

[Dwailing]

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Dwailing wrote...

So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.

Legion is ok with rewriting though.

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

I trust Legion. He knows how to do the rewrite.

He knows HOW to do the rewrite, but he even say that he has no idea WHAT exactly will happen.  All he knows is that it will cause the Heretics to return to the main faction of geth.  He doesn't, however, have any idea exactly what will happen after that. 

[Dwailing]

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Dwailing wrote...
Yup, you can only resist Reaper influence, hopefully long enough to give us victory and little blue babies. 

Or if you remove the source of the Reaper influence, as in the Reapers, then you remove any threat of Reaper influence affecting the Geth.

And yet, when the Reapers approach the geth when they're being attacked by the quarians, the Heretics support joining with the Reapers.  It seems that, even after the rewrite, they still support the Reapers in some way.  And isn't this a point that I already brought up?  Because if it's gotten to the point where we're merely restating points with no hope of changing opinions, then I think this conversation should end.

[Dwailing]

Oh, I just made a connection. In ME2, when you reprogram the Heretics, you see a massive wave of energy burst out of the base. On the other hand, when you destroy the Heretics, you see a massive explosion. This reminds me a lot of the Control burst vs. the Destroy burst.

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 décembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I guess the big question here is, do you trust a group that willingly sided with the Reapers and repeatedly attacked both organics and their own species enough to allow them to continue to exist? Honestly, looking back, I realize that it's a bit naive to do so. And I see this as being foreshadowing, at least somewhat, for the ME3 endings. Do you trust that an entity responsible for many TRILLIONS of deaths is telling the truth, or do you doubt him, and do what's necessary to end the threat permanently? Seeing the results from the Heretic choice, I'm inclined to do the latter.

You have to remember though, the Geth's only interaction with an organic race led to them being attacked by said race. Since the geth views things by logic, if one out of one, equaling 100%, organic races attacks them, then all organics will attack them. And it was only Sovereign's interaction with them that led them to violence. Before that, they were content just leaving the resty of the galaxy alone. As for the Catalyst telling the truth, I believe he thinks he is due to his perspective, which I toughed a few pages ago.

Thats flawed logic. A sample size of one race is nowhere near enough to determine how all organics would have reacted to the geth. 

As for the catalyst, he's a lying sack of crap. All known instances of synthetic aggression against organics have been caused by reapers. If the catalyst wishes to save organics from synthetics and broker peace between the two, then why do the reapers cause synthetics to attack organics?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dwailing wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Yup, you can only resist Reaper influence, hopefully long enough to give us victory and little blue babies. 

Or if you remove the source of the Reaper influence, as in the Reapers, then you remove any threat of Reaper influence affecting the Geth.

And yet, when the Reapers approach the geth when they're being attacked by the quarians, the Heretics support joining with the Reapers.  It seems that, even after the rewrite, they still support the Reapers in some way.  And isn't this a point that I already brought up?  Because if it's gotten to the point where we're merely restating points with no hope of changing opinions, then I think this conversation should end.

I believe I've answered this already, but maybe it was to somebody else. The Quarians threatened them with extermination, and the Reapers are the only race offering assistance against the Quarians. If you're a race who think with only logic, and your two options are accept Reaper aid or die, which would you take?

[Dwailing]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I guess the big question here is, do you trust a group that willingly sided with the Reapers and repeatedly attacked both organics and their own species enough to allow them to continue to exist? Honestly, looking back, I realize that it's a bit naive to do so. And I see this as being foreshadowing, at least somewhat, for the ME3 endings. Do you trust that an entity responsible for many TRILLIONS of deaths is telling the truth, or do you doubt him, and do what's necessary to end the threat permanently? Seeing the results from the Heretic choice, I'm inclined to do the latter.

You have to remember though, the Geth's only interaction with an organic race led to them being attacked by said race. Since the geth views things by logic, if one out of one, equaling 100%, organic races attacks them, then all organics will attack them. And it was only Sovereign's interaction with them that led them to violence. Before that, they were content just leaving the resty of the galaxy alone. As for the Catalyst telling the truth, I believe he thinks he is due to his perspective, which I toughed a few pages ago.

Thats flawed logic. A sample size of one race is nowhere near enough to determine how all organics would have reacted to the geth. 

As for the catalyst, he's a lying sack of crap. All known instances of synthetic aggression against organics have been caused by reapers. If the catalyst wishes to save organics from synthetics and broker peace between the two, then why do the reapers cause synthetics to attack organics?

It should be noted, however, that in cases where the Reapers WEREN'T involved, most of the times that synthetics and organics were in conflict started when the ORGANICS attacked the synthetics out of fear.

[paxxton]

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Dwailing wrote...

So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.

Legion is ok with rewriting though.

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

I trust Legion. He knows how to do the rewrite.

He knows HOW to do the rewrite, but he even say that he has no idea WHAT exactly will happen.  All he knows is that it will cause the Heretics to return to the main faction of geth.  He doesn't, however, have any idea exactly what will happen after that. 

I'll probably will have more to say when I finish that mission.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I guess the big question here is, do you trust a group that willingly sided with the Reapers and repeatedly attacked both organics and their own species enough to allow them to continue to exist? Honestly, looking back, I realize that it's a bit naive to do so. And I see this as being foreshadowing, at least somewhat, for the ME3 endings. Do you trust that an entity responsible for many TRILLIONS of deaths is telling the truth, or do you doubt him, and do what's necessary to end the threat permanently? Seeing the results from the Heretic choice, I'm inclined to do the latter.

You have to remember though, the Geth's only interaction with an organic race led to them being attacked by said race. Since the geth views things by logic, if one out of one, equaling 100%, organic races attacks them, then all organics will attack them. And it was only Sovereign's interaction with them that led them to violence. Before that, they were content just leaving the resty of the galaxy alone. As for the Catalyst telling the truth, I believe he thinks he is due to his perspective, which I toughed a few pages ago.

Thats flawed logic. A sample size of one race is nowhere near enough to determine how all organics would have reacted to the geth. 

As for the catalyst, he's a lying sack of crap. All known instances of synthetic aggression against organics have been caused by reapers. If the catalyst wishes to save organics from synthetics and broker peace between the two, then why do the reapers cause synthetics to attack organics?

While it is flawed, logic is the only thing Geth at the time could comprehend, and thus weren't willing to chance extending an invitation. Instead, they decided to live behind the Perseus Veil until the evolved enough to comprehend such things. Unfortunately for them, Sovereign came along and offered them the wrong answer.

[Dwailing]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

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Yup, you can only resist Reaper influence, hopefully long enough to give us victory and little blue babies. 

Or if you remove the source of the Reaper influence, as in the Reapers, then you remove any threat of Reaper influence affecting the Geth.

And yet, when the Reapers approach the geth when they're being attacked by the quarians, the Heretics support joining with the Reapers.  It seems that, even after the rewrite, they still support the Reapers in some way.  And isn't this a point that I already brought up?  Because if it's gotten to the point where we're merely restating points with no hope of changing opinions, then I think this conversation should end.

I believe I've answered this already, but maybe it was to somebody else. The Quarians threatened them with extermination, and the Reapers are the only race offering assistance against the Quarians. If you're a race who think with only logic, and your two options are accept Reaper aid or die, which would you take?

The difference is that if you destroy the Heretics, the geth take longer to reach consensus on whether to accept Reaper help.  If you reprogram the Heretics, however, they jump on the offer like Ray from Rooster Teeth jumps on those blocks in the beginning of episode 29 of their Minecraft Let's Play.

[Dwailing]

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So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.

Legion is ok with rewriting though.

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

I trust Legion. He knows how to do the rewrite.

He knows HOW to do the rewrite, but he even say that he has no idea WHAT exactly will happen.  All he knows is that it will cause the Heretics to return to the main faction of geth.  He doesn't, however, have any idea exactly what will happen after that. 

I'll probably will have more to say when I finish that mission.

Yeah, I will as well.  And it HAS been awhile since I've played that mission, so it's possible that I'm working on misremembered information.

[BleedingUranium]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I guess the big question here is, do you trust a group that willingly sided with the Reapers and repeatedly attacked both organics and their own species enough to allow them to continue to exist? Honestly, looking back, I realize that it's a bit naive to do so. And I see this as being foreshadowing, at least somewhat, for the ME3 endings. Do you trust that an entity responsible for many TRILLIONS of deaths is telling the truth, or do you doubt him, and do what's necessary to end the threat permanently? Seeing the results from the Heretic choice, I'm inclined to do the latter.

You have to remember though, the Geth's only interaction with an organic race led to them being attacked by said race. Since the geth views things by logic, if one out of one, equaling 100%, organic races attacks them, then all organics will attack them. And it was only Sovereign's interaction with them that led them to violence. Before that, they were content just leaving the resty of the galaxy alone. As for the Catalyst telling the truth, I believe he thinks he is due to his perspective, which I toughed a few pages ago.

Thats flawed logic. A sample size of one race is nowhere near enough to determine how all organics would have reacted to the geth. 

As for the catalyst, he's a lying sack of crap. All known instances of synthetic aggression against organics have been caused by reapers. If the catalyst wishes to save organics from synthetics and broker peace between the two, then why do the reapers cause synthetics to attack organics?

LDS wasn't saying it made sense, but that the kid/Harbinger might believe what he's saying, even if it's wrong.

[paxxton]

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So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.[/quote]
Legion is ok with rewriting though.[/quote]

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

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And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.[/quote]

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

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No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.[/quote]

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

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I trust Legion. He knows how to do the rewrite.[/quote]

He knows HOW to do the rewrite, but he even say that he has no idea WHAT exactly will happen.  All he knows is that it will cause the Heretics to return to the main faction of geth.  He doesn't, however, have any idea exactly what will happen after that. 

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I'll probably will have more to say when I finish that mission. [/quote]

Yeah, I will as well.  And it HAS been awhile since I've played that mission, so it's possible that I'm working on misremembered information.

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[BleedingUranium]

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So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.[/quote]
Legion is ok with rewriting though.[/quote]

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

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And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.[/quote]

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

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No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.[/quote]

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

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I trust Legion. He knows how to do the rewrite.[/quote]

He knows HOW to do the rewrite, but he even say that he has no idea WHAT exactly will happen.  All he knows is that it will cause the Heretics to return to the main faction of geth.  He doesn't, however, have any idea exactly what will happen after that. 

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I'll probably will have more to say when I finish that mission. [/quote]

Yeah, I will as well.  And it HAS been awhile since I've played that mission, so it's possible that I'm working on misremembered information.

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[Hanako Ikezawa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I guess the big question here is, do you trust a group that willingly sided with the Reapers and repeatedly attacked both organics and their own species enough to allow them to continue to exist? Honestly, looking back, I realize that it's a bit naive to do so. And I see this as being foreshadowing, at least somewhat, for the ME3 endings. Do you trust that an entity responsible for many TRILLIONS of deaths is telling the truth, or do you doubt him, and do what's necessary to end the threat permanently? Seeing the results from the Heretic choice, I'm inclined to do the latter.

You have to remember though, the Geth's only interaction with an organic race led to them being attacked by said race. Since the geth views things by logic, if one out of one, equaling 100%, organic races attacks them, then all organics will attack them. And it was only Sovereign's interaction with them that led them to violence. Before that, they were content just leaving the resty of the galaxy alone. As for the Catalyst telling the truth, I believe he thinks he is due to his perspective, which I toughed a few pages ago.

Thats flawed logic. A sample size of one race is nowhere near enough to determine how all organics would have reacted to the geth. 

As for the catalyst, he's a lying sack of crap. All known instances of synthetic aggression against organics have been caused by reapers. If the catalyst wishes to save organics from synthetics and broker peace between the two, then why do the reapers cause synthetics to attack organics?

LDS wasn't saying it made sense, but that the kid/Harbinger might believe what he's saying, even if it's wrong.

Basically. This conversation earlier mighty help shed light

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

     Well, it's just I've been thinking about it lately, so I thought I'd add my perspective. We know that the Leviathans created the Intelligence, who Catalyst claims he is, to study life in order to solve the problem between organics and synthetics and prevent them from conflicting. We also know that this Intelligence is responsible for the creation of the Reapers, and claims that he is the collective wisdom of them. My theory is: Perhaps he is creating the Reapers in order to add to his own intelligence by adding the perspectives of all the harvested races in order to solve the problem he was created to solve. The intelligence realized that he couldn't discover it on his own because he was seperate from them, which EDI when also trying to learn states can lead to missing crucial context. Thus the Intelligence decided that in order to obtain said context, he must assimilate the knowledge from all the races and turn them intodata, which he does by harvesting them into Reapers,until he understands it. He could still be doing that to this day, and will continue to do so until he discovers the answer to the problem he was created to solve. 

Huh. Cool, I like it. It's a flawed goal, but it has to be.

I also like this theory, Revan! Since it's a flawed goal, it explains why the presented "solutions" are flawed, as well. It also gives a good reason for why the Catalyst makes the huge blanket claim that "synthetics seek perfection through understanding" of organics. Do they? Or does he? Because EDI seemed to want to do more than just understand... she wanted to feel, to decide, to evolve. (And not to get ADD with the topic here, but synthesis doesn't promise that kind of thing for synthetics; only understanding.)

An interesting point as well, considering most of the evidence he has for anything is of his own creation. I.E. saying synthetics will always try to wipe out organics because he and his reapers do that. Or because they hack other synthetics like the Geth and Zha'til to do it.

That's the reason why I've never felt the Catalyst was lying to us, or at least fully, during that scene. According to his logic, those chices aren't flawed and tries to convince you they aren't either, and for mqany people he succeeds. 

[paxxton]

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[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

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[quote]paxxton wrote...

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So, I'm currently in the middle of a playthrough of ME2, and I've concluded something. Even though I know I'm primarily a Paragon, I'm going to destroy the geth heretics. Why? Because if this experience has taught me anything, it's that death is better than having your head screwed with. At least in the ME universe. And besides, when you listen to what ParagonShep says, it sounds like, at least at first, he supports destroying the geth heretics.  It seems like a bit of a last minute reversal of opinion at the end of the mission to reprogram them.[/quote]
Legion is ok with rewriting though.[/quote]

However, I believe that the majority of its programs supported destroying the Heretics, though there was no concensus.

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And hence I decided to rewrite them in my main playthrough. For the sake of diversity I will destroy them this time.[/quote]

So... you decided to rewrite them because the majority of Legion's programs supported destroying them? 

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No. Because that decision was given me to make and I reasoned for the rewrite. Destroying the heretics would be barbaric because they cannot be treated as organics. They have their own capabilities which have to be taken into account.[/quote]

True, but if you're removing organic morality from the equation, then I would STILL choose to destroy them, since, if you ask me, it would be rather foolish to trust them when they've shown again and again that they can't be trusted.  See my reasoning with the ME3 endings.

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I trust Legion. He knows how to do the rewrite.[/quote]

He knows HOW to do the rewrite, but he even say that he has no idea WHAT exactly will happen.  All he knows is that it will cause the Heretics to return to the main faction of geth.  He doesn't, however, have any idea exactly what will happen after that. 

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I'll probably will have more to say when I finish that mission. [/quote]

Yeah, I will as well.  And it HAS been awhile since I've played that mission, so it's possible that I'm working on misremembered information.

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One more quote...[/quote]

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I am paxxton. And this pyramid is mine!

Modifié par paxxton, 19 décembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[lex0r11]

If one of you guys puts up another one of those quote pyramids..

[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

If one of you guys puts up another one of those quote pyramids..

Gah!  Scary face!  Repent!  The end is nigh! 

[BleedingUranium]

lex0r11 wrote...

If one of you guys puts up another one of those quote pyramids..

Let's start another, with this as the base

[paxxton]

lex0r11 wrote...

If one of you guys puts up another one of those quote pyramids..

Shepard shoots lasers from his eyes.

EDIT: Top with this.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 décembre 2012 - 04:34 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

If one of you guys puts up another one of those quote pyramids..

Let's start another, with this as the base

Lets build them with angry faces too.
http://ts3.mm.bing.n...213166&pid=15.1