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[Hanako Ikezawa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

They only do that because the Quarians threatened them with extermination. When you're backed into a corner and someone offers you a hand, you don't look at the hand but just take it.

Yeah, about that.

Why not run to, you know, more reliable allies for help? Why did it have to be the Reapers? Of all the species they could run to for help?

I mean, come on.

EDI states that the Geth have no allies to call on for support.

Surely if the Quarians were the aggressors, they could have found support with some of the organic races. They could have at least tried. You don't just surrender yourself to the Reapers like that.

But apparently submission was preferable to extinction for them. Sounds like a runtime error to me, because EDI explicitly states she does not believe that.

And with runtime error I mean Sovereign's influence still being there.

Some of you are assuming that synthetics can simply be un-indoctrinated, while organics can't. Yet somehow I don't believe the Reapers would make it that easy for us.

Remember how the Reaper code in the Geth consensus rewrites itself? And did you notice how the roots of the code actually can't be fully eradicated?

I think it's a major clue.

And I think making peace between Geth and Quarians might end up in disaster. You know, Reaper-code-based AI uploaded into Quarian suits? Zha'til anyone?

Call me paranoid, but I think Legion is going to bite the bullet in my current playthrough.

Luckily he makes it easy for you by attacking you from behind.

They couldn't for two reasons:
1) they are viewed as all being like the Heretics
2) The galaxy is under attack from sentient machines so not much support

Also, EDI is based off Reaper code, will she betray us as well?

[BansheeOwnage]

Fur28 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Santa is a Reaper that explains it.

I can see it now. Catalyst is Santa, and his Reapers are his raindeer. The husks/ Indoctrinated people are the elfs. The Citadle is his sled, and dark spaces is his North pole.

Santabringer: submit to me Shepard, or I will put you on the naughty list.

Shepard will confront the toughest decision yet: Saving the universe and having an orgy with every female in the universe or getting an autographed Blasto the Spectre action figure for x-mas

Are-you-kidding-me-that's-not-even WAIT! Every female???

yeah i could have said Female or male, but i´m an inconsiderate heterosexual bastard who uses a lesbian femshep:devil:
edit¨if you meant that your shepard wouldn´t do it with every female in the universe...... what if wrong with him/her

No problem with lesbian relationships. Just... not with everyone.

[Fur28]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
No problem with lesbian relationships. Just... not with everyone.

but remember this words of wisdom: "i´m only using you for your body", and ignore everything about their persona that disgusts you.... unless you dont like them because of their body then you´re a space-racist, and thats the worst kind /sarcasm

Modifié par Fur28, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:35 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

They only do that because the Quarians threatened them with extermination. When you're backed into a corner and someone offers you a hand, you don't look at the hand but just take it.

Yeah, about that.

Why not run to, you know, more reliable allies for help? Why did it have to be the Reapers? Of all the species they could run to for help?

I mean, come on.

EDI states that the Geth have no allies to call on for support.

Surely if the Quarians were the aggressors, they could have found support with some of the organic races. They could have at least tried. You don't just surrender yourself to the Reapers like that.

But apparently submission was preferable to extinction for them. Sounds like a runtime error to me, because EDI explicitly states she does not believe that.

And with runtime error I mean Sovereign's influence still being there.

Some of you are assuming that synthetics can simply be un-indoctrinated, while organics can't. Yet somehow I don't believe the Reapers would make it that easy for us.

Remember how the Reaper code in the Geth consensus rewrites itself? And did you notice how the roots of the code actually can't be fully eradicated?

I think it's a major clue.

And I think making peace between Geth and Quarians might end up in disaster. You know, Reaper-code-based AI uploaded into Quarian suits? Zha'til anyone?

Call me paranoid, but I think Legion is going to bite the bullet in my current playthrough.

Luckily he makes it easy for you by attacking you from behind.

They couldn't for two reasons:
1) they are viewed as all being like the Heretics
2) The galaxy is under attack from sentient machines so not much support

Also, EDI is based off Reaper code, will she betray us as well?

Hard to say. Some of the things she says sometimes worry me.

I posted an interesting conversation with EDI yesterday. At some point, you can tell her to ask herself if she would like to spend the rest of her days destroying and harvesting organics, upon which she says it is an interesting suggestion that she will take into consideration.

In any case, she does not seem to share the opinion that submission is preferable to extinction.

If we get a sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of our crew would eventually turn out to be indoctrinated.

As for the Geth being seen as the Heretics, Legion could have contacted Shepard. (S)he would understand. I mean, who you gonna call?

Yeah, the galaxy is under attack by sentient machines, let's ally ourselves with them, because that's obviously the smart thing to do!

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[Dwailing]

Actually, before I get off, I would like to say one last thing about the Heretics. One of the biggest questions about the geth is whether they are truly alive. The general consensus seems to be yes. In that case, would they have a right to freedom and a right to self determination? If so, then I would argue that, despite what Legion says, it would be unethical to reprogram them. To do so would be to infringe on that right. It is better to die as yourself than to be brainwashed. One breaks your body, the other, your spirit. I think I know which is worse, at least IMHO.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, before I get off, I would like to say one last thing about the Heretics. One of the biggest questions about the geth is whether they are truly alive. The general consensus seems to be yes. In that case, would they have a right to freedom and a right to self determination? If so, then I would argue that, despite what Legion says, it would be unethical to reprogram them. To do so would be to infringe on that right. It is better to die as yourself than to be brainwashed. One breaks your body, the other, your spirit. I think I know which is worse, at least IMHO.

Funny how the entirety of your crew agrees with that. But apparently, synthetics can simply be un-indoctrinated, and your crew members are wrong! (Unless they all tell you to destroy the Reapers, then they're right) <_<

Seems. legit.

EDIT: disclaimer: before anyone thinks I'm condescending - I am not 100% on my stance, I just like to question things. No offense to anyone - you know I respect you all.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:42 .

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hard to say. Some of the things she says sometimes worry me.

I posted an interesting conversation with EDI yesterday. At some point, you can tell her to ask herself if she would like to spend the rest of her days destroying and harvesting organics, upon which she says it is an interesting suggestion that she will take into consideration.

In any case, she does not seem to share the opinion that submission is preferable to extinction.

As for the Geth being seen as the Heretics, Legion could have contacted Shepard. (S)he would understand. I mean, who you gonna call?

I don't think I've heard the conversation, but if you tell her to ask herself if she would like to spend the rest of her days destroying and harvesting organics, and she says she will consider it, perhaps she simply means that you raised a good point?

I don't think Legion could contact Shepard. That seems almost impossible given the isolation of both parties.

Get it: party? Because Legion is 1183 people?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:44 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

They only do that because the Quarians threatened them with extermination. When you're backed into a corner and someone offers you a hand, you don't look at the hand but just take it.

Yeah, about that.

Why not run to, you know, more reliable allies for help? Why did it have to be the Reapers? Of all the species they could run to for help?

I mean, come on.

EDI states that the Geth have no allies to call on for support.

Surely if the Quarians were the aggressors, they could have found support with some of the organic races. They could have at least tried. You don't just surrender yourself to the Reapers like that.

But apparently submission was preferable to extinction for them. Sounds like a runtime error to me, because EDI explicitly states she does not believe that.

And with runtime error I mean Sovereign's influence still being there.

Some of you are assuming that synthetics can simply be un-indoctrinated, while organics can't. Yet somehow I don't believe the Reapers would make it that easy for us.

Remember how the Reaper code in the Geth consensus rewrites itself? And did you notice how the roots of the code actually can't be fully eradicated?

I think it's a major clue.

And I think making peace between Geth and Quarians might end up in disaster. You know, Reaper-code-based AI uploaded into Quarian suits? Zha'til anyone?

Call me paranoid, but I think Legion is going to bite the bullet in my current playthrough.

Luckily he makes it easy for you by attacking you from behind.

They couldn't for two reasons:
1) they are viewed as all being like the Heretics
2) The galaxy is under attack from sentient machines so not much support

Also, EDI is based off Reaper code, will she betray us as well?

Hard to say. Some of the things she says sometimes worry me.

I posted an interesting conversation with EDI yesterday. At some point, you can tell her to ask herself if she would like to spend the rest of her days destroying and harvesting organics, upon which she says it is an interesting suggestion that she will take into consideration.

In any case, she does not seem to share the opinion that submission is preferable to extinction.

If we get a sequel, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of our crew would eventually turn out to be indoctrinated.

As for the Geth being seen as the Heretics, Legion could have contacted Shepard. (S)he would understand. I mean, who you gonna call?

Yeah, the galaxy is under attack by sentient machines, let's ally ourselves with them, because that's obviously the smart thing to do!

I've never gotten that conversation. Where is it?

 As for the saquel, I'm still under the thought that it will be a century or sdo in the future so only Shepard's main choices will be imported, so alas that means that most of the squad will be dead.

The Geth didn't have time to contact Shepard. The Quarians were slaughtering them and "self-preservation took precedence", so apparently to the Geth anything is worth survival. Legion even stated such when asked that exact question of submission being preferable to extinction, "That is evidently an acceptable trade.".

And for the final bit, look at our history. We're at war with humans, let's ally with other humans to defeat those enemy humans.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hard to say. Some of the things she says sometimes worry me.

I posted an interesting conversation with EDI yesterday. At some point, you can tell her to ask herself if she would like to spend the rest of her days destroying and harvesting organics, upon which she says it is an interesting suggestion that she will take into consideration.

In any case, she does not seem to share the opinion that submission is preferable to extinction.

As for the Geth being seen as the Heretics, Legion could have contacted Shepard. (S)he would understand. I mean, who you gonna call?

I don't think I've heard the conversation, but if you tell her to ask herself if she would like to spend the rest of her days destroying and harvesting organics, and she says she will consider it, perhaps she simply means that you raised a good point?

I don't think Legion could contact Shepard. That seems almost impossible given the isolation of both parties.

Get it: party? Because Legion is 1183 people?

Re: the EDI conversation, it is extremely ambiguous. At face value, it would seem like you gave her an interesting ethical question to ponder, but!

Here's the thing: you can suggest three things. For the first two suggestions, she will ponder what you say and then adjust her protocols accordingly. But if you suggest the harvesting organics thing, she just ends with that line about interesting suggestion, and there's no follow up to it.

What's also worthy of note is that she thinks that the purpose of organic life is to 'preserve their genes'. (Through reproduction)

Yeah.

You can correct her on that in two ways, one of which has the aforementioned result.

It's a little hard to explain, because there's two branching points and I've explored three of them. I still have my save. I think tomorrow I'll check it out again. I'll make a more thorough description.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

I'm off for now guys, TTYL.

Goodnight! =)

[BansheeOwnage]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I'm off for now guys, TTYL.

Goodnight! =)

Me too. Goodnight.

[spotlessvoid]

Dammit

[Hanako Ikezawa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dammit

It's just you and me here, spotlessvoid.

[spotlessvoid]

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
But far more poeple want the ending "fixed" that left as is.

Hate to bring up that small vocal minority thing again, but the BSN only makes up a small portion of the total amount of people who actually play the game. In fact, most people are okay with the ending, bar a small portion of the playerbase who are vocal about it. Other thing is that if it was as bad as they say, then their sales would have suffered, both with the main game and the DLCs. So far, this game has sold 4.3 million copies and the DLCs have sold well.

I don't think that's true. Of the people who actually care enough to have an opinion, I still think the majority think it's a retarded ending. Many have moved on, but I say VERY FEW like the ending enough to be upset if it's changed.

[lex0r11]

I am watching you.

[Fur28]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dammit

It's just you and me here, spotlessvoid.

well... this is akward:?

[spotlessvoid]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dammit

It's just you and me here, spotlessvoid.

So this is how it ends then

[TJBartlemus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I'm off for now guys, TTYL.

Goodnight! =)

Me too. Goodnight.

 Just as I got here...

...now I'm leaving...

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 19 décembre 2012 - 06:11 .

[Fur28]

spotlessvoid wrote...

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
But far more poeple want the ending "fixed" that left as is.

Hate to bring up that small vocal minority thing again, but the BSN only makes up a small portion of the total amount of people who actually play the game. In fact, most people are okay with the ending, bar a small portion of the playerbase who are vocal about it. Other thing is that if it was as bad as they say, then their sales would have suffered, both with the main game and the DLCs. So far, this game has sold 4.3 million copies and the DLCs have sold well.

I don't think that's true. Of the people who actually care enough to have an opinion, I still think the majority think it's a retarded ending. Many have moved on, but I say VERY FEW like the ending enough to be upset if it's changed.

i only know one person who liked the ending, i did the mature thing, told him he was wrong and should feel bad about it, then we proceeded to play MW3

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fur28 wrote...
i only know one person who liked the ending, i did the mature thing, told him he was wrong and should feel bad about it, then we proceeded to play MW3

I don't remember that?

[Fur28]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i only know one person who liked the ending, i did the mature thing, told him he was wrong and should feel bad about it, then we proceeded to play MW3

I don't remember that?

dont remember what?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i only know one person who liked the ending, i did the mature thing, told him he was wrong and should feel bad about it, then we proceeded to play MW3

I don't remember that?

dont remember what?

You telling me that I was wrong and should feel bad that I liked the endings. Or are you referring to someone else?

[spotlessvoid]

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i only know one person who liked the ending, i did the mature thing, told him he was wrong and should feel bad about it, then we proceeded to play MW3

I don't remember that?

dont remember what?

He's saying he liked the ending, and since you only know one person who did then...well, you know

[Fur28]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i only know one person who liked the ending, i did the mature thing, told him he was wrong and should feel bad about it, then we proceeded to play MW3

I don't remember that?

dont remember what?

You telling me that I was wrong and should feel bad that I liked the endings. Or are you referring to someone else?

for Gods´sake. Do we have to go through this every month?.... *picks up neuralyzer* *put sunglasses on* *flash* your name is LDS Darth Revan, you like Mass Effect, and was never told to dislike the ending [whisper]because that would bring the apocalyse in 21/12[whisper ends]... yisus christ man i need to stop mentioning that

[Fur28]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
i only know one person who liked the ending, i did the mature thing, told him he was wrong and should feel bad about it, then we proceeded to play MW3

I don't remember that?

dont remember what?

He's saying he liked the ending, and since you only know one person who did then...well, you know

totally forgot he liked synthesis, i think, remembered when he replyed