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[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Edit- does this post have a soul by being on top? :ph34r:

No. But we should kill it with fire just for asking - to be sure. 

OMG!

[CoolioThane]

What seems to be slowing the thread this morning?

[demersel]

Soul searching.

[Rifneno]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@rif - there's a reason they used the subtle math error. If you think about how indoctrination works it is via subtle changes. So by changing something subtle yet dire and concering (to a geth who cant seem to get a mathematical answer correct no matter how many geth are used to analyze the problem) in the Geth consensus, Sovereign and the Reapers then have the ability to use the Geth religion about the Old Machines and exploit the Geth like they have

Plus by the way BioWare changed the problem slightly from the pentium error calculation. They used a slightly different number to create the 1.33381 number Legion explains. That's what's so concerning, the Geth calculations are supposed to be perfect and return 1.33382 but is a single value off

Are we going into the "were the geth indoctrinated?" question again. Because no. Geth cannot be indoctrinated. Geth can be hacked. Organics can be indoctrinated. Organics cannot be hacked. They may share some fundamental similarities, yes, but they are different.

Moreover, I don't believe Sovereign used any hacking or indoctrination. If he did, why did only a small fraction of the geth follow him? When the Reapers got control of the geth in ME3, they had control of all networked geth processes. What made only some geth vulnerable to Sovereign's supposed attack, and most of them were unaffected? Besides, there's a moral lesson to the story. As different as geth are from humans, we share some basic truths. Geth aren't all innocent little angels, nor are they all evil Terminators. Just like people, some are just good, some are just bad, and some just make bad decisions. Until I see any solid proof that Sovereign manipulated their minds, the heretics are responsible for their own evil. As big a fan as I am of Legion, it's not right to absolve the geth of wrongdoing on a completely unsupported notion that they were being controlled against their will.

And at the end of the day, the Pentium bug analogy is just that: an analogy. Legion specifically stated that neither result is an error. Both results are true for the geth that reached those conclusions. He's simply trying to put it into terms we can understand. He never implies that Sovereign was controlling the heretics beyond how any boss would order around an underling.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

I want to play as Hanar Infiltrator.

A cloaked Elcor would be hilarious 

Hanar Penetrator. ))))

would love to see the Yahg play a role in mp

Edit- does this post have a soul by being on top? :ph34r:

The only class that would have friendly fire....aside from everyone that pushes the reactor cooldown button while teammates are inside.(because that is still a thing and I thought it was taken away!)

[DaveTheRave05]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

volus Vanguard

God, I'm glad I quit MP. That's synthesis levels of retarded. It's hard to defend BW against "bad riteing lol" when they do pure, undiluted idiocy like that.

Actually, playing as a Volus is a lot of fun, and it's different. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Modifié par DaveTheRave05, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[demersel]

Reapers only were able to get control of all the geth because of Cerberus's Project Overlord.

[RavenEyry]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Actually, playing as a Volus is a lot of fun, and it's different. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Doesn't stop it being ridiculous.

[DaveTheRave05]

RavenEyry wrote...

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Actually, playing as a Volus is a lot of fun, and it's different. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Doesn't stop it being ridiculous.

Doesn't stop it being fun, either. Seriously, lighten up! 

[CoolioThane]

I need to get playing it some more

[DaveTheRave05]

Yup, it's pretty much the onl;y multiplayer I play now. Still waiting to see if they'll add anything Omega related. One part of the DLC screamed that it could be a MP map.

[Rifneno]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Actually, playing as a Volus is a lot of fun, and it's different. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Doesn't stop it being ridiculous.

Doesn't stop it being fun, either. Seriously, lighten up! 

It does stop it from being fun when you found the game fun because it wasn't a retarded joke.

[Sammuthegreat]

I could get my head around the Volus Engineer and Adept, but the Sentinel is ridiculous (for starters 3 Volus is too many, and secondly Sentinels are meant to be tough defensively) and the Vanguard is blatant comic-relief fanservice, which I loathe.

Saying that, I haven't played multiplayer in over a month now, so I guess it doesn't matter much to me.

[Rifneno]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I could get my head around the Volus Engineer and Adept, but the Sentinel is ridiculous (for starters 3 Volus is too many, and secondly Sentinels are meant to be tough defensively) and the Vanguard is blatant comic-relief fanservice, which I loathe.

Saying that, I haven't played multiplayer in over a month now, so I guess it doesn't matter much to me.

LOL, there's 4 now.  And we still only have 2 salarians.  But it's okay because "lighten up."  <eye roll>

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Rifneno wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@rif - there's a reason they used the subtle math error. If you think about how indoctrination works it is via subtle changes. So by changing something subtle yet dire and concering (to a geth who cant seem to get a mathematical answer correct no matter how many geth are used to analyze the problem) in the Geth consensus, Sovereign and the Reapers then have the ability to use the Geth religion about the Old Machines and exploit the Geth like they have

Plus by the way BioWare changed the problem slightly from the pentium error calculation. They used a slightly different number to create the 1.33381 number Legion explains. That's what's so concerning, the Geth calculations are supposed to be perfect and return 1.33382 but is a single value off

Are we going into the "were the geth indoctrinated?" question again. Because no. Geth cannot be indoctrinated. Geth can be hacked. Organics can be indoctrinated. Organics cannot be hacked. They may share some fundamental similarities, yes, but they are different.

Moreover, I don't believe Sovereign used any hacking or indoctrination. If he did, why did only a small fraction of the geth follow him? When the Reapers got control of the geth in ME3, they had control of all networked geth processes. What made only some geth vulnerable to Sovereign's supposed attack, and most of them were unaffected? Besides, there's a moral lesson to the story. As different as geth are from humans, we share some basic truths. Geth aren't all innocent little angels, nor are they all evil Terminators. Just like people, some are just good, some are just bad, and some just make bad decisions. Until I see any solid proof that Sovereign manipulated their minds, the heretics are responsible for their own evil. As big a fan as I am of Legion, it's not right to absolve the geth of wrongdoing on a completely unsupported notion that they were being controlled against their will.

And at the end of the day, the Pentium bug analogy is just that: an analogy. Legion specifically stated that neither result is an error. Both results are true for the geth that reached those conclusions. He's simply trying to put it into terms we can understand. He never implies that Sovereign was controlling the heretics beyond how any boss would order around an underling.

I think Sovereigns original approach towards the Geth was pure, but he Hacked / altered the Geth who followed him. Most likley through upgrades which the Heretics accepted from Sovereign. Essentially he got as many allies as he could by playing nice and then subverted them to insure their loyalty.

Not unlike Saren, who Sovereign tricked into thinking he could survive if he helped Sovereign and then sealed the grip with Indoctrination.

[DaveTheRave05]

Rifneno wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I could get my head around the Volus Engineer and Adept, but the Sentinel is ridiculous (for starters 3 Volus is too many, and secondly Sentinels are meant to be tough defensively) and the Vanguard is blatant comic-relief fanservice, which I loathe.

Saying that, I haven't played multiplayer in over a month now, so I guess it doesn't matter much to me.

LOL, there's 4 now.  And we still only have 2 salarians.  But it's okay because "lighten up."  <eye roll>

Yes, lighten up. Highly recommend you do it, will improve your life significantly.

It does stop it from being fun when you found the game fun because it wasn't a retarded joke.

Then don't play it. Simple as.

[Rifneno]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I could get my head around the Volus Engineer and Adept, but the Sentinel is ridiculous (for starters 3 Volus is too many, and secondly Sentinels are meant to be tough defensively) and the Vanguard is blatant comic-relief fanservice, which I loathe.

Saying that, I haven't played multiplayer in over a month now, so I guess it doesn't matter much to me.

LOL, there's 4 now.  And we still only have 2 salarians.  But it's okay because "lighten up."  <eye roll>

Yes, lighten up. Highly recommend you do it, will improve your life significantly.

It does stop it from being fun when you found the game fun because it wasn't a retarded joke.

Then don't play it. Simple as.

- "Lighten up" is all any volus defender ever seems to puke up in defense of that nonsense.  Hence why it's mocked.
- I don't.  I see you paid as much attention to the conversation as ME's lore.

[DaveTheRave05]

Nonsense? So it's perfectly fine to have every other race in the Mass Effect universe playable in the multiplayer, all the Krogan, Salarian, Asari, Turian, Vorcha, Batarian, Humas as far as the eye can see, but as soon as the Volus are put in? Oh no, it's nonsense! Never mind the fact that the Volus actually have a small military force, never mind the fact that they support any war the Turians fight in, INCLUDING THIS ONE, never mind that they have Volus bombers you can acquire in the single player, never mind that even though they're not the most formidable race in the galaxy, they will fight regardless. No, no, despite the fact that thematically it makes more sense to have the Volus included in the multiplayer besides 'LOLZ FANSERVICE', compared to everything else, it's nonsense. You're totally right, and everyone should listen to you because you're so right about everything.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, in the same way that people wanted to play as all the other races, that people WANTED to play as the Volus? You've given up on multiplayer, so I can tell you, I've seen more people play as Volus than Salarians or Krogans. Bioware added them to make something different, and hey, clearly it works. Maybe if you played multiplayer, or hell the game in general, rather than rag on about how awful everything is, you'd come to appreciate it rather than look like a douche.

So do us all a favour; don't rag on everyone else's fun and criticize aspects of a game you no longer play just to get your jollies off. Thanks.

[RavenEyry]

Volus fighting in wars is fine. Volus waddling onto the front line blowing everyone away with their biotic powers is ludicrous. Next there'll be an elcor infiltrator.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

Volus fighting in wars is fine. Volus waddling onto the front line blowing everyone away with their biotic powers is ludicrous. Next there'll be an elcor infiltrator.

Elcor Vanguard would be hilarious.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Volus fighting in wars is fine. Volus waddling onto the front line blowing everyone away with their biotic powers is ludicrous. Next there'll be an elcor infiltrator.

Elcor Vanguard would be hilarious.

I don't care how funny or fun to play something would be. If it doesn't fit, it shouldn't be there.

Let's add the US Elephant Rider Corps to the next CoD! It'll be hilarious! [/sarcasm]

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

Volus fighting in wars is fine. Volus waddling onto the front line blowing everyone away with their biotic powers is ludicrous. Next there'll be an elcor infiltrator.

Considering we do know (certain) Volus can use Biotics, what exactly is stopping a Volus from blowing someone away with Biotic power if he has enough skill? Also most of the Volus abilities are supportive, even the Biotic orbs seem more intended to act as support for detonating Biotic explosions or weakening the enemy (if you choose that upgrade).

Though to be fair i do consider Volus Vanguard hilariously stupid.

[Rifneno]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Nonsense? So it's perfectly fine to have every other race in the Mass Effect universe playable in the multiplayer, all the Krogan, Salarian, Asari, Turian, Vorcha, Batarian, Humas as far as the eye can see, but as soon as the Volus are put in? Oh no, it's nonsense! Never mind the fact that the Volus actually have a small military force, never mind the fact that they support any war the Turians fight in, INCLUDING THIS ONE, never mind that they have Volus bombers you can acquire in the single player, never mind that even though they're not the most formidable race in the galaxy, they will fight regardless. No, no, despite the fact that thematically it makes more sense to have the Volus included in the multiplayer besides 'LOLZ FANSERVICE', compared to everything else, it's nonsense. You're totally right, and everyone should listen to you because you're so right about everything.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, in the same way that people wanted to play as all the other races, that people WANTED to play as the Volus? You've given up on multiplayer, so I can tell you, I've seen more people play as Volus than Salarians or Krogans. Bioware added them to make something different, and hey, clearly it works. Maybe if you played multiplayer, or hell the game in general, rather than rag on about how awful everything is, you'd come to appreciate it rather than look like a douche.

So do us all a favour; don't rag on everyone else's fun and criticize aspects of a game you no longer play just to get your jollies off. Thanks.

Read the goddamn lore.  Talk to the butterball ambassador in ME1 and Avina.  Oh, the volus are only kept off the Council because they can't do these type of missions?  Let's toss that **** out the window, because Billy Doesn'tread wants to play a joke!  lulz1  Because flying a bomber is exactly the same as elite strike ops missions.  JFC, what kind of acid do you have to drop to come to THAT conclusion?  Flying a spaceship means you can hold your own next to a krogan battlemaster.  I guess Joker needs to get off his lazy ass and shatter some legs at the Reapers.  Clearly he's the equal of an asari commando in your mind, because he can fly a ship!  My God.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  Seriously.

And I'll rag on whatever the hell I want.  Get over it.

[RavenEyry]

Volus bombers actually make sense. If I was a short and fat race with breathing difficulties I'd prefer carpet bombing to spec ops in my wars.
Edit: Rif says it better.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 19 décembre 2012 - 01:49 .

[Rifneno]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Volus fighting in wars is fine. Volus waddling onto the front line blowing everyone away with their biotic powers is ludicrous. Next there'll be an elcor infiltrator.

Considering we do know (certain) Volus can use Biotics, what exactly is stopping a Volus from blowing someone away with Biotic power if he has enough skill? Also most of the Volus abilities are supportive, even the Biotic orbs seem more intended to act as support for detonating Biotic explosions or weakening the enemy (if you choose that upgrade).

Though to be fair i do consider Volus Vanguard hilariously stupid.

WRONG!  Red sand gives anyone very minor biotic powers, whether they're a real biotic or not.  Did you see him try to fight the asari merc?  Guess which category fatso fit into.