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[paxxton]

We've already gotten our Christmas Gifts from BioWare so I doubt there's going to be an IT reveal this year.

[DaveTheRave05]

Rifneno wrote...

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Nonsense? So it's perfectly fine to have every other race in the Mass Effect universe playable in the multiplayer, all the Krogan, Salarian, Asari, Turian, Vorcha, Batarian, Humas as far as the eye can see, but as soon as the Volus are put in? Oh no, it's nonsense! Never mind the fact that the Volus actually have a small military force, never mind the fact that they support any war the Turians fight in, INCLUDING THIS ONE, never mind that they have Volus bombers you can acquire in the single player, never mind that even though they're not the most formidable race in the galaxy, they will fight regardless. No, no, despite the fact that thematically it makes more sense to have the Volus included in the multiplayer besides 'LOLZ FANSERVICE', compared to everything else, it's nonsense. You're totally right, and everyone should listen to you because you're so right about everything.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, in the same way that people wanted to play as all the other races, that people WANTED to play as the Volus? You've given up on multiplayer, so I can tell you, I've seen more people play as Volus than Salarians or Krogans. Bioware added them to make something different, and hey, clearly it works. Maybe if you played multiplayer, or hell the game in general, rather than rag on about how awful everything is, you'd come to appreciate it rather than look like a douche.

So do us all a favour; don't rag on everyone else's fun and criticize aspects of a game you no longer play just to get your jollies off. Thanks.

Read the goddamn lore.  Talk to the butterball ambassador in ME1 and Avina.  Oh, the volus are only kept off the Council because they can't do these type of missions?  Let's toss that **** out the window, because Billy Doesn'tread wants to play a joke!  lulz1  Because flying a bomber is exactly the same as elite strike ops missions.  JFC, what kind of acid do you have to drop to come to THAT conclusion?  Flying a spaceship means you can hold your own next to a krogan battlemaster.  I guess Joker needs to get off his lazy ass and shatter some legs at the Reapers.  Clearly he's the equal of an asari commando in your mind, because he can fly a ship!  My God.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  Seriously.

And I'll rag on whatever the hell I want.  Get over it.

Done. Done. Done. And hey, I can still accept that Volus can fight alongside other races, because I don't limit myself as much as you do. You ever thought about taking your nose out of the lore you cling so desperately to and think that maybe the Volus, in spite of their lack of military strength compared to other races, WANT to fight in the war? Oh no, wait, you're always right, so of course they don't. The lore dictates your very understanding. By that stance, they should rewrite Lord Of The Rings so that Frodo doesn't take the ring to be destroyed, or that Merry and Pippin can't fight with Gondor, because the LORE says that Hobbits are a purely peaceful race and never want to get involved in outside affairs, not because they WANT to or anything!

Don't tell me I should be ashamed with myself when clearly you have your head so firmly stuck up your own arse that you have to point out mistakes or inconsistencies when something entirely plausible is presented to them, diving into their lorebook to try and make them look bigger whilst belittling anyone who doesn't agree with them. Maybe if you broaden your horizons and see that Volus having a ground force, no matter how little or insignifcant it may seem next to Turians, Krogans, etc, yet in spite of that STILL WANT TO FIGHT, then maybe you'd look less of a self-glorifying ****.

Oh, and seeing as you didn't read it, Volus will fight alongside Turians and vice versa, due to the Volus being a client state to the Turians. So yes, it is plausible before you shoot me down like you inevitably will.

[RavenEyry]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...
Done. Done. Done. And hey, I can still accept that Volus can fight alongside other races, because I don't limit myself as much as you do. You ever thought about taking your nose out of the lore you cling so desperately to and think that maybe the Volus, in spite of their lack of military strength compared to other races, WANT to fight in the war? Oh no, wait, you're always right, so of course they don't. The lore dictates your very understanding. By that stance, they should rewrite Lord Of The Rings so that Frodo doesn't take the ring to be destroyed, or that Merry and Pippin can't fight with Gondor, because the LORE says that Hobbits are a purely peaceful race and never want to get involved in outside affairs, not because they WANT to or anything!

No one ever said they can't fight, just not as front line infantry.

The problem is not volus fighting in the war, the problem is volus fighting in elite strike teams.

Also you're in a thread with heavy lore discussion. Getting offended at any mention of the lore is more ridiculous than volus vanguards.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[DaveTheRave05]

Modifié par DaveTheRave05, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:26 .

[DaveTheRave05]

RavenEyry wrote...

DaveTheRave05 wrote...
Done. Done. Done. And hey, I can still accept that Volus can fight alongside other races, because I don't limit myself as much as you do. You ever thought about taking your nose out of the lore you cling so desperately to and think that maybe the Volus, in spite of their lack of military strength compared to other races, WANT to fight in the war? Oh no, wait, you're always right, so of course they don't. The lore dictates your very understanding. By that stance, they should rewrite Lord Of The Rings so that Frodo doesn't take the ring to be destroyed, or that Merry and Pippin can't fight with Gondor, because the LORE says that Hobbits are a purely peaceful race and never want to get involved in outside affairs, not because they WANT to or anything!

No one ever said they can't fight, just not as front line infantry.

The problem is not volus fighting in the war, the problem is volus fighting in elite strike teams.

Also you're in a thread with heavy lore discussion. Getting offended at any mention of the lore is more ridiculous than volus vanguards.

I'm not getting offended by it. It's just the fact that from a
thematic point of view, given the fact that the whole galaxy is at war,
it's not impossible to conceive that Volus can fight, front line or not.


Sorry if it came off  that way. I get a bit passionate when I
argue, especially when numbnuts call me nonsensical or tell me I should
be 'ashamed' of myself for voicing an opinion.

Modifié par DaveTheRave05, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:26 .

[CoolioThane]

What christmas gifts did BW give us?

[RavenEyry]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

I'm not getting offended by it. It's just the fact that from a thematic point of view, given the fact that the whole galaxy is at war, it's not impossible to conceive that Volus to fight,  front line or not.

But multiplayer isn't the full scale war. It's hand picked units for special insertion missions. You don't even nead to read about the volus to know they wont be involved, no matter how much they want to.

[DaveTheRave05]

CoolioThane wrote...

What christmas gifts did BW give us?

MP stuff. Three new classes, two purchase packs, all hazard maps available til new year. No challenge weekends over the Xmas/New Year period, though.

And no news on the DLC or IT...just to get this topic back on track...

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

DaveTheRave05 wrote...
Done. Done. Done. And hey, I can still accept that Volus can fight alongside other races, because I don't limit myself as much as you do. You ever thought about taking your nose out of the lore you cling so desperately to and think that maybe the Volus, in spite of their lack of military strength compared to other races, WANT to fight in the war? Oh no, wait, you're always right, so of course they don't. The lore dictates your very understanding. By that stance, they should rewrite Lord Of The Rings so that Frodo doesn't take the ring to be destroyed, or that Merry and Pippin can't fight with Gondor, because the LORE says that Hobbits are a purely peaceful race and never want to get involved in outside affairs, not because they WANT to or anything!

No one ever said they can't fight, just not as front line infantry.

The problem is not volus fighting in the war, the problem is volus fighting in elite strike teams.

Also you're in a thread with heavy lore discussion. Getting offended at any mention of the lore is more ridiculous than volus vanguards.

I agree with Dave that every species, however incapable as a whole to fight in the war, have at least a few individuals who may be exceptionally proficient with ARs or sniper rifles. I wouldn't dismiss all volus as useless jokes of a soldier. Even if they seem funny in MP, they deserve to get a chance. Elcor Vanguards too.

[paxxton]

CoolioThane wrote...

What christmas gifts did BW give us?

All hazards maps are unlocked for the remainder of 2012. + new characters have been unlocked in MP.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[DaveTheRave05]

RavenEyry wrote...

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

I'm not getting offended by it. It's just the fact that from a thematic point of view, given the fact that the whole galaxy is at war, it's not impossible to conceive that Volus to fight,  front line or not.

But multiplayer isn't the full scale war. It's hand picked units for special insertion missions. You don't even nead to read about the volus to know they wont be involved, no matter how much they want to.

I always saw that the multiplayer was the war outside of the single player. The maps are playable in single player, then they have to be 'defended' in multiplayer. Plus the whole war-readiness aspect of it all.

And like I said, Volus will fight alongside Turians and vice versa. Even in the MP is not tied with the singe player, that will have a part to play.

[Rifneno]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Done. Done. Done. And hey, I can still accept that Volus can fight alongside other races, because I don't limit myself as much as you do

Yeah, my Internet name doesn't rhyme, woe is me.

You ever thought about taking your nose out of the lore you cling so desperately to and think that maybe the Volus, in spite of their lack of military strength compared to other races, WANT to fight in the war?

You came into THIS thread and want to throw away lore? What's your blood-alcohol level?

Who gives a damn what they WANT to do? This is about what they're PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OF DOING. There's a reason that we've never seen a volus so much as hold a gun in 3 games of single player.

Oh no, wait, you're always right, so of course they don't.

It's easy to be right all the time when arguing with people like you.

The lore dictates your very understanding. By that stance, they should rewrite Lord Of The Rings so that Frodo doesn't take the ring to be destroyed, or that Merry and Pippin can't fight with Gondor, because the LORE says that Hobbits are a purely peaceful race and never want to get involved in outside affairs, not because they WANT to or anything!

The best analogy you could come up with was saying halflings don't care if the world ends? It says a lot that you immediately had to go to a magic-based world, but to even suck with that analogy? That's talent.

Don't tell me I should be ashamed with myself when clearly you have your head so firmly stuck up your own arse that you have to point out mistakes or inconsistencies when something entirely plausible is presented to them, diving into their lorebook to try and make them look bigger whilst belittling anyone who doesn't agree with them.

The fact that you think a race based around Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle (if Stevie were to pop like a water balloon should he ever get shot) playing a sentinel is entirely plausible is a better argument for school reform than I've ever heard from a politician.

Maybe if you broaden your horizons and see that Volus having a ground force, no matter how little or insignifcant it may seem next to Turians, Krogans, etc, yet in spite of that STILL WANT TO FIGHT, then maybe you'd look less of a self-glorifying ****.

Once again, who gives a rat's ass what they want? Make it so that they can't sprint and move so slow that they literally can't outrun a banshee, and make it so the first suit puncture takes them out for the entire rest of the game because they EXPLODED, and fine. Then it can be a matter of them "wanting to fight". Until they follow the lore set out by 3 games, it's not about what they WANT.

Oh, and seeing as you didn't read it, Volus will fight alongside Turians and vice versa, due to the Volus being a client state to the Turians. So yes, it is plausible before you shoot me down like you inevitably will.

Because there's no possible way they could be assisting the turians except as goddamn vanguards. Right.

[DaveTheRave05]

Who gives a damn what they WANT to do?

The people who play the game you stopped playing maybe? The people who don't restrict themselves to thinking outside the box?

It's clear that you won't have a actual discussion about this. Taking shots at my name and accepting that you must always be right? Yep, jollies have been had. So I'm not gonna waste my time anymore, even if that action alone gives you more jollies. I'd rather have civil discussions than give you the time of day. Enjoy being who you are. I personally feel exceptionally sorry for you.

[Rifneno]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Who gives a damn what they WANT to do?

The people who play the game you stopped playing maybe? The people who don't restrict themselves to thinking outside the box?

It's clear that you won't have a actual discussion about this. Taking shots at my name and accepting that you must always be right? Yep, jollies have been had. So I'm not gonna waste my time anymore, even if that action alone gives you more jollies. I'd rather have civil discussions than give you the time of day. Enjoy being who you are. I personally feel exceptionally sorry for you.

I still play ME3 all the time.  Just not the Deception crap MP.  If you'll notice, this is not the MP forum.  But more importantly, you do realize that you forfeit the right to play the "civility" card after calling someone a "self-glorifying ****", right?

...  Right?

...  <sigh>  Of course not.  Why would you...

[RavenEyry]

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Who gives a damn what they WANT to do?

The people who play the game you stopped playing maybe? The people who don't restrict themselves to thinking outside the box?

It's clear that you won't have a actual discussion about this. Taking shots at my name and accepting that you must always be right? Yep, jollies have been had. So I'm not gonna waste my time anymore, even if that action alone gives you more jollies. I'd rather have civil discussions than give you the time of day. Enjoy being who you are. I personally feel exceptionally sorry for you.

You feel sorry for him because he hates when MP breaks lore for the lolz? You never even tried to have a civil discussion and now you're going to end the argument by giving yourself the undeserved moral highground?

Which one of you I should feel sorry for is very indistinct at the moment.

[ElSuperGecko]

RavenEyry wrote...
No one ever said they can't fight, just not as front line infantry.

The problem is not volus fighting in the war, the problem is volus fighting in elite strike teams...

...which they're not.

RavenEyry wrote...
But multiplayer isn't the full scale war. It's hand picked units for special insertion missions. You don't even nead to read about the volus to know they wont be involved, no matter how much they want to.

...no it's not.


N7 Special Ops Team:

No species can remain neutral during the Reaper conflict. Allied forces are recruiting anyone, soldier or mercenary, smart, fast, and tough enough to survive galactic war. The most experienced operatives form squads to secure objectives, evacuate civilians, and battle Cerberus or the Reapers deep in enemy territory. Initially led by N7 Alliance marines, these squads have been nicknamed the N7 Special Ops. In light of these teams' exemplary service and remarkable bravery, the Alliance has allowed this unofficial name to spread across the ranks as a sign of respect for their efforts.

NO SPECIES.  ANYONE.  UNOFFICIAL.

Rif is wrong.  Raven is wrong.  Volus are perfectly acceptable in multiplayer, end of debate.  Back on topic?

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:50 .

[RavenEyry]

Eh fine. Still ridiculous that they're not impossibly hard to play.

Edit: Oh wait, just found this line in your post "The most experienced operatives form squads to secure objectives,
evacuate civilians, and battle Cerberus or the Reapers deep in enemy
territory."

So yeah, what we have in MP ARE elite strikeforces.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Rifneno]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
No one ever said they can't fight, just not as front line infantry.

The problem is not volus fighting in the war, the problem is volus fighting in elite strike teams...

...which they're not.

RavenEyry wrote...
But multiplayer isn't the full scale war. It's hand picked units for special insertion missions. You don't even nead to read about the volus to know they wont be involved, no matter how much they want to.

...no it's not.


N7 Special Ops Team:

No species can remain neutral during the Reaper conflict. Allied forces are recruiting anyone, soldier or mercenary, smart, fast, and tough enough to survive galactic war. The most experienced operatives form squads to secure objectives, evacuate civilians, and battle Cerberus or the Reapers deep in enemy territory. Initially led by N7 Alliance marines, these squads have been nicknamed the N7 Special Ops. In light of these teams' exemplary service and remarkable bravery, the Alliance has allowed this unofficial name to spread across the ranks as a sign of respect for their efforts.

NO SPECIES.  ANYONE.  UNOFFICIAL.

Rif is wrong.  Raven is wrong.  Volus are perfectly acceptable in multiplayer, end of debate.  Back on topic?

If you think a species that moves like cold molasses and literally explodes at a suit puncture is "smart, fast, and tough enough to survive galactic war"...  You know what, screw it.  Just suck less.  I'm bored with this stupidity.  It's worse than the conventional victory crap.

[DaveTheRave05]

RavenEyry wrote...

DaveTheRave05 wrote...

Who gives a damn what they WANT to do?

The people who play the game you stopped playing maybe? The people who don't restrict themselves to thinking outside the box?

It's clear that you won't have a actual discussion about this. Taking shots at my name and accepting that you must always be right? Yep, jollies have been had. So I'm not gonna waste my time anymore, even if that action alone gives you more jollies. I'd rather have civil discussions than give you the time of day. Enjoy being who you are. I personally feel exceptionally sorry for you.

You feel sorry for him because he hates when MP breaks lore for the lolz? You never even tried to have a civil discussion and now you're going to end the argument by giving yourself the undeserved moral highground?

Which one of you I should feel sorry for is very indistinct at the moment.

Like I said, done, got too passionate, hold my hands up.

[CoolioThane]

But Volus aren't fast or tough enough...

[Rifneno]

CoolioThane wrote...

But Volus aren't fast or tough enough...

I like this human, he understands!

[ElSuperGecko]

Rifneno wrote...
If you think a species that moves like cold molasses and literally explodes at a suit puncture is "smart, fast, and tough enough to survive galactic war"...  You know what, screw it.  Just suck less.  I'm bored with this stupidity.  It's worse than the conventional victory crap.

Oh noes!  Someone's lost their sense of humourz!  Because someone's nevah seen a Volus soldier in action that obviously means they can't and don't exist, right?

Just suck less.  I take it you've never heard of shields?  Barriers?  Tech/Biotic amps?  Never thought that the Volus - as a race heavily reliant on trading - might have access to stockpiles of the best and most effective equipment out there?

Let alone with the fact that as we've seen repeatedly throughout the course of the game, the Reaper war has spread across the entire galaxy, with entire cities and worlds plunged into conflict.  it's no longer just the "front line military" fighting, but effectively anyone capable of holding and firing a gun.  Stick that one in your lore pipe and smoke it.

But yeah, citizens struggling for survival, fighting alongside law enforcement, militia and regular armed forces is just stupid.  It never happens, right?

[RavenEyry]

Volus being able to fight does not mean volus are cut out for the special insertion missions. They're not doing well at recruiting everyone and anyone if the best of the best among the recruits fall over with a light push.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

Volus being able to fight does not mean volus are cut out for the special insertion missions. They're not doing well at recruiting everyone and anyone if the best of the best among the recruits fall over with a light push.

Volus can act as mobile shield regenerators for other squaddies.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:13 .

[Rifneno]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
If you think a species that moves like cold molasses and literally explodes at a suit puncture is "smart, fast, and tough enough to survive galactic war"...  You know what, screw it.  Just suck less.  I'm bored with this stupidity.  It's worse than the conventional victory crap.

Oh noes!  Someone's lost their sense of humourz!  Because someone's nevah seen a Volus soldier in action that obviously means they can't and don't exist, right?

Just suck less.  I take it you've never heard of shields?  Barriers?  Tech/Biotic amps?  Never thought that the Volus - as a race heavily reliant on trading - might have access to stockpiles of the best and most effective equipment out there?

Let alone with the fact that as we've seen repeatedly throughout the course of the game, the Reaper war has spread across the entire galaxy, with entire cities and worlds plunged into conflict.  it's no longer just the "front line military" fighting, but effectively anyone capable of holding and firing a gun.  Stick that one in your lore pipe and smoke it.

But yeah, citizens struggling for survival, fighting alongside law enforcement, militia and regular armed forces is just stupid.  It never happens, right?

JFC.  How many times must this be said?  IT'S NOT ABOUT WANTING TO FIGHT.  IT'S ABOUT THE ABILITY TO DO SO.  It's a simple concept.  So very simple.  How is it so hard for you to understand?  I feel like I'm trying to explain quantum physics to a cheese wheel.  "But they want to fight, and wanting to fight means you can move at whatever speed is necessary to fight!"  ...  Where's Sevial?  I think I need some more intelligent conversation now.