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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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ThisOneIsPunny

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Dwailing wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Well this is.. not what i was expecting to see everyone talking about???


Are you kidding?  This sort of thing is the MAIN thing the thread talks about anymore.  At least, until DLC comes out.  I mean, we have made discoveries during Mark III, but in many ways, this has been the thread equivalent of a Breather Episode.  We've had trolls, but not as many, and only one has been as bad as the old ones; we've made discoveries, but not as many as before; and we've spent a lot more time just chilling and chatting.  Mark IV, though, will be a different matter entirely.  I'm guessing the truth, whatever it is, will be revealed either during Mark IV or right after Mark V starts.

Most things are a given(And March will be here soon. SOON.JPG), i just.. highschool?? teenage years?? 

I am glad that mostly everyone tends to swap stories and hang out together, though. 

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Blurr until a volus get's put down in a gold match, and you have to run infront of a Geth prime because your team mates are telling you that inorder to beat Gold/ the Geth we need that volus.

Yet I just walked away. And I was the lastone standing, and just by luck I got out of the match alive.

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So the child does not want Shepard's help, yet at the end of the game. The catalyst takes the form of the child. Symbolizing he/it doesn't need help. So really the chocies are mainly test, but if Shepard fails the test then your Shepard is done, but if you passed the test, then your Shepard lives/ playable.

#70204
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Ah I see now.

Control Shepard's story is over.
Synthesis Shepard's story is over.
Destroy Shepard's story is not over.
Refuse/reject Shepard's story is over.

And isn't it funny that Hackett does not talk about Shepard at all. I mean EDI at least talks about Shepard, and Control Shepard talks about the old Shepard. Yet Hackett no talk about The Shepard.

#70205
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Huh, that was weird.

I opened my bookmarks, and somehow a link to a video of the Control ending ended up bookmarked.

How odd.

#70206
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Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.

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masster blaster wrote...

So the child does not want Shepard's help, yet at the end of the game. The catalyst takes the form of the child. Symbolizing he/it doesn't need help. So really the chocies are mainly test, but if Shepard fails the test then your Shepard is done, but if you passed the test, then your Shepard lives/ playable.

Samara: We'll both be tested in fire soon enough.

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masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.


I believe the term is ConTrolls.

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I see what you did there byne, well I am off. Have a history test over the old world, and the new world, so night everyone.

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Very true Bill. Okay now going to cyro sleep.

#70211
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Someone on PC needs to get a screenshot of the indoctrination device as a present now! Posted Image

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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.


I believe the term is ConTrolls.

What the term for Synthesis-supporters?

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.


I believe the term is ConTrolls.

What the term for Synthesis-supporters?


Synthesizers?

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Hanako Ikezawa

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Hrothdane wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.


I believe the term is ConTrolls.

What the term for Synthesis-supporters?


Synthesizers?

I meant is there a funny one, like how controllers have ConTrolls.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.


I believe the term is ConTrolls.

What the term for Synthesis-supporters?


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Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:29 .


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Damn you LDS you actually made me feel a tiny shred of guilt for making fun of synthesis supporters. You're ruining it for me.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:35 .


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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.


I believe the term is ConTrolls.

What the term for Synthesis-supporters?


Synthesizers?

I meant is there a funny one, like how controllers have ConTrolls.


Maybe Synthehusks? (They ARE indoctrinated)

#70218
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this thread is a filibuster put on by people who are in denial. Let it go guys, you're indoctrinated!

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:37 .


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Autonomous, self-propelled, biodegradable indoctrination boosters

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Biotic Sage wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this thread is a filibuster for people in denial. Let it go guys, you're indoctrinated!


Nuh-uh

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Hanako Ikezawa

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Damn you LDS you actually made me feel a tiny shred of guilt for making fun of synthesis supporters. You're ruining it for me.

If it makes you feel better, I don't support Synthesis anymore.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Damn you LDS you actually made me feel a tiny shred of guilt for making fun of synthesis supporters. You're ruining it for me.

If it makes you feel better, I don't support Synthesis anymore.


Then my original answer stands. Also, congratulations.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Damn you LDS you actually made me feel a tiny shred of guilt for making fun of synthesis supporters. You're ruining it for me.

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Thx again Lex! Posted Image (He made this, just in case it wasn't clear) Posted Image

Modifié par Arashi08, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:42 .


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OK, I just want to say one last thing before I call it a night. Since we've brought up the kid, has anyone thought about what the kid on Earth could actually represent? I mean, besides Shepard's guilt. Here's my hypothesis.

The kid is a hallucination from the start, and his dialogue is meant to symbolize that Sheoard is not ready to be fully indoctrinated. Yet. Think about it. Probably the main kid line is, "You can't help me." This could mean that Shepard is not yet ready. What does the kid then do when you see him at th end? He asks Shepard to help him find a new solution. Remember, it's, "We find a new solution," not, "You find a new solution." The kid is telling Shepard to do that which the kid did not permit before, give him help. And right after that? He talks about Destroy, how bad it is, and how it's not a solution to the kid's problem. It doesn't "help" him, which would be a big deal, subconsciously, to Shepard, who still blames himself for not being able to help the kid, as shown by the dreams.

Again, think back. What's the first thing Shepard says after hearing the kid describe Destroy? "There must be another way." Now, it's possible that Shepard is starting to reconsider wanting to destroy the Reapers because of the geth and EDI, but I think another part of it is that he doesn't want to "fail" the kid again.

Now, there might be one final layer here. It has to do with Synthesis. This, as we all know, is the kid's preferred ending. His final solution (See what I did there? Gotta love Godwin's Law.). Now, there's really not much more I can say beyond this. The kid gives the option because he knows Shepard doesn't want to fail him. And in Control, Shepard is still going to replace him. It's quite possible that Shepard is now having a hard time deciding what to do because he knows that either way, the kid ceases to exist. So, in order to speed Shepard on his merry, indoctrinated way, the kid gives a third choice. A choice where the kid does not die, and Shepard helps him to achieve his "perfect" solution. A choice custom tailored for Shepard, who more than anything else, at least at first, just longs for a chance to go back and help that poor boy from Earth.

Now, I apologize if this gets difficult to follow at any point. It IS 12:41 am here, and I'm rather tired. I just figured I should share this since it's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. I think tomorrow I'll put it in the form of a blog post, which will help me to refine it a bit.

Edit: YES!  Top with a great (I think) post that's on topic!  And it's a wall of text (At least on my phone), too.

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:44 .


#70225
Hanako Ikezawa

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spotlessvoid wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Damn you LDS you actually made me feel a tiny shred of guilt for making fun of synthesis supporters. You're ruining it for me.

If it makes you feel better, I don't support Synthesis anymore.


Then my original answer stands. Also, congratulations.

Why thank you, kind sir/madam.