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[TJBartlemus]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Masster, you should also bold the bottom of your codex quote that says:

"An asari matriarch was once quoted to have suggested creating new relays, but the potential for current era technology to do so is unknown."

Done.

You know who that matriarch is? Liara's "father". She was the bartender in ME2 on Illium. She even in a discussion with Shepard in ME2 confirms that she was the one who suggested the new relays. Only in ME3 do we learn that she is Liara's parent. It's pretty mindblowing. 

*Resists saying "Duh"*

Yes, Aethyta (think that's spelled right). And actually, you learn it in LotSB, if you look in the right places.

*sigh* I was just saying it for those who didn't know. 

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

I'm pretty sure that only the core of the Reaper resembles the species they made the Reaper from, and the core gets covered in the cuttlefish armor, which is why most Reapers look the same.

How would that work with the Human Reaper? Besides over the thousands of cycles and even in this cycle, there is a lot of variety. So I don't think that idea would be practical.... 

You want the real reason for that tidbit?

Bioware bit off more than they could chew, found they didn't have the time to design all new entirely unique Reaper chassis, and gave that as a excuse.

In other words, retcon.

Well, I'm glad for that retcon. Otherwise you'd have goofy as hell looking 2km tall bipeds all over the place, instead of the more menacing alien looking cuttlefish ones.

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The leaked script also says you become a Reaper. Whatever.

The EC makes it perfecly clear that the new Shepard AI is much more than that.


In order to create a reaper, you need to harvest an entire civilisation. That obviously didn't happen in the Control ending, so Shepard did not turn into a Reaper, period. He became the new Catalyst.

The Citadel closes in the end of Control, so the Catalyst not Shepard yet, is creating a Reaper body for Shepard.

[Arian Dynas]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...


You did a good job fending off the few trolls who dared to enter the thread. Entertaining for lurkers everywhere.

lol, thanks. I tried. Air quotes and troll faces for everyone!

I have noticed both a distinct lack of Hellish and increase in trolls in the last few weeks.

You need to remedy both of those things, Hellish.

Yeah, you should come back and start with Shepdog77.

You would have me deign to that level? Trolls like that would darwin themselves out of the thread without any help from anyone if people would stop bringing them kindling and lighter fluid. 

It's not your average one-time "mumbo-jumbo" troll. He's recurring.

So is acne. He's not worth bothering with, he's an annoyance, nothing more.

[Hrothdane]

BlazingZephyr wrote...
I just want Mac'n'friends to see the potential greatness the IT could bring.

This, so much.

While I still believe that the evidence points towards IT being intended, even it it weren't, Bioware should take heed of it. If they officially canonize IT, we would never know for certain if they originally intended it or not.

If they do officially endorse IT and at least act as though it was always the plan, inummerable fans will instantly forgive them and throw money at DLC. Most anti-IT people you see nowadays on the forums are against it because they lost hope that Bioware will ever implement it, not out of actually disliking the theory. Many of the valid concerns others have over IT could be addressed in new content.

Furthermore, going with IT would reward all the fans that trusted in Bioware's writing ability, and open up the universe to sequels. Fans would feel as though their voices were heard and criticisms acknowledged, even if they are not 100% happy with the new ending. I can tell you right now that as far as I am concerned, Bioware would have a customer for life.

In short, IT not only offers a great storytelling opportunity, but a great money-making one. If it was intended, Bioware's writers are goddamn geniuses, paraphrase Zaeed Masani. If it wasn't, we have packaged up the greatest second chance in video game history. If you want to get meta, you could even say we chose the ending in a way and to an extent far beyond anything done before.

This is a question of eternal mediocrity and disdain or glorious rebirth and exaltation. To paraphrase Zaeed once more, it's so goddamn simple.

Besides, we know EA could use the money

[BlazingZephyr]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I didn't say the geth at all, and I didn't even mention that at all.

Yeah BlazingZephyr mistakenly thought you said that. It was someone else though who said it.

Ooops. GethPrime said that, not Masster. Apologies to all.

Regardless...

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

I'm pretty sure that only the core of the Reaper resembles the species they made the Reaper from, and the core gets covered in the cuttlefish armor, which is why most Reapers look the same.

How would that work with the Human Reaper? Besides over the thousands of cycles and even in this cycle, there is a lot of variety. So I don't think that idea would be practical.... 

You want the real reason for that tidbit?

Bioware bit off more than they could chew, found they didn't have the time to design all new entirely unique Reaper chassis, and gave that as a excuse.

In other words, retcon.

Well, I'm glad for that retcon. Otherwise you'd have goofy as hell looking 2km tall bipeds all over the place, instead of the more menacing alien looking cuttlefish ones.

Well they DO have a shell over the core, the shell looks considerably less like the beings it's formed from. Likely, the Human Form Reaper wouldn't have even had legs (judging by the sketches they showed in the artbook. Also, at an earlier time, every Reaper looked the same, inside and out, other than a few minor differences inside, judging by some sketches.)

[TJBartlemus]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The leaked script also says you become a Reaper. Whatever.

The EC makes it perfecly clear that the new Shepard AI is much more than that.


In order to create a reaper, you need to harvest an entire civilisation. That obviously didn't happen in the Control ending, so Shepard did not turn into a Reaper, period. He became the new Catalyst.

The Citadel closes in the end of Control, so the Catalyst not Shepard yet, is creating a Reaper body for Shepard.

Wha?  Sorry Masster. No. Just no. 

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The leaked script also says you become a Reaper. Whatever.

The EC makes it perfecly clear that the new Shepard AI is much more than that.


In order to create a reaper, you need to harvest an entire civilisation. That obviously didn't happen in the Control ending, so Shepard did not turn into a Reaper, period. He became the new Catalyst.

The Citadel closes in the end of Control, so the Catalyst not Shepard yet, is creating a Reaper body for Shepard.

Wha?  Sorry Masster. No. Just no. 

Why does it close then TJ. There is no reason for it to close again if they weren't.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The leaked script also says you become a Reaper. Whatever.

The EC makes it perfecly clear that the new Shepard AI is much more than that.

In order to create a reaper, you need to harvest an entire civilisation. That obviously didn't happen in the Control ending, so Shepard did not turn into a Reaper, period. He became the new Catalyst.

EC says a lot. Whatever. Control/Synthesis = Indoctrinated. Why? TIM/Saren.

Or in other words, going along with what the Reaper AI suggests might not be the wisest course of action.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 08 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[Home run MF]

I forgot about this before, as someone who has played the whole game without music I can say you hear the same effects in the dreams and in the begining of the Shep TIM standoff on the citadel.
Also the exact same backround sounds can be heard in the FOB and the breath scene.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The leaked script also says you become a Reaper. Whatever.

The EC makes it perfecly clear that the new Shepard AI is much more than that.


In order to create a reaper, you need to harvest an entire civilisation. That obviously didn't happen in the Control ending, so Shepard did not turn into a Reaper, period. He became the new Catalyst.

The Citadel closes in the end of Control, so the Catalyst not Shepard yet, is creating a Reaper body for Shepard.

That is your interpretation, one I do not share.

Reapers are million minds at once, as Legion said. Notice how Reapers always talk about "we" and "us". They never ever say "me" or "I". Not even Sovereign when he talks about himself. Not even Harbinger.

The Shepard AI at the end is only 1 mind, the mind of Shepard. The Shepard AI does talk about "me" and "I', not about "we" and "us". So he's obviously not a Reaper himself.

[BlazingZephyr]

Oh, and TJ: Sorry if I sounded like a douche with the "duh" thing. That was just me ass-u-me-ing that most here already knew that and you were stating the obvious.

[sincere apology/]

[The Heretic of Time]

Home run MF wrote...

I forgot about this before, as someone who has played the whole game without music I can say you hear the same effects in the dreams and in the begining of the Shep TIM standoff on the citadel.
Also the exact same backround sounds can be heard in the FOB and the breath scene.

This is not true. All the sounds indeed sound similar, but they are not exactly the same.

I don't know who started with this rumor, but it's false, as anyone can hear if they check it out themselves.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Why does it close then TJ. There is no reason for it to close again if they weren't.

According to IT it doesnt close again at all. It was never even opened. You're mixing the literal and IT interpretations, masster.

Modifié par byne, 08 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The leaked script also says you become a Reaper. Whatever.

The EC makes it perfecly clear that the new Shepard AI is much more than that.


In order to create a reaper, you need to harvest an entire civilisation. That obviously didn't happen in the Control ending, so Shepard did not turn into a Reaper, period. He became the new Catalyst.

The Citadel closes in the end of Control, so the Catalyst not Shepard yet, is creating a Reaper body for Shepard.

That is your interpretation, one I do not share.

Reapers are million minds at once, as Legion said. Notice how Reapers always talk about "we" and "us". They never ever say "me" or "I". Not even Sovereign when he talks about himself. Not even Harbinger.

The Shepard AI at the end is only 1 mind, the mind of Shepard. The Shepard AI does talk about "me" and "I', not about "we" and "us". So he's obviously not a Reaper himself.

They do to. Soveregin says " I am the vanguard of your destruction."

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 01:45 .

[Arian Dynas]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Paxxton why do you have a control signature if you're an IT supporter?

1. I like the new Control ending.
2. I chose Control.
3. I support IT.

That doesn't make any sense.

If you support IT, why didn't you pick Destroy? Isn't that the one holy and only true god decision according to you ITers?

There are people who intentionally fail the suicide mission.

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Why does it close then TJ. There is no reason for it to close again if they weren't.

According to IT it doesnt close again at all. It was never even opened. You're mixing the literal and IT interpretations, masster.

sorry, but I am trying to point out in literal sense, why is this happening then.

Sorry byne, and Tj.

[Home run MF]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

I forgot about this before, as someone who has played the whole game without music I can say you hear the same effects in the dreams and in the begining of the Shep TIM standoff on the citadel.
Also the exact same backround sounds can be heard in the FOB and the breath scene.

This is not true. All the sounds indeed sound similar, but they are not exactly the same.

I don't know who started with this rumor, but it's false, as anyone can hear if they check it out themselves.

It's not a rumor, stand in the midle of the FOB (without music) just before talking to Anderson and you hear the breath scene sounds, the exact same. 

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


That is your interpretation, one I do not share.

Reapers are million minds at once, as Legion said. Notice how Reapers always talk about "we" and "us". They never ever say "me" or "I". Not even Sovereign when he talks about himself. Not even Harbinger.

The Shepard AI at the end is only 1 mind, the mind of Shepard. The Shepard AI does talk about "me" and "I', not about "we" and "us". So he's obviously not a Reaper himself.

Bull****.

I know so because my old laptop played Harbinger's sound file saying "I WILL SHOW YOU TRUE POWER" whenever I plugged it in.

Modifié par byne, 08 août 2012 - 01:46 .

[Hrothdane]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


That is your interpretation, one I do not share.

Reapers are million minds at once, as Legion said. Notice how Reapers always talk about "we" and "us". They never ever say "me" or "I". Not even Sovereign when he talks about himself. Not even Harbinger.

The Shepard AI at the end is only 1 mind, the mind of Shepard. The Shepard AI does talk about "me" and "I', not about "we" and "us". So he's obviously not a Reaper himself.

Bull****.

I know so because my old computer played Harbinger's sound file saying "I WILL SHOW YOU TRUE POWER" whenever I plugged it in.

Evidence Tear you apart has "I" in it as well. Maybe others.

Modifié par Hrothdane, 08 août 2012 - 01:47 .

[byne]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


That is your interpretation, one I do not share.

Reapers are million minds at once, as Legion said. Notice how Reapers always talk about "we" and "us". They never ever say "me" or "I". Not even Sovereign when he talks about himself. Not even Harbinger.

The Shepard AI at the end is only 1 mind, the mind of Shepard. The Shepard AI does talk about "me" and "I', not about "we" and "us". So he's obviously not a Reaper himself.

Bull****.

I know so because my old laptop played Harbinger's sound file saying "I WILL SHOW YOU TRUE POWER" whenever I plugged it in.

Hell, just read the list of Harby quotes. Theres plenty of 'me's and 'I's

[DoomsdayDevice]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


That is your interpretation, one I do not share.

Reapers are million minds at once, as Legion said. Notice how Reapers always talk about "we" and "us". They never ever say "me" or "I". Not even Sovereign when he talks about himself. Not even Harbinger.

The Shepard AI at the end is only 1 mind, the mind of Shepard. The Shepard AI does talk about "me" and "I', not about "we" and "us". So he's obviously not a Reaper himself.

Bull****.

I know so because my old laptop played Harbinger's sound file saying "I WILL SHOW YOU TRUE POWER" whenever I plugged it in.

 "Struggle if you wish... your mind will be MINE." - Harbinger, Arrival

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


That is your interpretation, one I do not share.

Reapers are million minds at once, as Legion said. Notice how Reapers always talk about "we" and "us". They never ever say "me" or "I". Not even Sovereign when he talks about himself. Not even Harbinger.

The Shepard AI at the end is only 1 mind, the mind of Shepard. The Shepard AI does talk about "me" and "I', not about "we" and "us". So he's obviously not a Reaper himself.

Bull****.

I know so because my old laptop played Harbinger's sound file saying "I WILL SHOW YOU TRUE POWER" whenever I plugged it in.

Well, okay, maybe I wasn't correct about the speech thing.


Still, it is pretty damn friggin' obvious that the Shepard AI isn't a reaper. This is just too obvious, even if I'm not correct about the reaper-speech.

[The Heretic of Time]

Home run MF wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

I forgot about this before, as someone who has played the whole game without music I can say you hear the same effects in the dreams and in the begining of the Shep TIM standoff on the citadel.
Also the exact same backround sounds can be heard in the FOB and the breath scene.

This is not true. All the sounds indeed sound similar, but they are not exactly the same.

I don't know who started with this rumor, but it's false, as anyone can hear if they check it out themselves.

It's not a rumor, stand in the midle of the FOB (without music) just before talking to Anderson and you hear the breath scene sounds, the exact same. 

What is a FOB?