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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just want to say one last thing before I call it a night. Since we've brought up the kid, has anyone thought about what the kid on Earth could actually represent? I mean, besides Shepard's guilt. Here's my hypothesis.

The kid is a hallucination from the start, and his dialogue is meant to symbolize that Sheoard is not ready to be fully indoctrinated. Yet. Think about it. Probably the main kid line is, "You can't help me." This could mean that Shepard is not yet ready. What does the kid then do when you see him at th end? He asks Shepard to help him find a new solution. Remember, it's, "We find a new solution," not, "You find a new solution." The kid is telling Shepard to do that which the kid did not permit before, give him help. And right after that? He talks about Destroy, how bad it is, and how it's not a solution to the kid's problem. It doesn't "help" him, which would be a big deal, subconsciously, to Shepard, who still blames himself for not being able to help the kid, as shown by the dreams.

Again, think back. What's the first thing Shepard says after hearing the kid describe Destroy? "There must be another way." Now, it's possible that Shepard is starting to reconsider wanting to destroy the Reapers because of the geth and EDI, but I think another part of it is that he doesn't want to "fail" the kid again.

Now, there might be one final layer here. It has to do with Synthesis. This, as we all know, is the kid's preferred ending. His final solution (See what I did there? Gotta love Godwin's Law.). Now, there's really not much more I can say beyond this. The kid gives the option because he knows Shepard doesn't want to fail him. And in Control, Shepard is still going to replace him. It's quite possible that Shepard is now having a hard time deciding what to do because he knows that either way, the kid ceases to exist. So, in order to speed Shepard on his merry, indoctrinated way, the kid gives a third choice. A choice where the kid does not die, and Shepard helps him to achieve his "perfect" solution. A choice custom tailored for Shepard, who more than anything else, at least at first, just longs for a chance to go back and help that poor boy from Earth.

Now, I apologize if this gets difficult to follow at any point. It IS 12:41 am here, and I'm rather tired. I just figured I should share this since it's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. I think tomorrow I'll put it in the form of a blog post, which will help me to refine it a bit.

Edit: YES!  Top with a great (I think) post that's on topic!  And it's a wall of text (At least on my phone), too.

Hmm, interesting concept.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[Bill Casey]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.

I believe the term is ConTrolls.

What the term for Synthesis-supporters?

Reapers?

[Dwailing]

Bill Casey wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne your a sleeper agent. When you sleep you watch control videos, and support Control. Your turning into a Controllerist.

I believe the term is ConTrolls.

What the term for Synthesis-supporters?

Reapers?

Indoctrinated?

[clennon8]

Synthies?

Greenies?

Modifié par clennon8, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Dwailing]

Darn, I shouldn't have made that post. Now I want to see reactions before I go to sleep.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just want to say one last thing before I call it a night. Since we've brought up the kid, has anyone thought about what the kid on Earth could actually represent? I mean, besides Shepard's guilt. Here's my hypothesis.

The kid is a hallucination from the start, and his dialogue is meant to symbolize that Sheoard is not ready to be fully indoctrinated. Yet. Think about it. Probably the main kid line is, "You can't help me." This could mean that Shepard is not yet ready. What does the kid then do when you see him at th end? He asks Shepard to help him find a new solution. Remember, it's, "We find a new solution," not, "You find a new solution." The kid is telling Shepard to do that which the kid did not permit before, give him help. And right after that? He talks about Destroy, how bad it is, and how it's not a solution to the kid's problem. It doesn't "help" him, which would be a big deal, subconsciously, to Shepard, who still blames himself for not being able to help the kid, as shown by the dreams.

Again, think back. What's the first thing Shepard says after hearing the kid describe Destroy? "There must be another way." Now, it's possible that Shepard is starting to reconsider wanting to destroy the Reapers because of the geth and EDI, but I think another part of it is that he doesn't want to "fail" the kid again.

Now, there might be one final layer here. It has to do with Synthesis. This, as we all know, is the kid's preferred ending. His final solution (See what I did there? Gotta love Godwin's Law.). Now, there's really not much more I can say beyond this. The kid gives the option because he knows Shepard doesn't want to fail him. And in Control, Shepard is still going to replace him. It's quite possible that Shepard is now having a hard time deciding what to do because he knows that either way, the kid ceases to exist. So, in order to speed Shepard on his merry, indoctrinated way, the kid gives a third choice. A choice where the kid does not die, and Shepard helps him to achieve his "perfect" solution. A choice custom tailored for Shepard, who more than anything else, at least at first, just longs for a chance to go back and help that poor boy from Earth.

Now, I apologize if this gets difficult to follow at any point. It IS 12:41 am here, and I'm rather tired. I just figured I should share this since it's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. I think tomorrow I'll put it in the form of a blog post, which will help me to refine it a bit.

Edit: YES!  Top with a great (I think) post that's on topic!  And it's a wall of text (At least on my phone), too.

Makes sense to me! And it makes the "real" kid all the more creepy

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 décembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dwailing wrote...

Darn, I shouldn't have made that post. Now I want to see reactions before I go to sleep.

I like your idea, though I still hold onto my opinion that the boy while on Earth is real (nobody try to explain it to me that he's not real, it's just how I see it), and does explain Shepard's nonchalant acceptance of the pro-Reaper choices. Do you think the Catalyst did similar things to other people deemed important, like Saren or The Illusive Man?

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 20 décembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[ategio]

 just throwing something in here. pretty sure this has already been discovered though.

"serve us" sound sample @ 10:30

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TrfouY_aS1U#t=630s

[Hanako Ikezawa]

clennon8 wrote...

Synthies?

Greenies?

I like Synthies. It's adorable.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's official. Two Steps From Hell can make even the most boring thing imaginable the most epic thing you've ever done (referring to my Final not this thread).

[Dwailing]

Okay, now I'm definitely going to bed. See you all... later today, actually, since it's 1:06 am here.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

Okay, now I'm definitely going to bed. See you all... later today, actually, since it's 1:06 am here.

22:13 here, goodnight!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 décembre 2012 - 06:15 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

Just beat ME2 on insanity and got my trophy. It was surprisingly easy, or maybe vanguards are just really overpowered in SP.

Also when you think about it, theres some similarity between ME2 and 3's endings. In both endings you're outrunning a massive colored explosion. The choices and the resulting color are the same in both games. It's interesting to see how much of the ending can be drawn from Shepard's past.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just beat ME2 on insanity and got my trophy. It was surprisingly easy, or maybe vanguards are just really overpowered in SP.

Also when you think about it, theres some similarity between ME2 and 3's endings. In both endings you're outrunning a massive colored explosion. The choices and the resulting color are the same in both games. It's interesting to see how much of the ending can be drawn from Shepard's past.

Except isn't controlling the Collector Base's explosion green, not blue? Granted, with only two choices one color would be unavailable but still.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 20 décembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just beat ME2 on insanity and got my trophy. It was surprisingly easy, or maybe vanguards are just really overpowered in SP.

Also when you think about it, theres some similarity between ME2 and 3's endings. In both endings you're outrunning a massive colored explosion. The choices and the resulting color are the same in both games. It's interesting to see how much of the ending can be drawn from Shepard's past.

Except isn't controlling the Collector Base's explosion green, not blue? Granted, with only two choices one color would be unavailable but still.

Im pretty sure its blue.

EDIT**
Heres the link

http://www.youtube.c...wxaAOoFY#t=258s

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 20 décembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just beat ME2 on insanity and got my trophy. It was surprisingly easy, or maybe vanguards are just really overpowered in SP.

Also when you think about it, theres some similarity between ME2 and 3's endings. In both endings you're outrunning a massive colored explosion. The choices and the resulting color are the same in both games. It's interesting to see how much of the ending can be drawn from Shepard's past.

Except isn't controlling the Collector Base's explosion green, not blue? Granted, with only two choices one color would be unavailable but still.

Im pretty sure its blue.

 It's a cyan-like color, basically blue and green together. Bioware, you sneaky devils.

[dorktainian]

just one question.....popping back in for a moment.

someone presented you with 3 lollys, promising each of these lollys would be the ultimate lolly. you look at these lollys and pick your favorite coloured lolly. when said lolly is finished it leaves you wishing that actually the other lollys might have been nicer - you could have tried those first......but you were only offered one... you resent the person who did the offering....as the others were out of your reach now....and surely must have been nicer? you must live with your decision.

pick a colour from the choices you are given. that is all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

dorktainian wrote...

just one question.....popping back in for a moment.

someone presented you with 3 lollys, promising each of these lollys would be the ultimate lolly. you look at these lollys and pick your favorite coloured lolly. when said lolly is finished it leaves you wishing that actually the other lollys might have been nicer - you could have tried those first......but you were only offered one... you resent the person who did the offering....as the others were out of your reach now....and surely must have been nicer? you must live with your decision.

pick a colour from the choices you are given. that is all.

I don't understand what you're trying to ask us. Please explain.

[Fur28]

dorktainian wrote...

just one question.....popping back in for a moment.

someone presented you with 3 lollys, promising each of these lollys would be the ultimate lolly. you look at these lollys and pick your favorite coloured lolly. when said lolly is finished it leaves you wishing that actually the other lollys might have been nicer - you could have tried those first......but you were only offered one... you resent the person who did the offering....as the others were out of your reach now....and surely must have been nicer? you must live with your decision.

pick a colour from the choices you are given. that is all.

you´re asking something? or doing some sort of statement?

Modifié par Fur28, 20 décembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[CmdrShep80]

byne wrote...

Huh, that was weird.

I opened my bookmarks, and somehow a link to a video of the Control ending ended up bookmarked.

How odd.

its telling ya something. The illusive man was right after all

[CmdrShep80]

 Speaking of schools, now when I was a young'un we would have nothing but obedience and discipline *shakes a stick at them* any of ye catch the teacher's eye you find ye'rself in detention!  Any of ye make those darn contraptions what were they called? *Bonks someone on the head with the stick* Oh yes that's right, ye make paper airplanes you could find yourself a whoopin' by a ruler, yes a stick I say!  I tell ye you young'uns today with all your fancy doodads and gadgets. *walks slowly toward a chair a few feet away favoring the stick...10 minutes later sits in the chair creaking away* I'll bet you never had to use cursive language in writin' I say writin'. Ye child'uns probably ne'er seen them there ice cream social where by golly we socialized with real people! People I say!  And a fantastic time it was!  By golly child'uns today *hurumphs* see school was much harder in my day *shakes the stick again and bonks someone else upside the head* if they e'er go back to that all will be right in the world. The world i say! Ye could even save the world in my day...zzzzzzz *falls asleep in the middle of the tale*

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 20 décembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[CmdrShep80]

dorktainian wrote...

just one question.....popping back in for a moment.

someone presented you with 3 lollys, promising each of these lollys would be the ultimate lolly. you look at these lollys and pick your favorite coloured lolly. when said lolly is finished it leaves you wishing that actually the other lollys might have been nicer - you could have tried those first......but you were only offered one... you resent the person who did the offering....as the others were out of your reach now....and surely must have been nicer? you must live with your decision.

pick a colour from the choices you are given. that is all.

simple ^ = Bioware + choices = ending resentment

[Hanako Ikezawa]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

 Speaking of schools, now when I was a young'un we would have nothing but obedience and discipline *shakes a stick at them* any of ye catch the teacher's eye you find ye'rself in detention!  Any of ye make those darn contraptions what were they called? *Bonks someone on the head with the stick* Oh yes that's right, ye make paper airplanes you could find yourself a whoopin' by a ruler, yes a stick I say!  I tell ye you young'uns today with all your fancy doodads and gadgets. *walks slowly toward a chair a few feet away favoring the stick...10 minutes later sits in the chair creaking away* I'll bet you never had to use cursive language in writin' I say writin'. Ye child'uns probably ne'er seen them there ice cream social where by golly we socialized with real people! People I say!  And a fantastic time it was!  By golly child'uns today *hurumphs* see school was much harder in my day *shakes the stick again and bonks someone else upside the head* if they e'er go back to that all will be right in the world. The world i say! Ye could even save the world in my day...zzzzzzz *falls asleep in the middle of the tale*

Did you have to walk to and from school uphill both ways in the snow too?

[CmdrShep80]

LOL @ darth. lucky me not snow. Not lucky me in the rain. And yes I walked and yes it was uphill.

[spotlessvoid]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

just one question.....popping back in for a moment.

someone presented you with 3 lollys, promising each of these lollys would be the ultimate lolly. you look at these lollys and pick your favorite coloured lolly. when said lolly is finished it leaves you wishing that actually the other lollys might have been nicer - you could have tried those first......but you were only offered one... you resent the person who did the offering....as the others were out of your reach now....and surely must have been nicer? you must live with your decision.

pick a colour from the choices you are given. that is all.

I don't understand what you're trying to ask us. Please explain.

I think he's saying all three endings suck