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[TheProtheans]

demersel wrote...

I really can't understand why people say ME3 has a bad ending.

Lol, that's funny.
You must like not care about the narrative and lore, you probably don't care when something you love ends in a train crash.
But's it ok someone made it out the other side.
So you think it was good.



That's the kind of person you seem to be if you aren't trolling.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Goddammit.

Knowing what that innocent face hides takes any "Dawwh" out of those pictures Revan

I share the same name, face (un-animed of course), and personality as him, so be careful what you say. 

Your real name is Bradley? Lucky you.

I have to run around with the same name as the most borring squadmate of Mass Effect

My real name is actually Selim Bradley, yes. That's how I originally got into the franchise. My friend was reading it while I was reading Gundam Wing i think, and he told me to check out the FMA manga because quote "It has the anime version of you in it." I didn't believe him, so I checked it out and through that I fell in love with the franchise. That's why on here I try to find a Selim pic to match what I'm doing/feeling because it's the closest way of showing me.

What's your name, if you don't mind me asking? Is it Taylor or something?

Jacob...

[RavenEyry]

dorktainian wrote...

it turns off the mass relays. Thats what it does. Thats all it does. It disables them - with pretty colours. If we lose the mass relays we're boned. Thats the crudibles purpose. It presents you with the illusion of choice but in reality there is no choice. red green blue you pull the trigger and we lose.

That's your interpretation of what it does.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

let´s see you were small and alone in your secret D&D club called BOSWH or something like that... yep even i would consider bullying you .... just to feel powerful for once

Sadly, that actually happened. The highlighted parts anywway.

Same, same for me though my father was a teacher at the school which kept me safe from any serious bullying.

Had a friend though who fell subject to some serious bullying one winter and I defended him. Things got heated and I ended up beeing shoved so hard I fell and hit my head so hard I was knocked out for a minute. Even so it was the proudest moment of my life.

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Jacob...

You could pretend to be the braindead Jacob with he crazy wife instead of boring two-timing Jacob.

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it turns off the mass relays. Thats what it does. Thats all it does. It disables them - with pretty colours. If we lose the mass relays we're boned. Thats the crudibles purpose. It presents you with the illusion of choice but in reality there is no choice. red green blue you pull the trigger and we lose.

That's your interpretation of what it does.

yes it is.   seriously.  look past all the glitter and chrome.  look past the show and at the facts.  in all three endings the mass relays are disabled.  thats not an interpretation.  have a look.  the only difference is the colour.  the gun always fires.   

you dont have to agree with my theory - but you cannot deny that the relays are disabled.

   

the crudible.  a power source.
the citadel.  center of the relay network.

so a signal to shut down the relay network would have to come from the citadel.

it would require a lot of power to disable those relays... oh oh.... see where this is going...

Modifié par dorktainian, 20 décembre 2012 - 10:16 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it turns off the mass relays. Thats what it does. Thats all it does. It disables them - with pretty colours. If we lose the mass relays we're boned. Thats the crudibles purpose. It presents you with the illusion of choice but in reality there is no choice. red green blue you pull the trigger and we lose.

That's your interpretation of what it does.

Yeah and I dont really see why the Crucible would do that considering we know the Reapers dident need the Crucible to shut down the Relay network in the Prothean cycle.

Off course that still leaves the mystery of why they havent shut down the network yet, but that can be explained in the Citadel Defense Force still holding the control panel. We know Sovereign needed Saren to transfer control of the Citadel to him due to the Prothean interference so as long as the Reaper groundforces cant reach the control panel they should not be able to shut down the Relays. This also gives reasoning to the Citadel Defense Force war assets.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

dorktainian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it turns off the mass relays. Thats what it does. Thats all it does. It disables them - with pretty colours. If we lose the mass relays we're boned. Thats the crudibles purpose. It presents you with the illusion of choice but in reality there is no choice. red green blue you pull the trigger and we lose.

That's your interpretation of what it does.

yes it is.   seriously.  look past all the glitter and chrome.  look past the show and at the facts.  in all three endings the mass relays are disabled.  thats not an interpretation.  have a look.  the only difference is the colour.  the gun always fires.   

you dont have to agree with my theory - but you cannot deny that the relays are disabled.

In the litteral version yes, but as stated before the Relays might be depiction of Shepard brain either giving in to or purging the Indoctrination depending on yoru choice. In fact one of the oldest flaws, one which was not corrected by the EC, is that the beam of energy jumping through the galaxy starts at the Alpha Relay, the Relay which no matter what you do dosent exist by ME3.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

dorktainian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it turns off the mass relays. Thats what it does. Thats all it does. It disables them - with pretty colours. If we lose the mass relays we're boned. Thats the crudibles purpose. It presents you with the illusion of choice but in reality there is no choice. red green blue you pull the trigger and we lose.

That's your interpretation of what it does.

yes it is.   seriously.  look past all the glitter and chrome.  look past the show and at the facts.  in all three endings the mass relays are disabled.  thats not an interpretation.  have a look.  the only difference is the colour.  the gun always fires.   

you dont have to agree with my theory - but you cannot deny that the relays are disabled.

   

the crudible.  a power source.
the citadel.  center of the relay network.

so a signal to shut down the relay network would have to come from the citadel.

it would require a lot of power to disable those relays... oh oh.... see where this is going...

Nope, at least no more than what the Citadel can allready deliver.

Prothean cycle started like this:

Reapers invade, take Citadel, immediately shut down Relay network. No Crucible involved.

[dorktainian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

it turns off the mass relays. Thats what it does. Thats all it does. It disables them - with pretty colours. If we lose the mass relays we're boned. Thats the crudibles purpose. It presents you with the illusion of choice but in reality there is no choice. red green blue you pull the trigger and we lose.

That's your interpretation of what it does.

yes it is.   seriously.  look past all the glitter and chrome.  look past the show and at the facts.  in all three endings the mass relays are disabled.  thats not an interpretation.  have a look.  the only difference is the colour.  the gun always fires.   

you dont have to agree with my theory - but you cannot deny that the relays are disabled.

   

the crudible.  a power source.
the citadel.  center of the relay network.

so a signal to shut down the relay network would have to come from the citadel.

it would require a lot of power to disable those relays... oh oh.... see where this is going...

Nope, at least no more than what the Citadel can allready deliver.

Prothean cycle started like this:

Reapers invade, take Citadel, immediately shut down Relay network. No Crucible involved.

you are missing one vital component.

Sovereign.  He was there to do this last time.  this time he isnt.  They need the crudible this time.

[RavenEyry]

dorktainian wrote...

yes it is.   seriously.  look past all the glitter and chrome.  look past the show and at the facts.  in all three endings the mass relays are disabled.  thats not an interpretation.  have a look.  the only difference is the colour.  the gun always fires.  

I never disagreed with you there. But it doesn't mean there aren't other effects and it doesn't make the ending likeable. And all this is assuming the thing fires at all.

[RavenEyry]

dorktainian wrote...
you are missing one vital component.

Sovereign.  He was there to do this last time.  this time he isnt.  They need the crudible this time.

Um there are other reapers. Many externally identical to Sovereign.

I see what you're getting at, the crucible was a reaper trick to get the relays shut down, but there are many holes.

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

yes it is.   seriously.  look past all the glitter and chrome.  look past the show and at the facts.  in all three endings the mass relays are disabled.  thats not an interpretation.  have a look.  the only difference is the colour.  the gun always fires.  

I never disagreed with you there. But it doesn't mean there aren't other effects and it doesn't make the ending likeable. And all this is assuming the thing fires at all.

but you can always refuse.  anyone ever wondered why Refuse is the most bare-bone of the endings?    

(liars message not withstanding)

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
you are missing one vital component.

Sovereign.  He was there to do this last time.  this time he isnt.  They need the crudible this time.

Um there are other reapers. Many externally identical to Sovereign.

I see what you're getting at, the crucible was a reaper trick to get the relays shut down, but there are many holes.

are there?  Think of the Citadel as a huge weapon when coupled with the crudible.

Sovereign was sent in advance to activate the citadel relay when the keepers didnt answer him.  (thanks Protheans) This would require an enormous amount of power.  Maybe Sovereign would sacrifice his own energy to activate the relays? Now i agree that in theory the Citadel would have had that power, but then again part of me thinks not.  The reapers arn't stupid enough to leave the citadel there and have the possibility of one of us activating the relay to dark space where they are vulnerable are they?  Sovereign is the only reaper that can do it.  But the reapers arn't stupid.  They need a back up plan. So they plant schematics for a power source, get us to build it and do the work for them.  A reaper Plan B.       

For those that think this takes away from IT.... well it kinda does because the ending is what it is...  But i'm still saying shepard is undergoing indoctrination.  he has to in order to make the choice.  The star brat is a slimy little turn with the answers he gives - they're not really answers....  He is Harbinger.  When he flys away from london thats where he's going - so he can manipulate shepard in the decision chamber.     


oh thanks for this has to go to Arien or whatever ...  Allowed me to re-evaluate the whole shebang from the outside.

Modifié par dorktainian, 20 décembre 2012 - 10:48 .

[demersel]

dorktainian wrote...

as long as you understand exactly what the beam does then there is absolutely no reason at all not to like the ending.

Exactly. So what if the Starkid doesn't make sense - if you listen to him and take him serious, and belive him - it is your problem. ))

Modifié par demersel, 20 décembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[demersel]

Once again - this is the ending to ME3. And it is a beautifull ending.
If you fail to understand it - you failed as ME fan. 

demersel wrote...



I have wondered about you
Where will you be when this through
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem my life again?

Fire the fields the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes you're on your own
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can't make it on my own

[RavenEyry]

It is not a beautiful ending! There are reapers killing everyone!

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

It is not a beautiful ending! There are reapers killing everyone!

 

maybe you need to see this for what it really is.  You still have a choice.

Modifié par dorktainian, 20 décembre 2012 - 11:09 .

[RavenEyry]

NO! I don't need to see it how you see it. Yet another ****** with his head so far up his arse that anyone who disagrees must be doing it wrong. I'm frelling sick of it after nine months. Screw this.

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

NO! I don't need to see it how you see it. Yet another ****** with his head so far up his arse that anyone who disagrees must be doing it wrong. I'm frelling sick of it after nine months. Screw this.

chill it's only a game.......

Modifié par dorktainian, 20 décembre 2012 - 11:13 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

dorktainian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

NO! I don't need to see it how you see it. Yet another ****** with his head so far up his arse that anyone who disagrees must be doing it wrong. I'm frelling sick of it after nine months. Screw this.

chill it's only a game.......

Hate to say it Dorktain, but Raven is right here.

We dont know nearly enough about the Crucible or its function to claim to know what it does. We can guess and that is it.

In fact here is one part about the idea that Sovereign should be the power source or something like that which dosent quite hold water. In a normal cycle the Vanguard is not even near the Citadel when the Relay is opened, it merely broadcasts a signal and the Keepers handle it.

Beyond that Sovereign did shut down at least the Relays sourrounding the Citadel as the Actorus Fleet needs it open before they can help. But if Sovereign needed to transfer power into the Citadel to do this, espeically if it was in the amounts which the Crucible is supposed to put out he would have been much weaker in the battle against the fleet. I can say this for certain as despite the Reapers enormous power sources there are examples of it not beeing unlimited, like how a Reaper performing a sharp turn or landing on a planet has to direct power form their barriers to their Mass Effect fields (the ones for lowerings its mass) in order to pull it of.

If Sovereign had been forced to direct a massive amount of energy into the Citadel his barriers would have been serverily weakened and probably his weapons as well.

In fact from what we know the Crucible probably generates way more energy than even a Sovereign class Reaper. Nevermind that it is far bigger (we see the Crucible in comparision to the Citadel and to Dreadnoughts) but the Crucible energy output has been described as "unquantifiable." The Reaper may have a massive power source, but it has never (especialy considering their flaws) been described anywhere near terms like that.

And finally you would not need any extra energy to shut down the Relays by all logic. A simple shut down signal sent through the network should suffice.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 20 décembre 2012 - 11:26 .

[Jadebaby]

I like where you're coming from darktainian, but that should be no surprise to anyone else in here.

[XXIceColdXX]

demersel wrote...

I really can't understand why people say ME3 has a bad ending.

Nice troll, actually just annoying at this point.

[dorktainian]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I like where you're coming from darktainian, but that should be no surprise to anyone else in here.

why thank you.  getting your point across can be difficult sometimes.  some of them may not like me, but i still like them.  hey ho. i'll chicken **** back out of this thread now.  back to peace and quiet.

"It might be helpful for you to know that you are not alone. And that in the long, twilight struggle, which lies ahead of us, there is the possibility of hope."

Modifié par dorktainian, 20 décembre 2012 - 11:46 .

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

It is not a beautiful ending! There are reapers killing everyone!

Yep, and it is up to you to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and continue the fight.