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[Arian Dynas]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Shepard becomes the new Catalyst when he picks control. He's not a reaper himself.

Er... the game data says otherwise:

enum EEndGameOption
{
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave,
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine,
EGO_Demo,
EGO_None,
EGO_MAX,
}

LOL that's just a variable label in the game-data. It's an easy way of putting "Shepard becomes the new overlord of the Reapers in form of a new Catalyst AI".

And you, just being some Joe Blow off the street, not affiliated with Bioware in any which way or form can say this with absolute authority... how?

[Arian Dynas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Why is he holding a mass relay?

...

Didn't we do this before?

*Twilight Zone Theme*

[TJBartlemus]

masster blaster wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The leaked script also says you become a Reaper. Whatever.

The EC makes it perfecly clear that the new Shepard AI is much more than that.


In order to create a reaper, you need to harvest an entire civilisation. That obviously didn't happen in the Control ending, so Shepard did not turn into a Reaper, period. He became the new Catalyst.

The Citadel closes in the end of Control, so the Catalyst not Shepard yet, is creating a Reaper body for Shepard.

Wha?  Sorry Masster. No. Just no. 

Why does it close then TJ. There is no reason for it to close again if they weren't.

It's the Citadel relay activating. For it to transport things it needs to be closed I believe. And it makes sense cause why would they go throught the center? 

EDIT - Regarding the scene after the choice in which the Citadel closes and is literal.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 08 août 2012 - 02:08 .

[Arian Dynas]

Hrothdane wrote...

byne wrote...

Anyhow, since the WoW talk earlier reminded me I needed to solo Molten Core, I just finished doing that.

Rag didnt drop his eye.

I am a sad panda. One of these days I'll have your eye, Rag!

He did drop an orb of deception though.

I already have like four of them, but its nice to have another, I suppose.

[/endWoWtalk]

I have Sulfuras on my paladin, but I have yet to see even one of the bindings for Thunderfury. Ever. I have two characters almost at exalted with Hydraxian Waterlords, too. My DK is still waiting for the main hand warglaive in BT to drop.

Did you say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] ?! (Sorry, in joke.)

[Arian Dynas]

Hrothdane wrote...

While this probably came up before, has anyone noticed the parallel between the ending choice and the pills in The Matrix? The blue pill lets Neo delude himself ("believe whatever you want to believe") and stops him from looking deeper. The red pill offers deeper truth and reality, but with a great deal of danger ("see how far down the rabbit hole goes"). The "believe whatever you want to believe" line also fits with Bioware's stance of "interpret things whichever way you want."

Also worth mention is that Wikipedia says that Arnold takes a red pill in Total Recall that brings him out of a delusion (along with some other connections that seem dubious or tangentially related to the current issue). Obviously, there is no green choice in either situation, but red's strong association with reality seems worthy of consideration.

Considering we already know via Word of God that the first game was inspired by 80s sci-fi, and ME2 and ME3 have parallels with later periods of sci-fi, the connection might be intentional. The whole "what is real?" issue has become such a standard theme in so many classic and popular sci-fi stories (Blade Runner, Total Recall, The Matrix, Inception, etc...) that I can't help but think the self-professed sci-fi fans at Bioware must have noticed the connection, if not intended it. Why bother color-coding the endings at all unless there was some reason? We already have two strong parallels with The Matrix in the geth storyline, and Starbrat's similarities to The Architect.

I've made this same joke several times actually.

Also, in the notes Casey and Mac wrote about the ending of the game, they specifically scrawled "Ending of the First Matrix + A Brave New World" we never did nail down what they meant by either.

[TJBartlemus]

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Why does it close then TJ. There is no reason for it to close again if they weren't.

According to IT it doesnt close again at all. It was never even opened. You're mixing the literal and IT interpretations, masster.

sorry, but I am trying to point out in literal sense, why is this happening then.

Sorry byne, and Tj.

@Zephyr and Masster - Not a big deal at all. It's alright. 

[Home run MF]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

I forgot about this before, as someone who has played the whole game without music I can say you hear the same effects in the dreams and in the begining of the Shep TIM standoff on the citadel.
Also the exact same backround sounds can be heard in the FOB and the breath scene.

This is not true. All the sounds indeed sound similar, but they are not exactly the same.

I don't know who started with this rumor, but it's false, as anyone can hear if they check it out themselves.

It's not a rumor, stand in the midle of the FOB (without music) just before talking to Anderson and you hear the breath scene sounds, the exact same. 

What is a FOB?

Forward Operating Base (the place where you say goodbye to your teammates) you dismissed my claim without knowing what I was talking about?

Modifié par Home run MF, 08 août 2012 - 01:58 .

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Did you say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] ?! (Sorry, in joke.)

Oh god, trade chat flashbacks.

I didnt even know you played WoW, Arian.

[masster blaster]

I do to byne. I mean WoW, but I haven't played it since ME3 came out, and been playing wolf team.

[smokingotter1]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

While this probably came up before, has anyone noticed the parallel between the ending choice and the pills in The Matrix? The blue pill lets Neo delude himself ("believe whatever you want to believe") and stops him from looking deeper. The red pill offers deeper truth and reality, but with a great deal of danger ("see how far down the rabbit hole goes"). The "believe whatever you want to believe" line also fits with Bioware's stance of "interpret things whichever way you want."

Also worth mention is that Wikipedia says that Arnold takes a red pill in Total Recall that brings him out of a delusion (along with some other connections that seem dubious or tangentially related to the current issue). Obviously, there is no green choice in either situation, but red's strong association with reality seems worthy of consideration.

Considering we already know via Word of God that the first game was inspired by 80s sci-fi, and ME2 and ME3 have parallels with later periods of sci-fi, the connection might be intentional. The whole "what is real?" issue has become such a standard theme in so many classic and popular sci-fi stories (Blade Runner, Total Recall, The Matrix, Inception, etc...) that I can't help but think the self-professed sci-fi fans at Bioware must have noticed the connection, if not intended it. Why bother color-coding the endings at all unless there was some reason? We already have two strong parallels with The Matrix in the geth storyline, and Starbrat's similarities to The Architect.

I've made this same joke several times actually.

Also, in the notes Casey and Mac wrote about the ending of the game, they specifically scrawled "Ending of the First Matrix + A Brave New World" we never did nail down what they meant by either.

Let's explore briefly what happens at the end of the Matrix. Neo gets killed by Agent Smith. "Dies" Gets kiss, comes back to life, kicks butt.

Maybe in ME3 Shepard get's "killed" by Harbinger, "accends" to the decision chambers, gets kiss by giant exploding tube, comes back to life kicks butt.

Shepard calls Harbinger from payphone, flies into the air, roll credits.

[Hrothdane]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

While this probably came up before, has anyone noticed the parallel between the ending choice and the pills in The Matrix? The blue pill lets Neo delude himself ("believe whatever you want to believe") and stops him from looking deeper. The red pill offers deeper truth and reality, but with a great deal of danger ("see how far down the rabbit hole goes"). The "believe whatever you want to believe" line also fits with Bioware's stance of "interpret things whichever way you want."

Also worth mention is that Wikipedia says that Arnold takes a red pill in Total Recall that brings him out of a delusion (along with some other connections that seem dubious or tangentially related to the current issue). Obviously, there is no green choice in either situation, but red's strong association with reality seems worthy of consideration.

Considering we already know via Word of God that the first game was inspired by 80s sci-fi, and ME2 and ME3 have parallels with later periods of sci-fi, the connection might be intentional. The whole "what is real?" issue has become such a standard theme in so many classic and popular sci-fi stories (Blade Runner, Total Recall, The Matrix, Inception, etc...) that I can't help but think the self-professed sci-fi fans at Bioware must have noticed the connection, if not intended it. Why bother color-coding the endings at all unless there was some reason? We already have two strong parallels with The Matrix in the geth storyline, and Starbrat's similarities to The Architect.

I've made this same joke several times actually.

Also, in the notes Casey and Mac wrote about the ending of the game, they specifically scrawled "Ending of the First Matrix + A Brave New World" we never did nail down what they meant by either.

I figured, but I wanted to do my part to get people speculating and theorizing.

I didn't know about the notes. I'm gonna need to push Brave New World up on my reading list.

[The Heretic of Time]

Home run MF wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

I forgot about this before, as someone who has played the whole game without music I can say you hear the same effects in the dreams and in the begining of the Shep TIM standoff on the citadel.
Also the exact same backround sounds can be heard in the FOB and the breath scene.

This is not true. All the sounds indeed sound similar, but they are not exactly the same.

I don't know who started with this rumor, but it's false, as anyone can hear if they check it out themselves.

It's not a rumor, stand in the midle of the FOB (without music) just before talking to Anderson and you hear the breath scene sounds, the exact same. 

What is a FOB?

Forward Operating Base (the place where you say goodbye to your teammates) you dismissed my claim without knowing what I was talking about?

I dismissed the assertion that the background noise in Shepard's dreams is the same as the noise during the TIM standoff. That is simply not true. I don't know about the FOB. I'd have to listen to it again.

[cdtrk65]

Wiki about A brave new world...

http://en.wikipedia....Brave_New_World

[TJBartlemus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I dismissed the assertion that the background noise in Shepard's dreams is the same as the noise during the TIM standoff. That is simply not true. I don't know about the FOB. I'd have to listen to it again.

Now you have the attention of those who are your superior. Prepare. 

I've got an innocent question for you. Is it true that a player who controls a character in a game is also controlling the vehicle the character is controlling? True or False?

[byne]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I dismissed the assertion that the background noise in Shepard's dreams is the same as the noise during the TIM standoff. That is simply not true. I don't know about the FOB. I'd have to listen to it again.

Now you have the attention of those who are your superior. Prepare. 

I've got an innocent question for you. Is it true that a player who controls a character in a game is also controlling the vehicle the character is controlling? True or False?

False. You're controlling the character, and they're controlling the vehicle.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Guys, did anyone ever check more relevant scenes for infrasound? What's the status on that?

Does the catalyst have infrasound? Is there infrasound in the dreams? What about during the scene with vent boy? Etc.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

RussianZombeh wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

I still believe that all future DLCs will reveal little bits of info about the Reapers, the Citadel/Catalyst, the Crucible and... Indoctrination.

All the DLCs are jigsaw pieces that, when put together, make the true ending. I really like this idea, but it would be very moneywhorish on Bioware's part.

Not moneywhorish, just a good idea when you're dealing with the final game of a trilogy. I mean, come on they're not Halo, CoD, or Gears. MP isn't going to keep people invested forever, and because there's no expected sequel(..yet), not very many people are going to want to buy DLC that doesn't have some affect on the story or the end game. Leviathan doesn't even have a release date yet and Bioware already has to deal with IGN feeding into the lingering anger from the fanbase by asking if the dlc is worth buying.

Because you know, the endings aren't going to change so hurdur why at all buy dlc that isn't post-ending.(Bioware knows why.)

They've already said that there WILL be more Mass Effect games, and the movie is confirmed - they're still going to be making plenty of money. Making you pay for the "true" ending to a game IS moneywhorish.

Also, Leviathan does have a release date. Summer. Summer ends in 23 days, so some time in the next 3 weeks.

   They never said there would be more Mass Effect games that take place after ME3, and I'm sure I remember Gamble saying that even if there was a sequel in the works, they wouldn't announce it (for obvious reasons).

You're assuming here that the movie will make money, even if it does, I don't see how that's going to keep people invested in Mass Effect 3 especially when it's already got bad rep due to the endings. And they're definitely not making you pay for anything.

[smokingotter1]

cdtrk65 wrote...

Wiki about A brave new world...

http://en.wikipedia....Brave_New_World

I know I cite a lot of literature... but I have not read everything... from the ahem* here is a quote from a cliff notes essay on the ending to Brave New World:

"Huxley (author) emphasizes the necessity of resisting the power of tyranny by
keeping one's mind active and free. The individual freedoms may be
limited in the modern world, Huxley admits, but they must be exercised
constantly or be lost."
(emphasis mine). Big clue here guys.

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I dismissed the assertion that the background noise in Shepard's dreams is the same as the noise during the TIM standoff. That is simply not true. I don't know about the FOB. I'd have to listen to it again.

Now you have the attention of those who are your superior. Prepare. 

I've got an innocent question for you. Is it true that a player who controls a character in a game is also controlling the vehicle the character is controlling? True or False?

False. You're controlling the character, and they're controlling the vehicle.

But you control the character. The character doesn't do anything unless the player does. The character cannot do anything without the player. So in an indirect way the player is controlling the vehicle.

[Genetic Destiny]

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I dismissed the assertion that the background noise in Shepard's dreams is the same as the noise during the TIM standoff. That is simply not true. I don't know about the FOB. I'd have to listen to it again.

Now you have the attention of those who are your superior. Prepare. 

I've got an innocent question for you. Is it true that a player who controls a character in a game is also controlling the vehicle the character is controlling? True or False?

False. You're controlling the character, and they're controlling the vehicle.

But you control the character. The character doesn't do anything unless the player does. The character cannot do anything without the player. So in an indirect way the player is controlling the vehicle.

Is this a reference to TIM?

[masster blaster]

Hey Genetic Destiny long time no seen.

[Home run MF]

Genetic Destiny wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I dismissed the assertion that the background noise in Shepard's dreams is the same as the noise during the TIM standoff. That is simply not true. I don't know about the FOB. I'd have to listen to it again.

Now you have the attention of those who are your superior. Prepare. 

I've got an innocent question for you. Is it true that a player who controls a character in a game is also controlling the vehicle the character is controlling? True or False?

False. You're controlling the character, and they're controlling the vehicle.

But you control the character. The character doesn't do anything unless the player does. The character cannot do anything without the player. So in an indirect way the player is controlling the vehicle.

Is this a reference to TIM?

[TJBartlemus]

Genetic Destiny wrote...

Is this a reference to TIM?

I was waiting until Hanar answered before I explained myself. Seeing as he won't, I will anyway. Yes you are correct. The Reapers are controlling TIM. TIM in turn at one point is controlling Shepard. So at one point in the end it is definite, literalist or not, that the Reapers control Shepard. 

[FifthBeatle]

smokingotter1 wrote...

cdtrk65 wrote...

Wiki about A brave new world...

http://en.wikipedia....Brave_New_World

I know I cite a lot of literature... but I have not read everything... from the ahem* here is a quote from a cliff notes essay on the ending to Brave New World:

"Huxley (author) emphasizes the necessity of resisting the power of tyranny by
keeping one's mind active and free. The individual freedoms may be
limited in the modern world, Huxley admits, but they must be exercised
constantly or be lost."
(emphasis mine). Big clue here guys.

Otter - I really like all of your literature based clues to IT. I think examining themes like these might eventually be the best evidence we have. Have you written them all up somewhere or do I have to cmb through 4500+ pages to find them all?

[TJBartlemus]

Home run MF wrote...
snip*

Was it THAT obvious? Oh well.