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[paxxton]

zigamortis wrote...

Anything new in the last 2 days?

Asked the same question. Got silence as an answer.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:45 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

zigamortis wrote...

Anything new in the last 2 days?

Depends what you call new.

I posted some stuff on the previous page; one post with some interesting quotes, and more finds on the VS possibly being indoctrinated, and one conversation with EDI that gave me pause.

There's also a rumour of a new MP DLC called 'Reckoning' which supposedly will include the Chakram Launcher and the Adjutants for MP.

Although I personally think 'Reckoning' sounds like the perfect title for an IT DLC, in more than one way.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anything new in the last 2 days?

Depends what you call new.

I posted some stuff on the previous page; one post with some interesting quotes, and more finds on the VS possibly being indoctrinated, and one conversation with EDI that gave me pause.

Again, only Kaidan shows those signs, while Ashley doesn't.

[Fur28]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...
Danny Trejo defeated Steven Seagal and his katanas with a machete, tee hee:P

Did the katanas break?

youtu.be/DEr-qS01Jrc
around 00:35
fixed

Got to love Hollywood Magic. it would take more than any man can handle to hit a katana hard enough to break it. That's why they're forged the way they are, to never break in combat. Mythbusters had to create a robot arm with the skill of a professional swordsman to break it by bending it. Also, the way the sword breaks doesn't even match the angle he hits it. no pew pew

you´re saying one of God´s favorite children Danny Trejo couldn´t possibly destroy Steven(youtu.be/1X9RvuSuU_Y) Seagal katana... how dare sir...how dare you<_<

and everything i´ve been saying was jokingly, i know it´s all hollywood magick, silencers in guns dont work like they do in movies

Modifié par Fur28, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[paxxton]

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

Modifié par paxxton, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

This is why Ieldra scares me

@Uncle Jo:
Interesting answers, especially the part about the lack ofpositive identification. I guess I have an easier time with that than most, since I have identified with the "idealized" Cerberus represented by Miranda and the Cerberus Manifesto ever since the start of ME2 - pragmatic, but not needlessly cruel; willing to cross a line, but only when everything else fails; and with a science that respects life in principle, even if it isn't held absolute. TIM might have gone off the deep end, but the idea of making - very careful - use of Reaper technology always seemed reasonable to me if handled by reasonable people. Control fed right into all that, but to me, TIM was not its primary representative but rather an aberration.    

People thought using a fully automated defense system called Skynet was a good idea too. Where are they now?

[Rifneno]

You know, since the Reapers are made of dead people, technically speaking ME3 is the Ultimate Zombie Apocalypse.

P.S. BatmanTurian, why you @Uncle Jo?  I saw that and thought he was back here.  Now I'm sad.

[DoomsdayDevice]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anything new in the last 2 days?

Depends what you call new.

I posted some stuff on the previous page; one post with some interesting quotes, and more finds on the VS possibly being indoctrinated, and one conversation with EDI that gave me pause.

Again, only Kaidan shows those signs, while Ashley doesn't.

Again, Ashley is one of the crew members who feels like being watched by the Human Reaper on Cronos Station.

(Feelings of being watched are mentioned in the codex entry for indoctrination)

And again: Ashley isn't alive in my ME3 playthrough, so I'm not sure what else there is for her.

[Rifneno]

Reaper: Without our intervention, organics are doomed. We are your salvation.
Shepard: I have a better idea: we destroy you and live our lives in peace.

+1, Shepard. Plus f'n one.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fur28 wrote...
you´re saying one of God´s favorite children Danny Trejo couldn´t possibly destroy Steven(youtu.be/1X9RvuSuU_Y) Seagal katana... how dare sir...how dare you<_<

and everything i´ve been saying was jokingly, i know it´s all hollywood magick, silencers in guns dont work like they do in movies

I never said that, I just said that the sword breaking mechanic was Hollywood magic. As for the fight itself, I'm with you on my money being on Mr. Trejo.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overlordload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

Why would you have Legion when recruiting Tali? You're doing it all wrong, Paxxton.

Also, Grunt is fun to bring on Haestrom, since he has no shields, just armor, so he can stay in the sun forever.

Modifié par byne, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

No, because then you can't save your crew.

[Rifneno]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anything new in the last 2 days?

Depends what you call new.

I posted some stuff on the previous page; one post with some interesting quotes, and more finds on the VS possibly being indoctrinated, and one conversation with EDI that gave me pause.

Again, only Kaidan shows those signs, while Ashley doesn't.

Again, Ashley is one of the crew members who feels like being watched by the Human Reaper on Cronos Station.

(Feelings of being watched are mentioned in the codex entry for indoctrination)

And again: Ashley isn't alive in my ME3 playthrough, so I'm not sure what else there is for her.

She also mentions feeling watched at that fuel depot side mission.  Her and Liara even start snapping at each other.  <insert semi-offensive PMS joke here>

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anything new in the last 2 days?

Depends what you call new.

I posted some stuff on the previous page; one post with some interesting quotes, and more finds on the VS possibly being indoctrinated, and one conversation with EDI that gave me pause.

Again, only Kaidan shows those signs, while Ashley doesn't.

Again, Ashley is one of the crew members who feels like being watched by the Human Reaper on Cronos Station.

(Feelings of being watched are mentioned in the codex entry for indoctrination)

And again: Ashley isn't alive in my ME3 playthrough, so I'm not sure what else there is for her.

But everyone who didn't go to the Collector Base says that. Also, isn't that Reaper still functional since both it's heart and brain are intact and functioning, so it is watching them.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overlordload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

Why would you have Legion when recuiting Tali? You're doing it all wrong, Paxxton.

Also, Grunt is fun to bring on Haestrom, since he has no shields, just armor, so he can stay in the sun forever.

I don't have Legion yet. I would have to do a few missions first and then replay Haestrom with Legion.

Why would it be wrong?

Modifié par paxxton, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:53 .

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Reaper: Without our intervention, organics are doomed. We are your salvation.
Shepard: I have a better idea: we destroy you and live our lives in peace.

+1, Shepard. Plus f'n one.

Just like Harbinger in the Retaliation trailer, it can't comprehend the possibility of the Reapers being destroyed. We aid them, get harvested, or die. Then Shepard says that, which is pretty much the Destroy ending summed up in one sentence.

[CosmicGnosis]

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Control and Synthesis proponents are getting more pushy and antagonistic....

Mind to elaborate, Mr. Turian?

Why don't more people choose Control?

http://social.biowar...ndex/15333826/1


Destroy - Killing Synthetics to Save Synthetics

http://social.biowar.../index/15344202

I opened up those links expecting massive amounts of Bioware and IT bashing. I like that regardless if they believe the ending is indoctrination, a lot of them still aren't buying the Catalyst's BS. 

Still annoying that the most vocal are getting more and more pushy as the DLC cycle comes to a close... almost as if they are in denial and trying to convince themselves...

Please understand that my intent is not to be antagonistic. I simply care too much about the legitimacy of synthetic life to choose Destroy and ignore the other choices. I don't wish to make any enemies. I just have different priorities.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Rifneno wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Anything new in the last 2 days?

Depends what you call new.

I posted some stuff on the previous page; one post with some interesting quotes, and more finds on the VS possibly being indoctrinated, and one conversation with EDI that gave me pause.

Again, only Kaidan shows those signs, while Ashley doesn't.

Again, Ashley is one of the crew members who feels like being watched by the Human Reaper on Cronos Station.

(Feelings of being watched are mentioned in the codex entry for indoctrination)

And again: Ashley isn't alive in my ME3 playthrough, so I'm not sure what else there is for her.

She also mentions feeling watched at that fuel depot side mission.  Her and Liara even start snapping at each other.  <insert semi-offensive PMS joke here>

Interesting...

I started a new trilogy playthrough in which Ashley lives. Can't wait to get to ME3.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overlordload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

Why would you have Legion when recuiting Tali? You're doing it all wrong, Paxxton.

Also, Grunt is fun to bring on Haestrom, since he has no shields, just armor, so he can stay in the sun forever.

I don't have Legion yet. I would have to do a few missions first and then replay Haestrom with Legion.

Why would it be wrong?

You'd be sacrificing your crew, unless you want to risk Tali and Legion not doing their loyalty missions first.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

No, because then you can't save your crew.

What if I do all loyalty missions before the Derelict Reaper?

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overlordload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

Why would you have Legion when recuiting Tali? You're doing it all wrong, Paxxton.

Also, Grunt is fun to bring on Haestrom, since he has no shields, just armor, so he can stay in the sun forever.

I don't have Legion yet. I would have to do a few missions first and then replay Haestrom with Legion.

Nah, then your crew will die if you want everyone loyal.

Also, I like the Kal'reegar scene with Legion.

[paxxton]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overlordload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

Why would you have Legion when recuiting Tali? You're doing it all wrong, Paxxton.

Also, Grunt is fun to bring on Haestrom, since he has no shields, just armor, so he can stay in the sun forever.

I don't have Legion yet. I would have to do a few missions first and then replay Haestrom with Legion.

Why would it be wrong?

You'd be sacrificing your crew, unless you want to risk Tali and Legion not doing their loyalty missions first.

Hmm. Then I guess I leave it as is.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So yesterday I revisited Haestrom. Took Kasumi and Miranda with me since they both have Overload and was curious how Kasumi reacts on that mission. Then I got to Tali and remembered that there's an awesome cutscene with her and Legion. Should I replay it?

No, because then you can't save your crew.

What if I do all loyalty missions before the Derelict Reaper?

Just to get some stupid scenes that you can look up on youtube?

Anyways, that still be three missions after the Reaper.

Legion's loyalty, Tali's recruitment, and Tali's Loyalty.  Thats one mission too many if you want to save the crew.

[BleedingUranium]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Please understand that my intent is not to be antagonistic. I simply care too much about the legitimacy of synthetic life to choose Destroy and ignore the other choices. I don't wish to make any enemies. I just have different priorities.

We agree with you that synthetic life is life, like all other life, but we support destroy because we value everyone's right to choose over all else. I wouldn't change my opinion of Destroy if it was any other race that would die, I see the synthetics part as irrelevant. If 50% of all life in the galaxy died I'd still pick it.

[DoomsdayDevice]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Please understand that my intent is not to be antagonistic. I simply care too much about the legitimacy of synthetic life to choose Destroy and ignore the other choices. I don't wish to make any enemies. I just have different priorities.

No worries.

I'd like you to consider the following, though:

IMO, the Reapers are simply exploiting the human weakness of always wanting to save everyone.

The dreams prepare you for this. In the dreams, you're hearing voices of dead companions, and you're chasing a child who, no matter how hard you try to help him, will always burn before your eyes. It's about reminding you of, and making you feel guilty for the people you couldn't save.

All of this is preparing you for the ending, where the Reapers are trying to sway you from the option that is least favourable to them, by telling you that your friends will die.

What's the number one reason non-destroyers pick their endings? They don't want to sacrifice EDI and the Geth. They want to save everyone. The Reapers are simply exploiting the human weakness of always wanting to save everyone (or at least as many as possible).

But the game (through dialogues with your squadmates) teaches you time and again that that is not always the best course of action.

The key is understanding that you can't always win and save everyone at the same time. As a military leader, sometimes you need to make the hard choices and sacrifice the few to save the many.

Garrus: If just one survivor is left standing at the end of the war, then the fight was worth it. But humans want to save everyone. In this war, that's not going to happen.

Shepard: If you'd saved them all, would things have worked out better?
Vega: I... I don't know. I don't think so.
Shepard: The right choice is usually not the easy one.

(Also: implying there are right and wrong choices!)

Salarian councilor: Sometimes Spectres have to make sacrifices. I hope you're ready to do that when the time comes.

Omega even made a point to explain this even better. It's a huge clue for understanding the ending:

Aria: Nyreen's code of ethics won't let her sit by if civilians are exposed. It's what makes her utterly predictable and easy to manipulate.

I think you should remember that the Reapers are extremely cunning and manipulative. They have brainwashed countless cycles' leaders into begging to be harvested. They do this by twisting your perception. They know how to manipulate organics, and humans are easy to manipulate either by a promise of power or by a promise of eternal peace and no more dead pals.

And that's how Bioware manipulates the player. They condition us to care for these characters, they reward us all throughout three games for choosing paragon options that create peace and harmony and ensure everybody survives. The whole point of the suicide mission was to keep as many people alive as possible. Even Omega rewards us for taking the paragon route at the reactor: even though we are prepared to sacrifice Aria and Nyreen for the many people of Omega, we can save everyone!

And then we come at the end, and it's a whole different ball game. These guys are ancient, savagely intelligent. They can influence the way our brains work in ways we don't even know. Don't even think to underestimate them. Go along with their suggestions, and you'll be in for a hell of a surprise:

Soldier:  But converting other life forms into Reapers... I can't wrap my head around that.
Garrus: Makes sense to me.  It ensures you never run out of cannon fodder. Eliminates any local resistance. And for every soldier you add, your enemy loses two: the one you converted, and his buddy on the other side who can't pull the trigger on a friend. (...)
Soldier: But the Reapers want to destroy us.
Garrus: And I have no intention of letting them. But If you don't respect your enemy's capabilities, you're in for one nasty surprise after another.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:58 .