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You don't risk the entire galaxy because you don't want to have to feel guilt.


Exactly. As a military leader, you NEED to be able to make sacrifices.

I'm just as peace loving as the next guy, but pacifists don't make good generals.

And besides, Geth and EDI said they were prepared to die for the cause.

Can't take a gamble with the entire galaxy at stake.

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BatmanTurian wrote...
Interesting metaphor, but I prefer something you are familiar with.
Shepard=Edward  
Catalyst= Father
Harbinger= Pride
Reapers= Homunculi

Fixed it for you, unless you were doing original FMA then sorry. Hoenheim was a good guy and Pride, if any, would be more like Harbinger. However, you actually feel for the Homunculi while you don't really care about Reapers.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

You don't risk the entire galaxy because you don't want to have to feel guilt. Anyone who sides with a robot race over the human race can start with themselves


Hell, I'd sacrifice the human race just as quickly as the geth.  It's bigger than any one race.  It's bigger than the entire cycle.  Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers is worth it.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Interesting metaphor, but I prefer something you are familiar with.
Shepard=Edward  
Catalyst= Father
Harbinger= Pride
Reapers= Homunculi

Fixed it for you. Hoenheim was a good guy and Pride, if any, would be more like Harbinger.

I might have confused the two. but you get the idea.

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a military leader who's not able to make sacrifices isn't a very good one imo, not that they shouldn't care about losses but sometimes it's impossible to save everyone and being able to save 1000 while sacrificing 100 is worth it if it's the only way.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Interesting metaphor, but I prefer something you are familiar with.
Shepard=Edward  
Catalyst= Father
Harbinger= Pride
Reapers= Homunculi

Fixed it for you. Hoenheim was a good guy and Pride, if any, would be more like Harbinger.

I might have confused the two. but you get the idea.

They do look exactly the same, and you thought that until Father says otherwise, so you're forgiven. And yes, I get the idea because I'm working on a Reapers=Homunculi thread.Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

You don't risk the entire galaxy because you don't want to have to feel guilt. Anyone who sides with a robot race over the human race can start with themselves


Hell, I'd sacrifice the human race just as quickly as the geth.  It's bigger than any one race.  It's bigger than the entire cycle.  Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers is worth it.


Agreed. Even if you had to sacrifice almost the entire galaxy, I'd still do it. Sure, it would be horrible, but if it's the only way it stops...

I'd even sacrifice Earth.

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I have to get off. I need to go take my final final (heh) for the semester. See you guys in a few hours.

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CoolioThane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

On another note, as far as I heard the world is supposed to end at 1:00 in the morning (where I am). Who wants to
be at the end of the world with me? Posted Image


How many hours are you from GMT? :P

I believe you are 8 hours ahead of me (assuming London time zone). So, the end is supposedly at 1:00AM here, so 9:00AM there.

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@ Darth Revan:

Good luck!

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

You don't risk the entire galaxy because you don't want to have to feel guilt. Anyone who sides with a robot race over the human race can start with themselves


Hell, I'd sacrifice the human race just as quickly as the geth.  It's bigger than any one race.  It's bigger than the entire cycle.  Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers is worth it.


Agreed. Even if you had to sacrifice almost the entire galaxy, I'd still do it. Sure, it would be horrible, but if it's the only way it stops...

I'd even sacrifice Earth.

Thirded. Also DD, Earth is nothing compared to the entire human race or the galaxy.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

You don't risk the entire galaxy because you don't want to have to feel guilt. Anyone who sides with a robot race over the human race can start with themselves


Hell, I'd sacrifice the human race just as quickly as the geth.  It's bigger than any one race.  It's bigger than the entire cycle.  Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers is worth it.


Agreed. Even if you had to sacrifice almost the entire galaxy, I'd still do it. Sure, it would be horrible, but if it's the only way it stops...

I'd even sacrifice Earth.


If the choice was 'sacrifice Earth to destroy the Reapers,' I wouldnt even have to think about it. I think the game banked far too much on people caring about Earth.

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In Omega, not taking the three Renegade interrupts is the right thing to do; it shows that you're willing to sacrifice the few for the many and victory.

"Willing" is the important part of that message, because as it turns out, they don't actually die. This is exactly what the Destroy ending is: You show that you're willing to do anything, and that no cost is too great to kill the Reapers.

And as it turns out, it's the only ending where the Reapers die.

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Um I would doom my whole race to end the Reapers. I would kill my squadmates to end the Reapers if they had to die. I would doom the whole galaxy to end the Reapers. I would kill my Shepard to just finish off the Reapers once and for all.

Really. I care about everyone yes that includes the Batarians, but if few, or more have to die just to end the nightmer/ kill all Reapers, then so be it.

Call me evil, or crazy, but if it came down to it I would. Believe me I want to save everyone, but it's a shadow of thought for little children.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

You don't risk the entire galaxy because you don't want to have to feel guilt. Anyone who sides with a robot race over the human race can start with themselves


Hell, I'd sacrifice the human race just as quickly as the geth.  It's bigger than any one race.  It's bigger than the entire cycle.  Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers is worth it.


Agreed. Even if you had to sacrifice almost the entire galaxy, I'd still do it. Sure, it would be horrible, but if it's the only way it stops...

I'd even sacrifice Earth.

Thirded. Also DD, Earth is nothing compared to the entire human race or the galaxy.


Yeah of course, I posted that in the wrong order. I assumed people would realize that. :P

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byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

You don't risk the entire galaxy because you don't want to have to feel guilt. Anyone who sides with a robot race over the human race can start with themselves


Hell, I'd sacrifice the human race just as quickly as the geth.  It's bigger than any one race.  It's bigger than the entire cycle.  Whatever it takes to destroy the Reapers is worth it.


Agreed. Even if you had to sacrifice almost the entire galaxy, I'd still do it. Sure, it would be horrible, but if it's the only way it stops...

I'd even sacrifice Earth.


If the choice was 'sacrifice Earth to destroy the Reapers,' I wouldnt even have to think about it. I think the game banked far too much on people caring about Earth.


Personally, I think all the "Take Earth Back" marketing was because that's all we'll be doing in ME3, that's what the post-end content will accomplish, but the rest of the galaxy will still need taking back.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

In Omega, not taking the three Renegade interrupts is the right thing to do; it shows that you're willing to sacrifice the few for the many and victory.

"Willing" is the important part of that message, because as it turns out, they don't actually die. This is exactly what the Destroy ending is: You show that you're willing to do anything, and that no cost is too great to kill the Reapers.

And as it turns out, it's the only ending where the Reapers die.


I agree with you, except for the last part. I don't think the Reapers die at all. But yeah, they die in the literal interpretation, if that is what you meant.

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byne wrote...

If the choice was 'sacrifice Earth to destroy the Reapers,' I wouldnt even have to think about it. I think the game banked far too much on people caring about Earth.


For some reason, a lot of people thought we'd have to send Sol into supernova or detonate the Charon Relay to destroy the Reapers who were all conveniently gathered at Earth.  Neither of which would actually kill them since the Reapers can just FTL the hell out of dodge, but it was a popular theory before release.

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Personally, I think all the "Take Earth Back" marketing was because that's all we'll be doing in ME3, that's what the post-end content will accomplish, but the rest of the galaxy will still need taking back.


Still, the focus on Earth is one of my biggest problems with the game. Up until the Reapers move the Citadel there, we have no legitimate reason for focusing on Earth to the detriment of every other part of the galaxy. Palaven went to **** at around the same time, but we dont gather fleets to take it back.

Earth really has no strategic importance, yet all the fleets gather behind you to take it back, just because thats what the trailer told them to do.

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In the Marvel Now Deadpool series, the zombie presidents glow green, including clothes and stuff - made me think of synthesis

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

In Omega, not taking the three Renegade interrupts is the right thing to do; it shows that you're willing to sacrifice the few for the many and victory.

"Willing" is the important part of that message, because as it turns out, they don't actually die. This is exactly what the Destroy ending is: You show that you're willing to do anything, and that no cost is too great to kill the Reapers.

And as it turns out, it's the only ending where the Reapers die.


I agree with you, except for the last part. I don't think the Reapers die at all. But yeah, they die in the literal interpretation, if that is what you meant.


Sorry, I meant in a literal end. But that's all Shepard knows because he doesn't know it's an illusion. Again, willingness.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Thirded. Also DD, Earth is nothing compared to the entire human race or the galaxy.


Yeah of course, I posted that in the wrong order. I assumed people would realize that. :P

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byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Personally, I think all the "Take Earth Back" marketing was because that's all we'll be doing in ME3, that's what the post-end content will accomplish, but the rest of the galaxy will still need taking back.


Still, the focus on Earth is one of my biggest problems with the game. Up until the Reapers move the Citadel there, we have no legitimate reason for focusing on Earth to the detriment of every other part of the galaxy. Palaven went to **** at around the same time, but we dont gather fleets to take it back.

Earth really has no strategic importance, yet all the fleets gather behind you to take it back, just because thats what the trailer told them to do.


No, it's because it's where we need to go in order to hook up the Crucible to the Citadel.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

In Omega, not taking the three Renegade interrupts is the right thing to do; it shows that you're willing to sacrifice the few for the many and victory.

"Willing" is the important part of that message, because as it turns out, they don't actually die. This is exactly what the Destroy ending is: You show that you're willing to do anything, and that no cost is too great to kill the Reapers.

And as it turns out, it's the only ending where the Reapers die.


I agree with you, except for the last part. I don't think the Reapers die at all. But yeah, they die in the literal interpretation, if that is what you meant.


Sorry, I meant in a literal end. But that's all Shepard knows because he doesn't know it's an illusion. Again, willingness.


Exactly, couldn't agree more.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Personally, I think all the "Take Earth Back" marketing was because that's all we'll be doing in ME3, that's what the post-end content will accomplish, but the rest of the galaxy will still need taking back.


Still, the focus on Earth is one of my biggest problems with the game. Up until the Reapers move the Citadel there, we have no legitimate reason for focusing on Earth to the detriment of every other part of the galaxy. Palaven went to **** at around the same time, but we dont gather fleets to take it back.

Earth really has no strategic importance, yet all the fleets gather behind you to take it back, just because thats what the trailer told them to do.


No, it's because it's where we need to go in order to hook up the Crucible to the Citadel.


They were following you before that, though. They were gonna help retake Earth before the Citadel was there.