BleedingUranium wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
I'm just reposting this since I really want opinions on this.
I love that you made that whole wall of text just to say "The kid saying 'you can't help me' means he can't help the Reapers, and that's why he can help him at the end, if he picks Control or Synthesis".
Modifié par Dwailing, 21 décembre 2012 - 02:24 .
byne wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
So what does everyone plan on doing after IT happence?
Will we see eachother until the next me game, or go to the off topic thread, and continue our daily talk?
I will simply move the 'Was' two words to the right and remove the '?' from the thread title, and we will continue on as usual.
Nicebyne wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
So what does everyone plan on doing after IT happence?
Will we see eachother until the next me game, or go to the off topic thread, and continue our daily talk?
I will simply move the 'Was' two words to the right and remove the '?' from the thread title, and we will continue on as usual.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Wait - Spectre Batman?lex0r11 wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I wonder how many idiots will die typing on their computers
I don't know.
What I do know is how I will bite the dust during this apocalypse since I was essentially promoted to "Spectre Batman" of BSN by Jade.
Dwailing wrote...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
OK, I just want to say one last thing before I call it a night. Since we've brought up the kid, has anyone thought about what the kid on Earth could actually represent? I mean, besides Shepard's guilt. Here's my hypothesis.
The kid is a hallucination from the start, and his dialogue is meant to symbolize that Sheoard is not ready to be fully indoctrinated. Yet. Think about it. Probably the main kid line is, "You can't help me." This could mean that Shepard is not yet ready. What does the kid then do when you see him at th end? He asks Shepard to help him find a new solution. Remember, it's, "We find a new solution," not, "You find a new solution." The kid is telling Shepard to do that which the kid did not permit before, give him help. And right after that? He talks about Destroy, how bad it is, and how it's not a solution to the kid's problem. It doesn't "help" him, which would be a big deal, subconsciously, to Shepard, who still blames himself for not being able to help the kid, as shown by the dreams.
Again, think back. What's the first thing Shepard says after hearing the kid describe Destroy? "There must be another way." Now, it's possible that Shepard is starting to reconsider wanting to destroy the Reapers because of the geth and EDI, but I think another part of it is that he doesn't want to "fail" the kid again.
Now, there might be one final layer here. It has to do with Synthesis. This, as we all know, is the kid's preferred ending. His final solution (See what I did there? Gotta love Godwin's Law.). Now, there's really not much more I can say beyond this. The kid gives the option because he knows Shepard doesn't want to fail him. And in Control, Shepard is still going to replace him. It's quite possible that Shepard is now having a hard time deciding what to do because he knows that either way, the kid ceases to exist. So, in order to speed Shepard on his merry, indoctrinated way, the kid gives a third choice. A choice where the kid does not die, and Shepard helps him to achieve his "perfect" solution. A choice custom tailored for Shepard, who more than anything else, at least at first, just longs for a chance to go back and help that poor boy from Earth.
Now, I apologize if this gets difficult to follow at any point. It IS 12:41 am here, and I'm rather tired. I just figured I should share this since it's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. I think tomorrow I'll put it in the form of a blog post, which will help me to refine it a bit.
Edit: YES! Top with a great (I think) post that's on topic! And it's a wall of text (At least on my phone), too.
I'm just reposting this since I really want opinions on this.
I kind of like the idea, but the weak point of it is that I don't believe Shepard thinks of the "catalyst" in the ending as that kid from Earth. Know what I mean?
Um, no, I don't think I know what you mean. Would you please make it clearer?
byne wrote...
Purple is clearly the best lightsaber color.
Dual wielding is also better than single saber or double bladed.
Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 21 décembre 2012 - 02:38 .
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
OK, I just want to say one last thing before I call it a night. Since we've brought up the kid, has anyone thought about what the kid on Earth could actually represent? I mean, besides Shepard's guilt. Here's my hypothesis.
The kid is a hallucination from the start, and his dialogue is meant to symbolize that Sheoard is not ready to be fully indoctrinated. Yet. Think about it. Probably the main kid line is, "You can't help me." This could mean that Shepard is not yet ready. What does the kid then do when you see him at th end? He asks Shepard to help him find a new solution. Remember, it's, "We find a new solution," not, "You find a new solution." The kid is telling Shepard to do that which the kid did not permit before, give him help. And right after that? He talks about Destroy, how bad it is, and how it's not a solution to the kid's problem. It doesn't "help" him, which would be a big deal, subconsciously, to Shepard, who still blames himself for not being able to help the kid, as shown by the dreams.
Again, think back. What's the first thing Shepard says after hearing the kid describe Destroy? "There must be another way." Now, it's possible that Shepard is starting to reconsider wanting to destroy the Reapers because of the geth and EDI, but I think another part of it is that he doesn't want to "fail" the kid again.
Now, there might be one final layer here. It has to do with Synthesis. This, as we all know, is the kid's preferred ending. His final solution (See what I did there? Gotta love Godwin's Law.). Now, there's really not much more I can say beyond this. The kid gives the option because he knows Shepard doesn't want to fail him. And in Control, Shepard is still going to replace him. It's quite possible that Shepard is now having a hard time deciding what to do because he knows that either way, the kid ceases to exist. So, in order to speed Shepard on his merry, indoctrinated way, the kid gives a third choice. A choice where the kid does not die, and Shepard helps him to achieve his "perfect" solution. A choice custom tailored for Shepard, who more than anything else, at least at first, just longs for a chance to go back and help that poor boy from Earth.
Now, I apologize if this gets difficult to follow at any point. It IS 12:41 am here, and I'm rather tired. I just figured I should share this since it's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. I think tomorrow I'll put it in the form of a blog post, which will help me to refine it a bit.
Edit: YES! Top with a great (I think) post that's on topic! And it's a wall of text (At least on my phone), too.
I'm just reposting this since I really want opinions on this.
I kind of like the idea, but the weak point of it is that I don't believe Shepard thinks of the "catalyst" in the ending as that kid from Earth. Know what I mean?
Um, no, I don't think I know what you mean. Would you please make it clearer?
Well, you're saying that Shepard is helping the kid in the ending, and that the kid ceases to exist in control, etcetera, but Shepard knows (s)he's talking to the Reaper AI, not the actual kid from Earth, even though that is exactly what he looks like. (except for looking all glowy and such)
Now if there is a subconscious effect (like spotless suggests), I think it's simply that the "catalyst" looks like the kid, because he is playing on Shepard's guilt that (s)he couldn't save everyone, which is also what the dreams are about, and both of these things factor into the 'but-if-you-destroy-the-Reapers-your-friends-will-die!' nature of the manipulation.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yeah, the same Jade. It comes from a thread where some people posted pictures of themselves in real life for fun, and someone photoshop'd some people including Jade into asari. Jokes ensued about romancing herself and I have leet Paint skills, so I made a banner for itDoomsdayDevice wrote...
Hey Banshee, what's up with that signature? Jade?
From 'Down Under'? =P
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
byne wrote...
Purple is clearly the best lightsaber color.
Dual wielding is also better than single saber or double bladed.
Agreed with the colour. Disagreed with dual wielding.
Single saber is superior to everything else in every sense.
I might be biased because I've spent so many years doing JKDF2 SBX 3.1 sabre tournaments online.
You can put much more power in a single strike, and the disadvantage of duel-wielding is that it's so much easier to knock the blades aside, because they're only held with one hand.
Dwailing wrote...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
I kind of like the idea, but the weak point of it is that I don't believe Shepard thinks of the "catalyst" in the ending as that kid from Earth. Know what I mean?
Um, no, I don't think I know what you mean. Would you please make it clearer?
Well, you're saying that Shepard is helping the kid in the ending, and that the kid ceases to exist in control, etcetera, but Shepard knows (s)he's talking to the Reaper AI, not the actual kid from Earth, even though that is exactly what he looks like. (except for looking all glowy and such)
Now if there is a subconscious effect (like spotless suggests), I think it's simply that the "catalyst" looks like the kid, because he is playing on Shepard's guilt that (s)he couldn't save everyone, which is also what the dreams are about, and both of these things factor into the 'but-if-you-destroy-the-Reapers-your-friends-will-die!' nature of the manipulation.
True, this is more of a subconscious effect. However, this whole thing IS taking place in Shepard's mind. A mind that is being manipulated by the Reapers, even if it isn't fully indoctrinated yet. Subconscious effects could have a far greater effect on a mind in the process of indoctrination than on a mind untouched by the Reapers.
Interesting. I like it.TheConstantOne wrote...
So, here's something I've noticed that does not relate directly to IT but is still neat to consider.
I think the Illusive Man might actually disgusted by some of the actions he's taken in name of humanity. From the Evolution comics, it doesn't seem like he smoke or drank NEARLY as much as he does in every other appearance he makes, if at all. But fast forward to the time of the games and we see that TIM is a heavy smoker, drinks often, and is quite the womanizer. All of these activities could be viewed as a coping mechanism.
Obviously, this is not true for everyone but, in TIM's case, it just might apply. He often notes to Shepard that he "has sacrificed more than you will ever know." He has done the things he's done because he felt it was necessary, even if he knew they were horrible. He essentially sacrificed his own soul to advance and protect humanity.
Anyway, thought some of you might be interested in this analysis. It's another possible layer to TIM's character
Dwailing wrote...
You're both wrong. Saberstaff, FTW!
TheConstantOne wrote...
So, here's something I've noticed that does not relate directly to IT but is still neat to consider.
I think the Illusive Man might actually disgusted by some of the actions he's taken in name of humanity. From the Evolution comics, it doesn't seem like he smoke or drank NEARLY as much as he does in every other appearance he makes, if at all. But fast forward to the time of the games and we see that TIM is a heavy smoker, drinks often, and is quite the womanizer. All of these activities could be viewed as a coping mechanism.
Obviously, this is not true for everyone but, in TIM's case, it just might apply. He often notes to Shepard that he "has sacrificed more than you will ever know." He has done the things he's done because he felt it was necessary, even if he knew they were horrible. He essentially sacrificed his own soul to advance and protect humanity.
Anyway, thought some of you might be interested in this analysis. It's another possible layer to TIM's character
Here you go.DoomsdayDevice wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yeah, the same Jade. It comes from a thread where some people posted pictures of themselves in real life for fun, and someone photoshop'd some people including Jade into asari. Jokes ensued about romancing herself and I have leet Paint skills, so I made a banner for itDoomsdayDevice wrote...
Hey Banshee, what's up with that signature? Jade?
From 'Down Under'? =P
Haha, nice, I must have missed that thread.
Dwailing wrote...
OK, I just want to say one last thing before I call it a night. Since we've brought up the kid, has anyone thought about what the kid on Earth could actually represent? I mean, besides Shepard's guilt. Here's my hypothesis.
The kid is a hallucination from the start, and his dialogue is meant to symbolize that Sheoard is not ready to be fully indoctrinated. Yet. Think about it. Probably the main kid line is, "You can't help me." This could mean that Shepard is not yet ready. What does the kid then do when you see him at th end? He asks Shepard to help him find a new solution. Remember, it's, "We find a new solution," not, "You find a new solution." The kid is telling Shepard to do that which the kid did not permit before, give him help. And right after that? He talks about Destroy, how bad it is, and how it's not a solution to the kid's problem. It doesn't "help" him, which would be a big deal, subconsciously, to Shepard, who still blames himself for not being able to help the kid, as shown by the dreams.
Again, think back. What's the first thing Shepard says after hearing the kid describe Destroy? "There must be another way." Now, it's possible that Shepard is starting to reconsider wanting to destroy the Reapers because of the geth and EDI, but I think another part of it is that he doesn't want to "fail" the kid again.
Now, there might be one final layer here. It has to do with Synthesis. This, as we all know, is the kid's preferred ending. His final solution (See what I did there? Gotta love Godwin's Law.). Now, there's really not much more I can say beyond this. The kid gives the option because he knows Shepard doesn't want to fail him. And in Control, Shepard is still going to replace him. It's quite possible that Shepard is now having a hard time deciding what to do because he knows that either way, the kid ceases to exist. So, in order to speed Shepard on his merry, indoctrinated way, the kid gives a third choice. A choice where the kid does not die, and Shepard helps him to achieve his "perfect" solution. A choice custom tailored for Shepard, who more than anything else, at least at first, just longs for a chance to go back and help that poor boy from Earth.
Now, I apologize if this gets difficult to follow at any point. It IS 12:41 am here, and I'm rather tired. I just figured I should share this since it's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. I think tomorrow I'll put it in the form of a blog post, which will help me to refine it a bit.
Edit: YES! Top with a great (I think) post that's on topic! And it's a wall of text (At least on my phone), too.
Modifié par TheConstantOne, 21 décembre 2012 - 02:50 .
Modifié par lex0r11, 21 décembre 2012 - 02:52 .
BleedingUranium wrote...
TheConstantOne wrote...
So, here's something I've noticed that does not relate directly to IT but is still neat to consider.
I think the Illusive Man might actually disgusted by some of the actions he's taken in name of humanity. From the Evolution comics, it doesn't seem like he smoke or drank NEARLY as much as he does in every other appearance he makes, if at all. But fast forward to the time of the games and we see that TIM is a heavy smoker, drinks often, and is quite the womanizer. All of these activities could be viewed as a coping mechanism.
Obviously, this is not true for everyone but, in TIM's case, it just might apply. He often notes to Shepard that he "has sacrificed more than you will ever know." He has done the things he's done because he felt it was necessary, even if he knew they were horrible. He essentially sacrificed his own soul to advance and protect humanity.
Anyway, thought some of you might be interested in this analysis. It's another possible layer to TIM's character
Huh, that never occurred to me, but is certainly possible. Nice
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
You're both wrong. Saberstaff, FTW!
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