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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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masster blaster wrote...

I guess after school I am free to come on here on the weekdays. Cool.


congratulations!  Now just make sure to do all your homework, don't get into fights, keep those grades up, and of course keep eating your meals 

:lol:

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So have any of you seen the Destroying the collector base is a stupid idea thread. Really um I thought is was a great idea because I never trusted Cerberus, and I wanted to blow the base to hell because incase the Reapers take over the station again, then ya I am not doing another mission again.

Also have any of you played Dynasty Warriors. Shu is green. Wei is blue, Wu is Red.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I guess after school I am free to come on here on the weekdays. Cool.


congratulations!  Now just make sure to do all your homework, don't get into fights, keep those grades up, and of course keep eating your meals 

:lol:

Dont listen to him, come here whenever you want, you know what, that school thingy is keeping you away from everything you want, c´mon leave school and enjoy life
:devil:

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Well, I see we're all still here. Let's boogie!

Modifié par Dwailing, 21 décembre 2012 - 04:57 .


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You know...all the news medias are keeping mum about the end of the world thing. Guess they just now realized that the illusive man was right after all. The world doesn't end. At least not without him saying so first lol

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Dwailing wrote...

Well, I see we're all still here. Let's boogy!


so...this is paradise?  Sleeping in a little, a cup of hot cocoa, and playing ME3. I think I like the end of the world! :lol:

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I choose to stay in school and go to collage. And I am enjoying life.

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masster blaster wrote...

I choose to stay in school and go to collage. And I am enjoying life.

-:devil:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
- And just like that masster stayed at school, and somehow saved xmas in the process....weird

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I wonder if anyone called into work saying "sorry I won't be making it to work tomorrow or any day after that because I heard the world was ending and I thought I didn't have to be at work for that. Good luck!" *Click*

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Fur28 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I choose to stay in school and go to collage. And I am enjoying life.

-:devil:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
- And just like that masster stayed at school, and somehow saved xmas in the process....weird


LMAO awesome!

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

You know...all the news medias are keeping mum about the end of the world thing. Guess they just now realized that the illusive man was right after all. The world doesn't end. At least not without him saying so first lol


though, now they're posting about how the new era has started and it started at 5am LOL omg these people. When their predictions fail, they go off and create a new one. 

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Something of interest in the last ten pages?

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So who is the better Villan.

God child
Harbinger
Nazara
TIM, or
Saren.

My pick Harbinger.

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Restrider wrote...

Something of interest in the last ten pages?


Well, about three pages ago (I think), I posted an analysis of just why the "Catalyst" chose to take the form of the kid.

Edit: Okay, it's on page 2380, but I'll repost it here.  However, you may want to look at the semi-OP since there's some discussion of it that comes afterwards.

Modifié par Dwailing, 21 décembre 2012 - 05:16 .


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masster blaster wrote...

So who is the better Villan.

God child
Harbinger
Nazara
TIM, or
Saren.

My pick Harbinger.


Nazara / Sovereign had the best speaches. However no villain has ever inspired such sheer loathing in me as that radioactive rug-rat Glow Boy.

Admitedly that's for meta-game reasons, as I still blame him for potentially ruining one of my favourite franchises - unless he turns out to be Harbinger in an epic IT reveal of course.

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So isn't it funny that the God child calls himself the Catalyst, but not the intellegnce.

Also remember in the EC for Leviathan there was a question Shepard was going to ask.

What is Harbingers old tongue mean?

I can't remember what Shepard really would say, but that was very intresting.

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Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just want to say one last thing before I call it a night. Since we've brought up the kid, has anyone thought about what the kid on Earth could actually represent? I mean, besides Shepard's guilt. Here's my hypothesis.

The kid is a hallucination from the start, and his dialogue is meant to symbolize that Sheoard is not ready to be fully indoctrinated. Yet. Think about it. Probably the main kid line is, "You can't help me." This could mean that Shepard is not yet ready. What does the kid then do when you see him at th end? He asks Shepard to help him find a new solution. Remember, it's, "We find a new solution," not, "You find a new solution." The kid is telling Shepard to do that which the kid did not permit before, give him help. And right after that? He talks about Destroy, how bad it is, and how it's not a solution to the kid's problem. It doesn't "help" him, which would be a big deal, subconsciously, to Shepard, who still blames himself for not being able to help the kid, as shown by the dreams.

Again, think back. What's the first thing Shepard says after hearing the kid describe Destroy? "There must be another way." Now, it's possible that Shepard is starting to reconsider wanting to destroy the Reapers because of the geth and EDI, but I think another part of it is that he doesn't want to "fail" the kid again.

Now, there might be one final layer here. It has to do with Synthesis. This, as we all know, is the kid's preferred ending. His final solution (See what I did there? Gotta love Godwin's Law.). Now, there's really not much more I can say beyond this. The kid gives the option because he knows Shepard doesn't want to fail him. And in Control, Shepard is still going to replace him. It's quite possible that Shepard is now having a hard time deciding what to do because he knows that either way, the kid ceases to exist. So, in order to speed Shepard on his merry, indoctrinated way, the kid gives a third choice. A choice where the kid does not die, and Shepard helps him to achieve his "perfect" solution. A choice custom tailored for Shepard, who more than anything else, at least at first, just longs for a chance to go back and help that poor boy from Earth.

Now, I apologize if this gets difficult to follow at any point. It IS 12:41 am here, and I'm rather tired. I just figured I should share this since it's been bouncing around in my head for a bit. I think tomorrow I'll put it in the form of a blog post, which will help me to refine it a bit.

Edit: YES!  Top with a great (I think) post that's on topic!  And it's a wall of text (At least on my phone), too.


Reposting for Restrider.

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Restrider wrote...

Something of interest in the last ten pages?


other than the world ending?

by the way this is how you stoke mass hysteria and stir the fires:

Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History even suggested that historical calculations to synchronize the Mayan and Western calendars might be off a few days. It said the Mayan Long Count calendar cycle might not really end until Sunday.Lol. Guess it'll give us a bit of time to finish the weekend op

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Okay guys I have to go. See ya until 4:28.

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The reapers are landing one hundred and seventy something years too soon, they brought Caesar's comet with them, AND PROM'S TOMORROW!!

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I'm going to play some MP now, if anyone wants to join me and Blur. I'd also like to say: Since it's the end of the world, it's been [insert all of the positive adjectives] to be a part of this thread. I'll let the music and the picture sum the rest up. Posted Image
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This is exactly what I want to see! I never understood why some people say we shouldn't get this and/or that Mass Effect is a dark series. How is it dark? The Reapers? How are they different from Sauron and his minions, or the Sith and theirs, or all the other villains I can think of? Hell, Halo's way darker than Mass Effect.

If you want a less happy ending, I'm sure there would be those too, just like in ME2. But in ME2, you could also return from the suicide mission without losing a single person, including your crew. That's hardly dark.

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Fancy some MP Blur? Try to get the challenges?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'm going to play some MP now, if anyone wants to join me and Blur. I'd also like to say: Since it's the end of the world, it's been [insert all of the positive adjectives] to be a part of this thread. I'll let the music and the picture sum the rest up. Posted Image
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This is exactly what I want to see! I never understood why some people say we shouldn't get this and/or that Mass Effect is a dark series. How is it dark? The Reapers? How are they different from Sauron and his minions, or the Sith and theirs, or all the other villains I can think of? Hell, Halo's way darker than Mass Effect.

If you want a less happy ending, I'm sure there would be those too, just like in ME2. But in ME2, you could also return from the suicide mission without losing a single person, including your crew. That's hardly dark.


because Bioware wanted to be cool and artsy, and for some reason they though that dark and tragedy=art

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Fur28 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'm going to play some MP now, if anyone wants to join me and Blur. I'd also like to say: Since it's the end of the world, it's been [insert all of the positive adjectives] to be a part of this thread. I'll let the music and the picture sum the rest up. Posted Image
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This is exactly what I want to see! I never understood why some people say we shouldn't get this and/or that Mass Effect is a dark series. How is it dark? The Reapers? How are they different from Sauron and his minions, or the Sith and theirs, or all the other villains I can think of? Hell, Halo's way darker than Mass Effect.

If you want a less happy ending, I'm sure there would be those too, just like in ME2. But in ME2, you could also return from the suicide mission without losing a single person, including your crew. That's hardly dark.


because Bioware wanted to be cool and artsy, and for some reason they though that dark and tragedy=art


Nah, I don't have a problem with the currents "endings", because I don't see them as endings. If we don't get something post-end, however, I'll be unhappy.

It's important to note that IT doesn't need a reveal to be true, but the story does need more.


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Modifié par BleedingUranium, 21 décembre 2012 - 06:50 .


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Hooray, we all survived the end of the Mayan Doomsday Clock! I'm so happy you guys lived!
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