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[Restrider]

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

[BleedingUranium]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Well, Saren didn't actively advocate Synthesis until the end. For most of the game, he advocated submission which is actually more along the lines of Refuse than synthesis. Kai Leng, however, advocated Synthesis the entire time.

Right, once he was even more indoctrinated.

"I am a vision of the future, Shepard."

[BansheeOwnage]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

The reapers are landing one hundred and seventy something years too soon, they brought Caesar's comet with them, AND PROM'S TOMORROW!!

HAVE FUN AT PROM. NOW!

[BleedingUranium]

Restrider wrote...

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

I don't think there's an example of Refuse in the trilogy, because not taking action makes for crappy characters.

[BansheeOwnage]

Restrider wrote...

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

+1. Refuse is what Shepard said in ME1. She'd rather die than become a slave.

@Blur A vision of the future... hilarious 4th wall break, or

a vision - of the future?

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

+1. Refuse is what Shepard said in ME1. She'd rather die than become a slave.

@Blur A vision of the future... hilarious 4th wall break, or

a vision - of the future?

On that note: Hackett and ReaperShep both say "future" four times in their end speeches, while SynthesisEDI also says it once. Like you pointed out before, none of it has happened yet; it's what Shepard hopes for.

[demersel]

By the way, Mass effect 3 won IGN's best RPG, and Gametrailer's best soundtrack (YAY!) ))

[Restrider]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

I don't think there's an example of Refuse in the trilogy, because not taking action makes for crappy characters.

I won't open this can of worms again, but Refuse can be so much more in the light of IT than what is presented to us in literal POV.
Personally, I think Refuse has actually some sort of breath-scene-like event with the Guardian's reveal of its true voice.
Why does it do that?
Two possibilities:
1. The masquerade is not needed anymore, since Shepard has been broken (the common intepretation here).
2. The masquerade is not needed anymore, since Shepard denies any cooperation and won't help the Reapers at all.

And before everyone starts a sharpening their pitch-forks and lightning their torchs, I am not taking away any of the merits Destroy has. I just think that Refuse may be a way out of the hallucination as well.

Modifié par Restrider, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:11 .

[BansheeOwnage]

So... synthesis is a vision of the future. I'm totally using that more.

1. A vision of (taking place in) the future.

2. A vision that you see that shows the future.

3. Both at once in IT.

[Eryri]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Eryri it's actually not a krogan baby. It's a Wrex doll. Surprised and pleased that my post survives into today

My mistake. I suppose the suit of armour was rather a give-away.

[Fur28]

demersel wrote...

By the way, Mass effect 3 won IGN's best RPG, and Gametrailer's best soundtrack (YAY!) ))

hurray for the soundtrak(halo me sad:().
I dont know how this year was on RPGs so... yay

[Restrider]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

+1. Refuse is what Shepard said in ME1. She'd rather die than become a slave.

@Blur A vision of the future... hilarious 4th wall break, or

a vision - of the future?

On that note: Hackett and ReaperShep both say "future" four times in their end speeches, while SynthesisEDI also says it once. Like you pointed out before, none of it has happened yet; it's what Shepard hopes for.

I'd say the same applies for the Liara VI scene. Even there, Shepard has still hope to defeat the Reapers (in the next cycle though).
In the end this leaves us with no ending where the Reapers win, if we think literally (and I do believe BW's statement that there are endings that let the Reapers win, but I do not buy the statement that they mean the GAME OVER screen, because that is just way too stupid).

[demersel]

Fur28 - my main joy is the soundtrack. Cause it is awesome.

[BansheeOwnage]

Restrider wrote...
I won't open this can of worms again, but Refuse can be so much more in the light of IT than what is presented to us in literal POV.
Personally, I think Refuse has actually some sort of breath-scene-like event with the Guardian's reveal its true voice.
Why does it do that?
Two possibilities:
1. The masquerade is not needed anymore, since Shepard has been broken (the common intepretation here).
2. The masquerade is not needed anymore, since Shepard denies any cooperation and won't help the Reapers at all.

And before everyone starts a sharpening their pitch-forks and lightning their torchs, I am not taking away any of the merits Destroy has. I just think that Refuse may be a way out of the hallucination as well.

Again, well said. I like the concept of both having varying degrees of effectiveness at breaking the hallucination. I also like the idea (though I'm not married to it) that refuse and control could still end well if you have someone to save you (Liara, Javik, Geth, Rachni etc.) but synthesis would never end well.

[BleedingUranium]

Restrider wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

I don't think there's an example of Refuse in the trilogy, because not taking action makes for crappy characters.

I won't open this can of worms again, but Refuse can be so much more in the light of IT than what is presented to us in literal POV.
Personally, I think Refuse has actually some sort of breath-scene-like event with the Guardian's reveal its true voice.
Why does it do that?
Two possibilities:
1. The masquerade is not needed anymore, since Shepard has been broken (the common intepretation here).
2. The masquerade is not needed anymore, since Shepard denies any cooperation and won't help the Reapers at all.

And before everyone starts a sharpening their pitch-forks and lightning their torchs, I am not taking away any of the merits Destroy has. I just think that Refuse may be a way out of the hallucination as well.

I suppose my main point against Refuse is that in IT, Destroy is not one of the kid's options. And in literal it is, but there's no tricks and everything does what he says it does, so there's also no reason to pick it. So Refuse is really only an option in the Deception Theory, and it sucks.

[CmdrShep80]

@bleedinguranium- the ME dark series people are just referring to the fact that they want the lights off in the pic. They don't have a party with the lights on lol

[Eryri]

Restrider wrote...

Submission = Refuse?
I think that is plainly wrong.
Refuse is militantly anti-submissive to the extent that you (in literal POV) refuse to use any option the Guardian/Reapers present you with and in the end you doom the galaxy.

I must admit I have a soft spot for Refuse. I like the way it rejects the catalyst's entire philosophy that organic / synthetic conflict is inevitable. If it wasn't for the slightly spiteful "you lose" epilogue, and lack of a breath scene it would be my favourite. At the moment though, high EMS destroy still edges it for me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

demersel wrote...

By the way, Mass effect 3 won IGN's best RPG, and Gametrailer's best soundtrack (YAY!) ))

That's awesome! I'm so happy for them!
http://ts4.mm.bing.n...695623&pid=15.1

btw: do you prefer the one on top or this one for happy reactions:
http://ts4.mm.bing.n...529803&pid=15.1

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:27 .

[Jadebaby]

Anyone here played DAO?

Amazing game

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Eryri it's actually not a krogan baby. It's a Wrex doll. Surprised and pleased that my post survives into today

My mistake. I suppose the suit of armour was rather a give-away.

And the fact that it looks like Wrex and therefore can't be full-sized.  

@Restrider Agree with the reapers winning endings thing.

[Fur28]

demersel wrote...

Fur28 - my main joy is the soundtrack. Cause it is awesome.

Mass Effect Me: of course it was awesome thats why it won
Halo Me:  it was to awesome for them to comprehend
I loved both soundtracks, i love most videogame soundtracks so it´s always hard

Modifié par Fur28, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Anyone here played DAO?

Amazing game

Jade hello!    Have to go now though. See you when I get home.

[Jadebaby]

Okay, I'll head to sleep soon lol

[Fur28]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

demersel wrote...

By the way, Mass effect 3 won IGN's best RPG, and Gametrailer's best soundtrack (YAY!) ))

That's awesome! I'm so happy for them!
http://ts4.mm.bing.n...695623&pid=15.1

btw: do you prefer the one on top or this one for happy reactions:
http://ts4.mm.bing.n...529803&pid=15.1

the one on top it´s kind of annoying, so the bottom one

[byne]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Anyone here played DAO?

Amazing game

DA:O is ****ing fantastic.