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[Schachmatt123]

Rifneno wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

More SPECULATION:

So, I'm playing the beginning of ME3, to finish a FemShep Trilogy runthrough and to test the Firefight pack, and I noticed something: The little warning next to the vent the Kid is in has a picture of a lightning bolt... hitting someone's head. Duh duh duuuuh!!!

This appears everywhere you see the boy. Or most odd things in the game really.

I'm aware there are several warning signs, but this one seems very specific.

Good eye.  You're right.  It is.  We first discovered it in the first thread.  I did an entire playthrough with the sole purpose of scouring the game for that warning sign.  It isn't found anywhere else in the game.  Every other sign seems to get reused 100 times.  That one is utterly unique to Ventbinger.  Moreover, it makes no sense to be where it is.  There's no electricity in vents.  That's stupid.  That sign is completely out of place, has a unique graphic that could be used to indicate indoctrination warning, and isn't found anywhere else in a game that reuses all its signs everywhere.

People talk about how the shuttle scene where no one else seems to see the kid is the oddest of the Earth scenes.  I disagree.  The vent scene is downright chilling if you keep your eyes peeled.  There's just one thing after another after another after another that raises battleship-sized red flags.

Has this been discussed before?

Edit: Here's the original scene with all other sounds turned on, it is less obvious now ... more subtle.

Modifié par Schachmatt, 08 août 2012 - 07:34 .

[BlazingZephyr]

Schachmatt wrote...

Has this been discussed before?

That's... interesting.

And, from what I've seen, the kid is the second to get shot down, so why the scream when the first goes?

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 07:27 .

[Schachmatt123]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Has this been discussed before?

That's... interesting.

And, from what I've seen, the kid is the second to get shot down, so why the scream when the first goes?

Yes, not to mention that it's impossible to hear any scream at all

Modifié par Schachmatt, 08 août 2012 - 07:33 .

[RavenEyry]

Was the scream added in EC? I've only heard it mentioned in the last few weeks and I'd have thought it'd be more commonly known i it was there all along.

[Schachmatt123]

RavenEyry wrote...

Was the scream added in EC? I've only heard it mentioned in the last few weeks and I'd have thought it'd be more commonly known i it was there all along.

Both vids are from before EC, so yeah, it was there all along.

Modifié par Schachmatt, 08 août 2012 - 07:40 .

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

Was the scream added in EC? I've only heard it mentioned in the last few weeks and I'd have thought it'd be more commonly known i it was there all along.

Nope, was there all along.

[RavenEyry]

Very odd no one noticed it until a few weeks ago then. It seems obvious as soon as I saw the video when expecting it.

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

Very odd no one noticed it until a few weeks ago then. It seems obvious as soon as I saw the video when expecting it.

I noticed it in april 
Pretty sure others caught it before I did too

[RavenEyry]

I must have somehow just missed references to it then.

[CoolioThane]

The kid in the vent definitely isn't real. Real kids don't disappear with a reaper growl or survive buildings exploding or get through locked doors.

[Leonia]

Humakt83 wrote...

"The crash site's a nightmare."

"This nightmare never ends." - Liara

"I am starting to understand what the word "nightmare" means to organics. And why you feel trapped when you can't wake up." - EDI

"As a child, I always had nightmares about geth attacking me in my sleep.The worst horror I could imagine. Until now." -Tali

"The only thing Cerberus gave me that I'm grateful for.A precaution if I was ever captured by the enemy.Or couldn't wake from my nightmare." - Dr. Gavin Archer


"After your intervention, the Illusive Man insisted I find another test subject. Someone who shared my brother David's "abilities."I couldn't bear the thought of reliving the nightmare." - Dr. Gavin Archer

"Not a monster who tortured his own brother.I told him if his intention was to work with the devil, he only had to look in the mirror. I wanted out of his nightmare."
- Dr. Gavin Archer


"Believe me, it's a nightmare I re-live every night. He went berserk -- his mind became a computer virus that infected all our systems." - Dr. Gavin Archer

"Now I can have all-new nightmares about them."

"Well, anyone who lives through this war won't be short on nightmares." -Garrus

"I still have slime to clean off my armor.What a nightmare."

"Sounds like it was a nightmare down there."

"Now it's mutated asari. The Reapers are just a giant nightmare factory that never ends." -Garrus

"Tonight: A nightmare on Earth. Human leaders using military force on their own people." -Diana Allers

"It'll be the last one if I have anything to say about it. This nightmare finally ends today." - Commander Shepard

"I can hardly believe it, myself. Like everything back on Earth was some kind of nightmare." - Commander Shepard

"I think all the reports are starting to sink in. You can only live in denial so long.You either wake up or die. Either way..."

"If they're lucky, they grew up thinking the galaxy is basically a decent place.Some rough spots here and there, but for the most part, life makes sense. Now they find out it was all a lie.They wake up to see these things in the dark that just want to destroy everyone they ever cared about.If they survive, there'll be a lot of angry orphans out there looking for answers."

"Rila's not one of them yet. She can't be. She just needs to wake up! Look -- Rila's alive! She's not a monster.Please, let me wake her up. Then we can leave." - Samara's Daughter

"The hell it won't. We get to this artifact, and we can all wake up." - Commander Shepard.

"Wake up." - Catalyst

Well, that about pushed me towards accepting IT, in a nutshell. I'm sure there are even more examples than the ones listed there. Interesting comments from Archer in there, I assume some of those are if you didn't try to stop Project Overlord? Also, does Shepard get the option to talk about her bad dreams with every LI before Cronos station? Always thought that was a telling point to talk about the subject.

[Zan51]

Hmm, a thought. Could Vent kid be an actual plant by the Reapers in some way? A synthetic human kid?? Or is it pretty much decided Shep only sees him? If so what triggers seeing him in the roof top garden playing with the Normandy?

[Ageless Face]

Schachmatt wrote...
Yes, not to mention that it's impossible to hear any scream at all

If it's not the same shuttle of the kid to get shot down, then isn't it most likely the scream is from someone else? Might be someone close enough for Shepard to hear a scream?

I mean, that kid was certaintly not the only one in Vancouver (even if he was the only kid we saw). And seeing a shuttle getting blown up will make everyone scream. It might not even have been a kid...

[RavenEyry]

HagarIshay wrote...

I mean, that kid was certaintly not the only one in Vancouver (even if he was the only kid we saw). And seeing a shuttle getting blown up will make everyone scream. It might not even have been a kid...

At that distance, it must have been James screaming.

[Rosewind]

TSA_383 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Very odd no one noticed it until a few weeks ago then. It seems obvious as soon as I saw the video when expecting it.

I noticed it in april 
Pretty sure others caught it before I did too

I noticed the first time I tought it was odd how we could hear some one screaming that loud from all the way over there.

[MaximizedAction]

Zan51 wrote...

Hmm, a thought. Could Vent kid be an actual plant by the Reapers in some way? A synthetic human kid?? Or is it pretty much decided Shep only sees him? If so what triggers seeing him in the roof top garden playing with the Normandy?

I'm wondering about that myself.
Before I knew about IT I thought the kid was a warning sign sent to Shepard by the Catalyst -- back then (and pre-EC) it seemed rather forthcoming to me.
With IT the kid seemed more of a evil intended Reaper induced hallucination, and still does today.

But never ever did I come to the conclusion that the kid in the beginning was actually real. If Bioware didn't want hat to be ambiguous they wouldn't have made the vent scene look the way it did, it's how to hint and portray a non-real character 101.

[Ageless Face]

RavenEyry wrote...
At that distance, it must have been James screaming.

Nah, too close. And not very Vega-like.

The scream was barely sound. And it wasn't THAT far.

[BlazingZephyr]

More Speculation, but not necessarily IT (forgive the old questions, just looking for fresh perspective and non-trolling):

Cerberus. We all know they sort of went from "End justify means" to "Derp, control Reapers," and this is often credited to bad writing/rush. However, if BioWare was oblivious to this odd shift in directive, how come the characters weren't? Shepard often states (indirectly) how idiotic TIM's actions are and questions the reasons for them, but the only explanation we are given is indoctrination.

When would TIM have been indoctrinated? He was not in prolonged contact with the artifact that gave him the magic eyes, and he is smart enough to avoid Reaper tech. I haven't read the novels, but I doubt he would spend much time in the presence of the Collector Base. Could some type of prologue/cerberus-related DLC come along to clarify this a little? Maybe, since it's somewhat Indoctrination-related, IT could fit in?

[TSA_383]

BlazingZephyr wrote...
When would TIM have been indoctrinated? He was not in prolonged contact with the artifact that gave him the magic eyes, and he is smart enough to avoid Reaper tech.

Playing devil's advocate, he did get implanted with reaper tech, although whether that was before or during ME3 is unclear...

[BlazingZephyr]

MOAR Possible speculation:

When asked if there will be more Citadel areas added AFTER Leviathan, Mike Gamble said that he couldn't tell us (which is practically a "yes"). Could this open up the possibility of including Keeper tunnels?

EDIT: Also, I went off on a tangent wit my last post. My issue wasn't so much the indoctrination as it was the apparent awareness of BioWare that TIM is so out of character.

EDIT 2:This could also be said about the Crucible blueprints on Mars. Shepard can ask why the hell we are JUST now finding them, and is given a very vague answer. Why would we even be able to question these things if BioWare wasn't aware of these oddities? Lack of choice and dialogue options is somewhat of a theme in ME3, so why give us the ability to question these inconsistencies, only to be met with obvious evasions of them (i.e. Process of elimination, control os better, blew)?

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 08:48 .

[BlazingZephyr]

Bump? For speculations?

[Jadebaby]

Rifneno wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

More SPECULATION:

So, I'm playing the beginning of ME3, to finish a FemShep Trilogy runthrough and to test the Firefight pack, and I noticed something: The little warning next to the vent the Kid is in has a picture of a lightning bolt... hitting someone's head. Duh duh duuuuh!!!

This appears everywhere you see the boy. Or most odd things in the game really.

I'm aware there are several warning signs, but this one seems very specific.

Good eye.  You're right.  It is.  We first discovered it in the first thread.  I did an entire playthrough with the sole purpose of scouring the game for that warning sign.  It isn't found anywhere else in the game.  Every other sign seems to get reused 100 times.  That one is utterly unique to Ventbinger.  Moreover, it makes no sense to be where it is.  There's no electricity in vents.  That's stupid.  That sign is completely out of place, has a unique graphic that could be used to indicate indoctrination warning, and isn't found anywhere else in a game that reuses all its signs everywhere.

People talk about how the shuttle scene where no one else seems to see the kid is the oddest of the Earth scenes.  I disagree.  The vent scene is downright chilling if you keep your eyes peeled.  There's just one thing after another after another after another that raises battleship-sized red flags.

It's also worth mentioning that on that exact sign is a warning: stop code 89.

code 89 is a crime against nature apparently.

That would be a sign.

[BlazingZephyr]

How do you know what the code is, Jade?

EDIT: Oh, google.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 09:13 .

[Schachmatt123]

HagarIshay wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
At that distance, it must have been James screaming.

Nah, too close. And not very Vega-like.

The scream was barely sound. And it wasn't THAT far.

Your kidding, aren't you? Where has been any scream like this in the whole game? None? Right. And then, all of the sudden, coincidentaly, in the very moments the shuttles went down, we can hear a scream? From that distance, out of a closed shuttle? With an echoed hall effect? Year right. <_<

I'm usually very careful what I accept as evidence, but this scene is definatly not somebody else screaming out of nowhere.

Modifié par Schachmatt, 08 août 2012 - 09:08 .

[BlazingZephyr]

Well, I'm going to bed now. I'll repost my speculations when more peeps are on.