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[DoomsdayDevice]

Damn it, I accidentally edited a post out, instead of making a new post.

What I said was:

Rifneno wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The geth are awesome. I consistently sided with Legion. That said, I'd kill each one of them by hand if it meant ridding the galaxy of the Reapers

I always sided with Legion as well. But I've always had an extremely uneasy feeling about the whole Reaper code thing. It always feels wrong to me.

I love Legion just as much as everyone else, I just think the sad truth is that he's been compromised.

I mean, seriously: No one thinks it's strange he thinks ridding the Geth of free will is "evidently an acceptable trade"?

Hello? This is the IT thread, is it not? Aren't we always rushing to point out how all of our crewmembers would rather die than be brainwashed?

You obviously missed the vaguely mournful tone of his usually deadpan voice when he said that.  Why would he say "evidentially" if he approved?  For that matter, why are there hardware shackles on him?  You know, when you find him and he specifically states that he would never agree to this?

Edit: Oh, and his obvious shame on the shuttle to the Reaper base?
Shepard: How'd we get here? The geth are better than this.
Legion: (hanging head) No. Based on empirical evidence, they are not.
It's obvious that he's opposed to the rest of the geth's decision.

I do not doubt Legion's intentions. Didn't Saren and TIM think they were acting in the galaxy's best interests? Also, note what I said about the Geth consensus a few posts up. (Because that's the post I accidentally edited - lol)

[demersel]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

By the way - Kenson is NOT a squadmate.

...was that ever in dispute?

I think so, yes - at one point we were comparing her to Jenkins and Anderson here. If i remember things right. 

[AresKeith]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Goddamn. You're still replying to me? What's your malfunction?

I'm just usually able to have a discussion without letting my personal feelings of the other person get the better of myself. And even if you ignore what I'm saying that's fine, then it's just for the others to see there isn't just one valid interpretation.

:3

[MegumiAzusa]

TheConstantOne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

As far as betrayal goes, if you don't allow him to use the code, he attacks you. I think this is not a case of betraying Legion, it's a case of having to put someone down because he's been indoctrinated, as painful and heartbreaking as that may be.

He attacks you because, by not allowing him to upload the code, you're dooming his entire people. You cant use that as evidence. It'd be like saying that Wrex attacking you after you sabotage the genophage is proof of his indoctrination. They're acting out of loyalty to their people, not loyalty to the Reapers.

I'm not using it as evidence for him being indoctrinated. I see your point though.

Soo betraying the Quarians who were our friends, at least some, isn't betraying friends?

Who said we were betraying the quarians?

Even when they get wiped out, Shep warned them, and they chose to keep firing. As usual, the quarians have no one but themselves to blame.

And the Geth could just have left. Also as Legion states they left the Quarians escape because they could not know if destroying them would somehow have grave consequences, and they seem to have made their mind up about it. It also means if the same clarity for the Geth would have been there 300 years ago no Quarian would even be alive. Both sides are to blame here.

Why should the geth leave? They came into consciousness, they have just as much of a right to be there as the quarians do.  The war continuing for as long as it has was a result of stupid behavior on both sides but the geth are definitely NOT at fault here.  Of course, my argument assumes a free willed AI should have the same rights as an organic.  If you disagree with that assumption, then there has to be a completely different debate here

The Geth could have tried to open negotiations with the Quarians instead of shooting them down whenever they met. Legion says they kept the world for the creators, but they did nothing to even suggest they would like to try to live in peace. They also could have tried a dialog with another race that is not in conflict with them, or in any case tried to do at least something that doesn't involve shooting everything down that came too close to their borders.

[spotlessvoid]

Finally doing a femshep play through.

Hale is definitely the more disciplined and reliable VA from what I've seen so far in ME1 and youtube videos. My only real complaint is her pitch sounds pretty fake at times, but her delivery is top notch. Interested to see where she takes it over the series.

Meer has a ton of natural talent and really improved his consistency over the series. He has an amazing voice that never sounds forced, but his lines don't always have the right emotional weight and early on his cadence could be pretty off. He's made really significant strides since ME1 though.

[DoomsdayDevice]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Why should the geth leave? They came into consciousness, they have just as much of a right to be there as the quarians do.  The war continuing for as long as it has was a result of stupid behavior on both sides but the geth are definitely NOT at fault here.  Of course, my argument assumes a free willed AI should have the same rights as an organic.  If you disagree with that assumption, then there has to be a completely different debate here

That is not actually what is in dispute. AFAIK, nobody is saying synthetics aren't really alive. Neither is this about who was in the wrong: it was obviously the Quarians who started the war.

This is about: Could the Geth have been compromised? (As in - rewritten by the Reapers when the Geth chose to align themselves with the Reapers) It's been going for a few pages.

[byne]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

That is not actually what is in dispute. AFAIK, nobody is saying synthetics aren't really alive. Neither is this about who was in the wrong: it was obviously the Quarians who started the war.

This is about: Could the Geth have been compromised? (As in - rewritten by the Reapers when the Geth chose to align themselves with the Reapers) It's been going for a few pages.

They could have been, but I really dont think they were.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Goddamn. You're still replying to me? What's your malfunction?

I'm just usually able to have a discussion without letting my personal feelings of the other person get the better of myself. And even if you ignore what I'm saying that's fine, then it's just for the others to see there isn't just one valid interpretation.

Right, that's what you're doing following up everything of mine you can with pointless nonsense like "we don't know who made the Citadel" or "AIs can lie." Silly me, I thought you were just back to your usual passive-aggressive nonsense, trying to be argumentative about every single thing possible just for the sake of doing so.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Goddamn. You're still replying to me? What's your malfunction?

I'm just usually able to have a discussion without letting my personal feelings of the other person get the better of myself. And even if you ignore what I'm saying that's fine, then it's just for the others to see there isn't just one valid interpretation.

Right, that's what you're doing following up everything of mine you can with pointless nonsense like "we don't know who made the Citadel" or "AIs can lie." Silly me, I thought you were just back to your usual passive-aggressive nonsense, trying to be argumentative about every single thing possible just for the sake of doing so.

And now you're back to insults again.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Reposting this from previous page, because I really screwed up a post with a bad edit there.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The point is, Geth operate on consensus. If individual Geth programs get compromised, they will start having an influence on decisions made in the consensus. If a significant part of the Geth have been rewritten by the Reapers, (like Javik suggests), they could cause the Geth as a whole to reach different conclusions and take different decisions.

Whether or not a number of the programs that make up Legion could have been compromised, isn't even relevant when the Geth as a whole have been.

And I repeat: they willngly joined the Reapers.

What was that again about the ending of ME3 that says willingly joining the Reapers = Indoctrinated?

...Am I in the right thread?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[lex0r11]

Man, you two really don't like each other.

BEEF YO.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Goddamn. You're still replying to me? What's your malfunction?

I'm just usually able to have a discussion without letting my personal feelings of the other person get the better of myself. And even if you ignore what I'm saying that's fine, then it's just for the others to see there isn't just one valid interpretation.

Right, that's what you're doing following up everything of mine you can with pointless nonsense like "we don't know who made the Citadel" or "AIs can lie." Silly me, I thought you were just back to your usual passive-aggressive nonsense, trying to be argumentative about every single thing possible just for the sake of doing so.

And now you're back to insults again.

If I was insulting you, it would be nothing but a long strength of asterisks. You're just picking up on the "you disgust me" vibe. There's a simple solution for it, one I imagine the thread would be better for: leave me alone.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Goddamn. You're still replying to me? What's your malfunction?

I'm just usually able to have a discussion without letting my personal feelings of the other person get the better of myself. And even if you ignore what I'm saying that's fine, then it's just for the others to see there isn't just one valid interpretation.

Right, that's what you're doing following up everything of mine you can with pointless nonsense like "we don't know who made the Citadel" or "AIs can lie." Silly me, I thought you were just back to your usual passive-aggressive nonsense, trying to be argumentative about every single thing possible just for the sake of doing so.

And now you're back to insults again.

If I was insulting you, it would be nothing but a long strength of asterisks. You're just picking up on the "you disgust me" vibe. There's a simple solution for it, one I imagine the thread would be better for: leave me alone.

I just added information on the topic, you derailed it to a personal level...

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I just added information on the topic, you derailed it to a personal level...

If you really couldnt see that coming by now, you're clearly not paying any attention at all. Rif doesnt like you. Just stop responding to him and then acting surprised when he gets angry at you.

Modifié par byne, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:35 .

[AresKeith]

Is the thread spamwave still going in the MP forum?

lex0r11 wrote...

Man, you two really don't like each other.

BEEF YO.

It makes me feel sad

[lex0r11]

AresKeith wrote...

Is the thread spamwave still going in the MP forum?

lex0r11 wrote...

Man, you two really don't like each other.

BEEF YO.

It makes me feel sad

MP forum spamwave? Do I want to know?

[DoomsdayDevice]

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

That is not actually what is in dispute. AFAIK, nobody is saying synthetics aren't really alive. Neither is this about who was in the wrong: it was obviously the Quarians who started the war.

This is about: Could the Geth have been compromised? (As in - rewritten by the Reapers when the Geth chose to align themselves with the Reapers) It's been going for a few pages.

They could have been, but I really dont think they were.

But if you believe Shepard is indoctrinated when (s)he willingly joins the Reapers, why do you believe otherwise about the Geth, knowing that the Geth willingly joined the Reapers?

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I just added information on the topic, you derailed it to a personal level...

If you really couldnt see that coming by now, you're clearly not paying any attention at all. Rif doesnt like you. Just stop responding to him and then acting surprised when he gets angry at you.

If something is relevant to the topic why shouldn't I post? Just because someone doesn't like what I'm saying? If he doesn't like what I'm posting so be it. I'm not acting surprised he's angry, I'm surprised about him making it personal and then saying "leave me alone"...
I responded completely on topic.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[DarthSliver]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Wow, having finished AC3 yesterday I can't even believe how people can write that the ME3 ending was worse.

And since when did endings like...these become so fashionable? Whi u do dis gamnig industri?

I thought it was better than most endings I have seen and as of right now better than ME3 ending. I am sure ME3 will top AC3 ending when IT comes to be real and we are shown the light of what the true meaning of the ending is.  But if Bioware leaves the endings to ME3 as they are well we all know what game had the better ending between the two. I felt the ending for AC3 was quite good for the story it was doing, he had 2 hard choices to make and he probably made the choice i wouldve made if I was in that position. 

[DoomsdayDevice]

lmao, talking badger on TV right now. Prince Caspian, I think.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[byne]

Fine BSN, if you're going to keep moving my cursor up here when i try to type, I guess I'll respond up here.

I dont see it as being the same, I think the geth just panicked and gave themselves over to the Reapers. I dont see them panicking again, and machines arent indoctrinated the same way as organics are. It can easily be broken. I dont see the Reaper code upgrade as being an inherently malicious thing. Not all Reaper tech is evil. Mass Effect technology and Relays arent, for example.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

That is not actually what is in dispute. AFAIK, nobody is saying synthetics aren't really alive. Neither is this about who was in the wrong: it was obviously the Quarians who started the war.

This is about: Could the Geth have been compromised? (As in - rewritten by the Reapers when the Geth chose to align themselves with the Reapers) It's been going for a few pages.

They could have been, but I really dont think they were.

But if you believe Shepard is indoctrinated when (s)he willingly joins the Reapers, why do you believe otherwise about the Geth, knowing that the Geth willingly joined the Reapers?

[Rifneno]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

lmao, talking badger on TV right now. Prince Caspian, I think.

Honey?  Or one of those... lesser badgers?

[BleedingUranium]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Cruiser on top, Dreadnought on bottom, and I think they're to scale here.
*snip*

Is that a poster of some kind and can I have it? Er, uh, I mean where can I get one?

It looks like it was from the art book, but I don't know, I found it on Google.

Linkforlife wrote...

I am not sure if this was brought up, or proven wrong, and I apologize in advance if it is but, at the 23:42 mark of smudboy's video Mass Effect 3: Bookends of Destruction part 5, YouTube user Devilmingy pointed out: "By the way, where did that rise in the center (that Shepard and Anderson are leaning on) come from? Flycam can show it rising up from the floor after Shepard opens the arms, but why? Just to have something for the two to lean on in the last moments?"

Again, maybe it is nothing, and I apologize in advance once again for bringing it up if that is the case.

I'll respond, since everyone missed this. We did notice that, and I think it's one of the stronger dream elements in that section, as little things like that tend to happen in dreams a lot. Don't apologize for posting stuff!

[Rifneno]

Speaking of the geth, I noticed something. When Legion shows "this is a single geth unit, this is 10 geth networked, this is a single geth with the upgrades"... the first two are blue, the last one is red. Red is the good one once again.

[DoomsdayDevice]

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

That is not actually what is in dispute. AFAIK, nobody is saying synthetics aren't really alive. Neither is this about who was in the wrong: it was obviously the Quarians who started the war.

This is about: Could the Geth have been compromised? (As in - rewritten by the Reapers when the Geth chose to align themselves with the Reapers) It's been going for a few pages.

They could have been, but I really dont think they were.

But if you believe Shepard is indoctrinated when (s)he willingly joins the Reapers, why do you believe otherwise about the Geth, knowing that the Geth willingly joined the Reapers?

I dont see it as being the same, I think the geth just panicked and gave themselves over to the Reapers. I dont see them panicking again, and machines arent indoctrinated the same way as organics are. It can easily be broken. I dont see the Reaper code upgrade as being an inherently malicious thing. Not all Reaper tech is evil. Mass Effect technology and Relays arent, for example.

Does it matter why they gave themselves over to the Reapers? No, they joined them.

You don't see them panicking again, even though their consensus is that ridding themselves of free will is an acceptable trade when faced with extinction?

Machines aren't indoctrinated the same way organics are? How do you know? If it can easily be broken, then why can't we eradicate the reaper code completely from the consensus? Why is it that the roots always remain? Could it be that it is something that is typical for Reaper code? Incidentally, it likes to rewrite itself as well.

"Not all Reaper tech is evil." Define evil. Consider this: even if a mass relay doesn't actually indoctrinate people, the problem of the damn thing is that any technology we derive from it, is based on technology that our enemies have a much greater understanding of. Any technology based on mass effect technology is technology that they can control. Hence 'developing along the paths we desire'. It ensures they will always have the upper hand, because their understanding is greater. What they don't want us to do, is develop technology that they're not familiar with.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 22 décembre 2012 - 08:03 .