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[MegumiAzusa]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@ restrider

So compare the menu sounds with the breath scene sound.  Breath Scene sound starts 8 seconds into it.  Menu sounds occur at 4 seconds, 22 seconds, 55 seconds, 1:21, and 1:43.  There's a few more but they're rather faint

Like I said earlier, play the menu sounds and let it roll, then play the breath scene sound and listen to them together, you'll hear they are similar in sound.  Plus you'll need really good headphones at a loud enough volume to hear the background menu sounds.  They don't sound like much on speakers. 

I can recommend a good set

Like I said the other day I didn't notice it because I wasn't using headphones till I got these and have been using them when all of a sudden yesterday after I finished my mp bouts I was like WTF OMG!

Rather listen to the files directly
entrymenu.Wwise_Main_Menu_Streaming.gui_mainmenu_amb_front
entrymenu.Wwise_Main_Menu_Streaming.gui_mainmenu_amb_rear
for the menu and
biod_end002_600epilogue.Wwise_End002_Streaming.cineanim_end02_epilogue_shepalive
for the breath scene.
I can't find anything that sounds similar.

I know I saw that from earlier but what I can't figure out is why does it play in the game if you say it doesn't since I don't have the convienience of extracted sound files in front of me.

So the sounds you have up there, is that the sound effect file for the menu or the music?  Because I have the music and dialog both turned off

EDIT - and it plays with both the music and dialogue sounds off

Yes it is. Imo you're hearing an illusion.

[AresKeith]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Hi there. I don't think I remember you back when I was here last time. Are you perchance new, or am I merely forgetful?

I started showing by the time you left :/ lol

Hey Keith, what do you think of the banner I made?

Abolutely epic timing! No rest Estebanusister!

we all love Jade lol

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...
On this note:
What do people think about Sovereign's "YOU TOUCH MY MIND"?
It appeared to be normal holo-communication back on Virmire, but so did the discussion with Harbinger on that remote landing pad...

Some people think this.

[paxxton]

Howdy, estebanusister!

[Big G13]

Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

@ Dwailing - Just read the gun conversation on the previous page. Say it again for me. You know what I mean. Please.

I don't know if you're still here, but... Carnipredifexator. 

Still funny. Thank you. You are a true friend.

[CmdrShep80]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@ restrider

So compare the menu sounds with the breath scene sound.  Breath Scene sound starts 8 seconds into it.  Menu sounds occur at 4 seconds, 22 seconds, 55 seconds, 1:21, and 1:43.  There's a few more but they're rather faint

Like I said earlier, play the menu sounds and let it roll, then play the breath scene sound and listen to them together, you'll hear they are similar in sound.  Plus you'll need really good headphones at a loud enough volume to hear the background menu sounds.  They don't sound like much on speakers. 

I can recommend a good set

Like I said the other day I didn't notice it because I wasn't using headphones till I got these and have been using them when all of a sudden yesterday after I finished my mp bouts I was like WTF OMG!

Rather listen to the files directly
entrymenu.Wwise_Main_Menu_Streaming.gui_mainmenu_amb_front
entrymenu.Wwise_Main_Menu_Streaming.gui_mainmenu_amb_rear
for the menu and
biod_end002_600epilogue.Wwise_End002_Streaming.cineanim_end02_epilogue_shepalive
for the breath scene.
I can't find anything that sounds similar.

I know I saw that from earlier but what I can't figure out is why does it play in the game if you say it doesn't since I don't have the convienience of extracted sound files in front of me.

So the sounds you have up there, is that the sound effect file for the menu or the music?  Because I have the music and dialog both turned off

EDIT - and it plays with both the music and dialogue sounds off

Yes it is. Imo you're hearing an illusion.

Could be...maybe I've succumbed to the effects of indoctrination? .  Though if someone else can hear the same things too that would be awesome!

What is interesting is I can't hear it beyond a slight tone without the headphones on the recording.  With these headphones they come out really clear

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 23 décembre 2012 - 12:22 .

[BansheeOwnage]

cyrexwingblade wrote...

IT would work very well if we took the ME scenarios and planted them in the real world. IT falls apart under literary analysis, however. The story and configuration of ME plot shows and outright states IT is simply not the case.

I'm not defending ME's plot, just pointing out that IT is head-canon. You can't really get away from that.

No more that the face value interpretation is headcanon. Both are simply ways of viewing the same thing. Saying IT is headcanon really doesn't mean anything because Bioware never said if it was intended or not. Unless something is disproven, it's not headcanon. Like Evil-Chris said, IT remains as a valid possibility for the end of ME3. How is that headcanon?

[BansheeOwnage]

Big G13 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

@ Dwailing - Just read the gun conversation on the previous page. Say it again for me. You know what I mean. Please.

I don't know if you're still here, but... Carnipredifexator. 

Still funny. Thank you. You are a true friend.

It's awesome huh? It's actually the first thing listed in my Words of Awesome™ in my signature! Speaking of signatures, yours is great!

[spotlessvoid]

Restrider wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Restrider :

Sufficient processing power to create enough redundancy to allow part of that processing power to be used for internal monitoring.

If your asking about quantum mechanics, them it's a simple matter of scale. Organic matter does not immediately decay because the uncertainty of particles does not directly interfere with order above a certain scale

I guess this would also include some sort of self-replication of the core-identity (if you want to call it that way).
Wouldn't that mean that it is theoretically possible to emulate such a network, since Heisenberg's uncertainty does not kick in for organic molecules?
Just theorizing here...

No, because you cannot observe, or replicate, the specific quantum state of the brain without introducing variations because of this uncertainty. Order is established in a system when permutations no longer exceed variable limits. Stability exists because interdependent phenomena have less possible variability than chaos and these limitations in variability reinforce the developing structure. Order arises from chaos because patterns will inevitably randomly appear due to this mathematical absolute. The flip side is as order pushes a system's complexity to it's inherent imposed limit, the slightest random permutations that can exist within the systems limits will cause the stagnation and inevitable collapse of that system. The uncertainty of matter at a certain scale is both what allows for the movement of energy into a limited system and what causes that system to decay.

Basically, higher order is naturally attainable in a temporary system, but is not intentionally replicable because we cannot control matter below the scale patterns can develop. There will be uncertainty because that is the inherent nature of existence.

Don't feel like cleaning that up. Brains can exist because order can be established at a sufficient scale to allow such a complex system. Brains cannot be perfectly copied because we cannot manipulate matter below a certain scale and therefore cannot stop permutations from arising.

[GethPrimeMKII]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

IT would work very well if we took the ME scenarios and planted them in the real world. IT falls apart under literary analysis, however. The story and configuration of ME plot shows and outright states IT is simply not the case.

I'm not defending ME's plot, just pointing out that IT is head-canon. You can't really get away from that.

No more that the face value interpretation is headcanon. Both are simply ways of viewing the same thing. Saying IT is headcanon really doesn't mean anything because Bioware never said if it was intended or not. Unless something is disproven, it's not headcanon. Like Evil-Chris said, IT remains as a valid possibility for the end of ME3. How is that headcanon?

That link made my day! 

[MegumiAzusa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

IT would work very well if we took the ME scenarios and planted them in the real world. IT falls apart under literary analysis, however. The story and configuration of ME plot shows and outright states IT is simply not the case.

I'm not defending ME's plot, just pointing out that IT is head-canon. You can't really get away from that.

No more that the face value interpretation is headcanon. Both are simply ways of viewing the same thing. Saying IT is headcanon really doesn't mean anything because Bioware never said if it was intended or not. Unless something is disproven, it's not headcanon. Like Evil-Chris said, IT remains as a valid possibility for the end of ME3. How is that headcanon?

True, but it also works the other way round, so literal is also a valid possibility, which is a bit too often disregarded in this thread.

[Big G13]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

@ Dwailing - Just read the gun conversation on the previous page. Say it again for me. You know what I mean. Please.

I don't know if you're still here, but... Carnipredifexator. 

Still funny. Thank you. You are a true friend.

It's awesome huh? It's actually the first thing listed in my Words of Awesome™ in my signature! Speaking of signatures, yours is great!

WOW! That is one awesome list of awsome. Thanks.

[Eryri]

spotlessvoid wrote...

snip

Basically, higher order is naturally attainable in a temporary system, but is not intentionally replicable because we cannot control matter below the scale patterns can develop. There will be uncertainty because that is the inherent nature of existence.

Don't feel like cleaning that up. Brains can exist because order can be established at a sufficient scale to allow such a complex system. Brains cannot be perfectly copied because we cannot manipulate matter below a certain scale and therefore cannot stop permutations from arising.

Really interesting stuff. So you're saying that it is impossible, even in principle, to copy a brain, no matter how good our technology?

On another point, is the "uncertainty" or noise in the system responsible for what we perceive as free will? The little bit of randomness that allows us to make non-deterministic decisions? Or is free will an illusion?

Modifié par Eryri, 23 décembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[Eryri]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

IT would work very well if we took the ME scenarios and planted them in the real world. IT falls apart under literary analysis, however. The story and configuration of ME plot shows and outright states IT is simply not the case.

I'm not defending ME's plot, just pointing out that IT is head-canon. You can't really get away from that.

No more that the face value interpretation is headcanon. Both are simply ways of viewing the same thing. Saying IT is headcanon really doesn't mean anything because Bioware never said if it was intended or not. Unless something is disproven, it's not headcanon. Like Evil-Chris said, IT remains as a valid possibility for the end of ME3. How is that headcanon?

That link made my day! 

It was a good laugh, I must admit. 

[Rifneno]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

IT would work very well if we took the ME scenarios and planted them in the real world. IT falls apart under literary analysis, however. The story and configuration of ME plot shows and outright states IT is simply not the case.

I'm not defending ME's plot, just pointing out that IT is head-canon. You can't really get away from that.

No more that the face value interpretation is headcanon. Both are simply ways of viewing the same thing. Saying IT is headcanon really doesn't mean anything because Bioware never said if it was intended or not. Unless something is disproven, it's not headcanon. Like Evil-Chris said, IT remains as a valid possibility for the end of ME3. How is that headcanon?

That link made my day! 

It's good, but Reaper ****alorum is still the best thing on Youtube.

[CoolioThane]

Yes Megumi, we know literal is a valid interpretation, but this is the specified IT thread.

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

IT would work very well if we took the ME scenarios and planted them in the real world. IT falls apart under literary analysis, however. The story and configuration of ME plot shows and outright states IT is simply not the case.

I'm not defending ME's plot, just pointing out that IT is head-canon. You can't really get away from that.

No more that the face value interpretation is headcanon. Both are simply ways of viewing the same thing. Saying IT is headcanon really doesn't mean anything because Bioware never said if it was intended or not. Unless something is disproven, it's not headcanon. Like Evil-Chris said, IT remains as a valid possibility for the end of ME3. How is that headcanon?

True, but it also works the other way round, so literal is also a valid possibility, which is a bit too often disregarded in this thread.

Yes, literal is also a valid possibility, but that doesn't mean it's MY interpretation.  Until they actually show one or the other, they are both equally valid, and I will defend my interpretation until it is clear that there no reason to.

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 décembre 2012 - 12:47 .

[CmdrShep80]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...
On this note:
What do people think about Sovereign's "YOU TOUCH MY MIND"?
It appeared to be normal holo-communication back on Virmire, but so did the discussion with Harbinger on that remote landing pad...

Every frame from a vision is in MEvisionSEQ3 (the full vision you get thanks to the prothean cipher, but the first 3 and last 2 frames of Jug_70_Beacon_CUT (the vision you get from the beacon on Virmire)
All 5 frames show Sovereign.
The first 3 look like you are pulled in "slowly", the last 2 look like it noticed you and purposely severed the connection.

That would imply that Sovereign was doing something with the beacon. But we already discussed this. Didn't some sort of Reaper image appear in the vision even before Virmire?

Yes a few, but they are shared and are closeups and not frontal.
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/000.jpg
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/001.jpg
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/002.jpg
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/203.jpg
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/204.jpg
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/205.jpg
vs
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/067.jpg
http://thundermods.n...con_CUT/074.jpg

In the sequence after we get the cypher we got a lengthy sequence where we see the Reaper frontal at the end
http://thundermods.n...ionSEQ3/901.jpg
to
http://thundermods.n...ionSEQ3/961.jpg
which is still quite different.

Also note in ME2 the reddish Reaper on black background is never in the visions. Only like that:
http://thundermods.n...sionavi/127.jpg

Thanks for doing these.  By the way the two:
http://thundermods.n...ionSEQ3/901.jpg
to
http://thundermods.n...ionSEQ3/961.jpg

are just black for me.  Did they not come out?

Also the title Lilith is reminding me of FreeSpace again.  The SC Liliths in that game looked like:


Guess the Reapers destroyed the worlds there.  And actually there's a bit of a paralell storyline.  In FreeSpace the ships above were called Shivans and when people reached a certain point the Shivans would come to destroy them.  They wouldn't destroy the planets (except for a few cases where they caused the stars to go nova) only destroy the people and move on.  Their goals were to capture the relays and destroy the populace not the planets.

[paxxton]

CoolioThane wrote...

Yes Megumi, we know literal is a valid interpretation, but this is the specified IT thread.

I've already proved that Literal and IT interpretations are one and the same.

Modifié par paxxton, 23 décembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[CmdrShep80]

@restrider - any thoughts on the comparison?

[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

Yes Megumi, we know literal is a valid interpretation, but this is the specified IT thread.

To add, we know literal is a valid interpretation. We just think IT makes infinitely more sense.

[BansheeOwnage]

Big G13 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

@ Dwailing - Just read the gun conversation on the previous page. Say it again for me. You know what I mean. Please.

I don't know if you're still here, but... Carnipredifexator. 

Still funny. Thank you. You are a true friend.

It's awesome huh? It's actually the first thing listed in my Words of Awesome™ in my signature! Speaking of signatures, yours is great!

WOW! That is one awesome list of awsome. Thanks.

You're welcome.

[spotlessvoid]

No matter how similar, differences inevitably arise, and consequences are inherently unpredictable. However, a brain is to some degree a self organizing system, and as such, internal corrections can be made that would allow it be sufficiently similar to the point of being acceptably functionally the same. Still, the possibility of dramatic changes are inescapable and there is no guarantee of acceptably similar continued co-evolution.
ShepAI is most definitely not Shepard, and would likely evolve down a significantly different path.

Free will does not exist in the absolute. Conscious choice does however. Your response is interdependent to your environment because you are interdependent to it. This does not mean that you cannot consciously choose amongst perceived choices, only that you cannot see the totality of forces acting upon both object and subject. It's also important to understand that the brain is not one cohesive unit, and that "mind" is a transient state of cognition and not a permanent entity. Our brain is a system of both independent and interdependent parts, and as such one has a measure of control over the response to the data provided by those typically conflicting systems.

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Yes Megumi, we know literal is a valid interpretation, but this is the specified IT thread.

To add, we know literal is a valid interpretation. We just think IT makes infinitely more sense.

The Literal interpretation must involve indoctrination. Otherwise the ending is just nonsense (breath scene).

[masster blaster]

Hey Estsbansister.

Late, but hey was at church. Alter server.