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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage

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paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Yes Megumi, we know literal is a valid interpretation, but this is the specified IT thread.

To add, we know literal is a valid interpretation. We just think IT makes infinitely more sense.

The Literal interpretation must involve indoctrination. Otherwise the ending is just nonsense (breath scene).

No. There is no hallucination in literal. And yes, it makes no sense.

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dammit Banshee! I wanted to break the silence!

I'm going to watch this thread and as soon as it slows down I'm going to break the silence. Just to spite Byne.

Wanna play some MP?

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

dammit Banshee! I wanted to break the silence!

I'm going to watch this thread and as soon as it slows down I'm going to break the silence. Just to spite Byne.

Wanna play some MP?


Well, I don't play ME3 on the Xbox, but if you'd like to join me for some Halo 4 after you're done with that, I'd be a happy turian. :D

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

dammit Banshee! I wanted to break the silence!

I'm going to watch this thread and as soon as it slows down I'm going to break the silence. Just to spite Byne.

Wanna play some MP?


bumps the silence from *JadeBaby88*

:P:ph34r:

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Just 127 pages to 3k! Christmas and New Years are hampering our goals lol

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

dammit Banshee! I wanted to break the silence!

I'm going to watch this thread and as soon as it slows down I'm going to break the silence. Just to spite Byne.

Wanna play some MP?


bumps the silence from *JadeBaby88*

:P:ph34r:


It was 1 minute from the last post... lol

@Dwaling... uh Halo4 MP ... Posted Image

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Dani_saur wrote...

Hey guys, sorry to butt in with something that's probably inconsequential but I noticed something while playing through Mass Effect again. Just wanted to see what you guys thought. I love music, so I notice weird things like this. When you "embrace eternity" with Liara after you rescue her from the dig site, listen to the music playing in the background. Since I don't know how to embed the links in the words all fancy-like, you're going to have to settle for clicking the links :)

Here's Liara's scene:

www.youtube.com/watch

Now compare that to the music in this scene:

www.youtube.com/watch

Like I said, maybe it's nothing, but I figured I'd let you guys decide :D

Sorry, but this is nothing. Really, it's awesome you noticed it, but it is relatively inconsequential here. That musical theme is the "Reaper theme". It was originally Sovereign's theme, but was later used for all reapers. You hear it all the time (Saren being possessed in ME1, Human Reaper, Anderson discussing reapers with Shep in intro, Destroyer chase on Rannoch etc). The version that plays at the end it part of "The Human Reaper" from ME2.

But music is extremely important in ME and in most good stories. The above proves (though there are many other ways) that the score is very consistent and emotionally well put together. So why then does the dream music play when you get hit by Harbinger's beam (pre-EC due to evac cutscene) and during the choice?

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Just 127 pages to 3k! Christmas and New Years are hampering our goals lol

We must reach there before Chris is off his break!

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demersel wrote...

 Peeka-boo! Leviathan watches you watching the galaxy masturbating -
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:D


Interesting find. Is it animated?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Yes Megumi, we know literal is a valid interpretation, but this is the specified IT thread.

To add, we know literal is a valid interpretation. We just think IT makes infinitely more sense.

The Literal interpretation must involve indoctrination. Otherwise the ending is just nonsense (breath scene).

No. There is no hallucination in literal. And yes, it makes no sense.


This is how I see it with IT. One person can go out and see that the sky is blue. Another person who is color blind can go out and see that the sky is orange. Both views are valid and both are true to each person. 

I also see it in this perspective. Not too long ago almost all of civilization believed that the world was flat. A select few believed that the world was round and had proof to back it up. Their views were laughed upon for years until the powers to be announced that the world WAS indeed round.

To end...really all it amounts to is a matter of perspective. 

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

dammit Banshee! I wanted to break the silence!

I'm going to watch this thread and as soon as it slows down I'm going to break the silence. Just to spite Byne.

Wanna play some MP?

Jade hi! Gonna eat dinner and help Blur with ME2 save editor. Will join you thereafter. Posted Image

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shaweet.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

shaweet.

While you're here though, and to induce speculation, I'll repeat something Dwailing said a few days ago that I though was a really good point.

What if Shepard did not find Anderson's Carnifex before entering the beam, or what if she ran out of ammo? She would not be able to use destroy. What would the kid say?

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

dammit Banshee! I wanted to break the silence!

I'm going to watch this thread and as soon as it slows down I'm going to break the silence. Just to spite Byne.

Wanna play some MP?


bumps the silence from *JadeBaby88*

:P:ph34r:


It was 1 minute from the last post... lol

@Dwaling... uh Halo4 MP ... Posted Image


But I thought that was you with Blur, Banshee, and I that one time... :?

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 décembre 2012 - 03:35 .


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Quick! Which faction should I choose?

England, France, Spain, Venice, Sicily, Milan, Scottland, Denmark, Portugal, Poland, or Hungary.

I am very indecisive and can never decide which to choose..

I'm sorry for having this off topic post. I'll pick the one the first person chooses though!

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401 Kill wrote...

Quick! Which faction should I choose?

England, France, Spain, Venice, Sicily, Milan, Scottland, Denmark, Portugal, Poland, or Hungary.

I am very indecisive and can never decide which to choose..

I'm sorry for having this off topic post. I'll pick the one the first person chooses though!


England!

Edit: BTW, now that I'm done being first, can you tell me what this is for?

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 décembre 2012 - 03:38 .


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Dwailing wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Quick! Which faction should I choose?

England, France, Spain, Venice, Sicily, Milan, Scottland, Denmark, Portugal, Poland, or Hungary.

I am very indecisive and can never decide which to choose..

I'm sorry for having this off topic post. I'll pick the one the first person chooses though!


England!

England it is.

Medieval II Total War, I basically am a faction in Medieval Europe/North Africa/Middle East, and you conquer!

Modifié par 401 Kill, 23 décembre 2012 - 03:41 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

shaweet.

While you're here though, and to induce speculation, I'll repeat something Dwailing said a few days ago that I though was a really good point.

What if Shepard did not find Anderson's Carnifex before entering the beam, or what if she ran out of ammo? She would not be able to use destroy. What would the kid say?


Child: *After discussing Control and Synthesis* "And that big red tube you see over there...just ignore it."
Shep: "Why? What does it do?"
Child: "Oh it just wipes out all Reapers and synthetics. Nothing special. Besides you have nothing to break it with. You have no gun and you're body is barely functioning. You can only choose Control or Synthesis. It is the only way to break the cycle."

 https://encrypted-tb...GhvET-zrr5CRfKg

Shep: I have nothing to break it you say...
Child: That is correct. I have already stated that. Control and Synth..what the FU**?!?!? 
*Grabs Child and throws it at tube, shattering it* Shepard then strolls out like a bad a**

TO BE CONTINUED

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 23 décembre 2012 - 03:49 .


#71819
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

shaweet.

What if Shepard did not find Anderson's Carnifex before entering the beam, or what if she ran out of ammo? She would not be able to use destroy. What would the kid say?


Well, he would simply say
Catalyst: "I know you've thought about destroying us, you can destroy all synthetic life in the galaxy if you want..."
Shepard: "but how do I break the canopy?"
Catalyst "Just use that pistol in your hand."
Shepard: Shepard looks at hand, where a pistol has mysteriously appeared."

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Dwailing wrote...
But I thought that was you with Blur, Banshee, and I that one time... :?


Sorry I didn't understand this... lol

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nothing new, I take it? lol

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
But I thought that was you with Blur, Banshee, and I that one time... :?


Sorry I didn't understand this... lol



So... that wasn't you or that was you?  I'm a bit confused.  Banshee or Blur, could you please tell me?

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Since I've well and truly been ignored with my pitiful attempt to gain companions to play xbox MP with I'm off to bed.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

shaweet.

While you're here though, and to induce speculation, I'll repeat something Dwailing said a few days ago that I though was a really good point.

What if Shepard did not find Anderson's Carnifex before entering the beam, or what if she ran out of ammo? She would not be able to use destroy. What would the kid say?


In literal, he just wouldn't mention it and the path to it wouldn't rise.

In IT, it would probably be a non-gun related way of symbolically killing Reapers. (Maybe "Go over there, speak into the microphone, and convince any indoctrinated person to commit suicide?")

Top! :D

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 23 décembre 2012 - 03:46 .


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Byne:Wake up.

Shepard:Where am I?


Byne:The IT thread. It's my home.

Shepard:Who are you?

Byne:I am the Catayst.

Shepard:I thought the IT thread
was the Catalyst.

Byne:No the IT thread is a part of me.

Shepard: I need to know how to stop wake up. Do you know how I can do that?

Byne: I created the IT thread. It is my solution.

Shepard: Solution? To what.

Byne: Explation to what happened at the end of ME3.

Some time later.....

Byne: I know you thought about Destroying the Reapers. You could pick Destroy and wake up.

Shepard: And the Reapers will be Destroyed?

Byne. No you would have to wake up from the visions you will have at the end. Then you would have to Destroy the Reapers another way. Unless you didn't prepare the galaxy, and gather enough war assets, then you could not wake up.

Shepard: Explain to me how prepareing the galaxy, and gathering my allies can help wake myself up.

Byne: You have gathered enough war assets/ prepared the galaxy. However if you made very bad chocies your mind will be plunged into a state of grief which may cause you to experence real life visions. So do not be tricked.

Shepard: But I can wake up?

Byne: That depends again on your choices.

Shepard: what about that choice on the left, and the one in the middle? Do they help wake me up?

Byne: they do but...

Shepard: but what?

Byne: You will never be the same. Everything you are now will be over writen. Your thoughts, your memorys all will be used against you.

Shepard: What do you mean? I don't understand what you are talking about.

Byne: right now your being Indoctrinated.

Shepard: Indoctrinated? How I thought I am....

Byne: No your not immune to Indoctrination. Everything you see right now is all made up of your memeories including me.

Shepard: So if I pick those two other choices....

Byne: You will lose yourself to the Reapers.

Shepard: But what if I refused these choices. Will I wake up?

Byne: You will....resist the Reapers, but no matter how much war assets you brought/ prepared the galaxy. You will not wake up. Your body right now is under Harbingers watch. If you don't make a choices right now Harbinger will kill you here right now.

Shepard: So what's to stop Harbinger from killing me if I pick Destroy?

Byne: Your ship, and crew are on their way to save you. If you move to the right they can save you from Harbingers laser.But if you refuse Harbinger, then you will stand in place, and the Normandy can't save you.

Shepard: But how? How do they save me in Destroy, but not refuse?

Byne: Why are you here?

Shepard: To stop the Reapers...why do you ask?

Byne: And how far will you go to end the Reapers?

Shepard: I....I.. don't know how far I would go. I can't kill the ones I love because I am not like that.

Byne: Then the war is lost.

Shepard: It's not..just because I can't Destroy the Reapers this way doesn't mean I can't another way.

Byne: There is no other way. If you want to refuse Harbinger go a head. But know all your love ones will die because you could not kill a race, and a friend.

Shepard: I thought you said I would wake up in Destroy if I pick it, but now your telling me one of my friends and a race will die.

Byne: That's if you will believe in what Harbinger tells you/ shows you. But if they do die, then it will be trying to save you. More may die in Destroy, than what Harbinger will tell you, but if you prepared the galaxy, and gathered enough war assets, then maybe you won't have to loose more than what you would have lost.

Shepard:.......

Byne: Harbinger is coming. Shepard what is about to happen right now you must not fall for Harbingers falls words/ promisses, and remember he will take the form of the......

* byne vanishes, and scene changes to the catalyst chambers*


Few minutes later.

Catalyst: The paths are open you must choose.

Modifié par masster blaster, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:13 .