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[Vilyn117]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Omega has some very interesting its of foreshadowing. The scene in the reactor where Nyreen and Aria are trapped play out very much like the ending. Shepard is given a choice by Petrovesky to save Nyreen and Aria at the cost of several thousand lives or allow them to die to keep the many alive.

Sound familiar? Starbinger claims choosing destroy will cost the lives of all synthetics. But if you go for his other more preferred solutions you can save everybody and nobody has to die but Shepard.

It turns out Petrovsky was bluffing. Choosing the allow Aria and Nyreen to die to save the many allowed everyone to live. Falling for Petrovsky's bluff and choosing to save Aria and Nyreen results in the deaths of thousands due to life support system failures across the station.

The lesson learned is victory through sacrifice. You will gain nothing if you are unwilling to sacrifice anything.

We fight or we die. Shepard is willing to sacrifice, but your theory just says he fails at that. Contradictory?

[masster blaster]

117 . Do you believe that the Leviathan so powerful enough for one of them to bring down a Reaper capital ship can't possibaly be lying to you.

I doubt Synthetics just wanted to attack the organic races for just **** and gigals. No and don't you think that maybe the Leviathans forced their thralls to attack the Synthetics because they could not control the Synthetics, so they created the intellegnce to take control of the synthetics, yet the thing grew power hungry and created Harbinger the first true Reaper, and install it'self inside of it. So that it could control Harbinger because Harbinger is created of organic, and Synthetic material. Harbinger is the only thing that can control both organic, and Synthetics.

So no I don't by the Leviathans so called sob story. All I got from it was they created a problem that is on them alone, and many cycles paid the price for their stupidity. Also The ending can be the Reapers Indoctrinating Shepard/ yes intellegnece is real, yet it calls himself the Catalyst at the end, not the Intellegence.

Modifié par masster blaster, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[Lokanaiya]

IsaacShep wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I've accepted the fact that you dont understand much about physics.

OMG haha you're bringing "you don't get physics" argument to a discussion about an explosion that would never even look like it does in ME if this was real life and real space.

And again, deal already with the fact that the creators made Shep survive. If you don't like it and think it's unrealistic, fine (just don't forget how unrealistic the explosion itself is lol), but nothing you do will change that the creators had Shep survive.

Can you please give some actual evidence if you're going to keep posting here? Considering that our entire point is that the ending isn't real, the argument of "JUST ACCEPT IT" doesn't really work here. In fact, by admitting just how unrealistic both Shepard's survival and the explosion itself are, you're kind of proving our point.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Vilyn117 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Omega has some very interesting its of foreshadowing. The scene in the reactor where Nyreen and Aria are trapped play out very much like the ending. Shepard is given a choice by Petrovesky to save Nyreen and Aria at the cost of several thousand lives or allow them to die to keep the many alive.

Sound familiar? Starbinger claims choosing destroy will cost the lives of all synthetics. But if you go for his other more preferred solutions you can save everybody and nobody has to die but Shepard.

It turns out Petrovsky was bluffing. Choosing the allow Aria and Nyreen to die to save the many allowed everyone to live. Falling for Petrovsky's bluff and choosing to save Aria and Nyreen results in the deaths of thousands due to life support system failures across the station.

The lesson learned is victory through sacrifice. You will gain nothing if you are unwilling to sacrifice anything.

We fight or we die. Shepard is willing to sacrifice, but your theory just says he fails at that. Contradictory?

Ok lemme simplify it. Petrovsky's bluff to save the few (Nyreena and Aria) over the many (citizens of Omega) foreshadow Starbinger's bluff to save the few (geth + EDI) in exchange for choosing a path that will spare the Reapers, a path that will doom the galaxy

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 23 décembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[Gwyphon]

The leviathans have worse and less refined indoctrination than the reapers. It's stated. The fact that they can control Shepard without any trouble should be a little alarming.

[masster blaster]

117 you got it wrong.

Okay so you know that Destroy is the ending where Shepard wakes up right. Which you had to "kill EDi, and the Geth" right. Well in Control and Synthesis did it ever bother you that both of these ending don't feel right.

Control all Shepard's sound like Nazara, and Harbinger.

Paragon Shepard in control sounds like Harbinger, while Renegade Shepard sounds like Nazara.

Control everyone now must follow Shepard's laws or die. Ya nice future you created.

So TIM was right? Thane died for nothing? Cerberus was right?
Everyobe fighting Cerberus was wrong at doing so?

Synthesis is just... Wrong on so many levels.

EDI does not sound like herself. Everyone magically befriends the Reapers. Javik...what the hell happened to him wanting to kill all Reapers? Leviathan would hate Synthesis because they see themselves as the apex of evolution. Not anymore.

Kasuims old dead BF is back? Grunt is not in Synthesis? Saren was right?
Legions death pointless. Moridn dying pointless.
Wrex dying if no cure Geno pointless.

[Vilyn117]

masster blaster wrote...

117 . Do you believe that the Leviathan so powerful enough for one of them to bring down a Reaper capital ship can't possibaly be lying to you.

I doubt Synthetics just wanted to attack the organic races for just **** and gigals. No and don't you think that maybe the Leviathans forced their thralls to attack the Synthetics because they could not control the Synthetics, so they created the intellegnce to take control of the synthetics, yet the thing grew power hungry and created Harbinger the first true Reaper, and install it'self inside of it. So that it could control Harbinger because Harbinger is created of organic, and Synthetic material. Harbinger is the only thing that can control both organic, and Synthetics.

So no I don't by the Leviathans so called sob story. All I got from it was they created a problem that is on them alone, and many cycles paid the price for their stupidity. Also The ending can be the Reapers Indoctrinating Shepard/ yes intellegnece is real, yet it calls himself the Catalyst at the end, not the Intellegence.

Possibly. It's impossible to shift the argument either way when neither of them have any actual proof that proves their side more than the other.

[Vilyn117]

masster blaster wrote...

117 you got it wrong.

Okay so you know that Destroy is the ending where Shepard wakes up right. Which you had to "kill EDi, and the Geth" right. Well in Control and Synthesis did it ever bother you that both of these ending don't feel right.

Control all Shepard's sound like Nazara, and Harbinger.

Paragon Shepard in control sounds like Harbinger, while Renegade Shepard sounds like Nazara.

Control everyone now must follow Shepard's laws or die. Ya nice future you created.

So TIM was right? Thane died for nothing? Cerberus was right?
Everyobe fighting Cerberus was wrong at doing so?

Synthesis is just... Wrong on so many levels.

EDI does not sound like herself. Everyone magically befriends the Reapers. Javik...what the hell happened to him wanting to kill all Reapers? Leviathan would hate Synthesis because they see themselves as the apex of evolution. Not anymore.

Kasuims old dead BF is back? Grunt is not in Synthesis? Saren was right?
Legions death pointless. Moridn dying pointless.
Wrex dying if no cure Geno pointless.

You're blowing things out of preportion. Especially with things being "pointless". Regardless of the ending you choose, the deaths are all pointless because none of them actually had an affect on the game anyhow. Mordin dying was to unite krogan, it wasnt pointless no matter how you look at it. Idk, youre argument is too frail and i'd have to mindlessly type for hours to pick out all the flaws in that.

[Humakt83]

IsaacShep wrote..

Humakt83 wrote...
Nah, that is just your interpretation of the events that occurred. 

So now you've switched to "ohh in that case I say he died haha!"?

No. It is your interpretation that Shepard survived explosion despite how impossible it is. My interpretation is that Shepard struggled against indoctrination and managed to resist Reaper's influence. Events in trilogy support more than meets the eye approach.

I believe we both agree that breath scene indicates that Shepard is alive at the end anyway.

[masster blaster]

Which is true 117. But you have to think. Catalyst boy hates Destroy.

Tells us that EDI, Geth, and Shepard will die.

Yet Synthesis everyone is gay happy. While Control Shepard becomes new dicator Shepard.

Well I will ask you this. If Anderson never died and was with Shepard at the end. What ending will he tell Shepard to pick, and what would the brat do/ say?

Will the brat let Shepard pick Destroy, or would it let Shepard pick Destroy? I mean the brat did say in Destroy the chaos will come back again, yet that's an opinion not fact. There is no way brat should know about the future, so...

[Vilyn117]

masster blaster wrote...

Which is true 117. But you have to think. Catalyst boy hates Destroy.

Tells us that EDI, Geth, and Shepard will die.

Yet Synthesis everyone is gay happy. While Control Shepard becomes new dicator Shepard.

Well I will ask you this. If Anderson never died and was with Shepard at the end. What ending will he tell Shepard to pick, and what would the brat do/ say?

Will the brat let Shepard pick Destroy, or would it let Shepard pick Destroy? I mean the brat did say in Destroy the chaos will come back again, yet that's an opinion not fact. There is no way brat should know about the future, so...

Destroy is the worst ending, it kills off an entire intelligent race that isnt hostile, and it destroys the reapers only to allow the cycle to happen again. In both control and sythesis, the cycle CAN NOT repeat. There is NOTHING stopping the cycle from repeating in destroy, and not only are you explicitly told this (or you can blame indoctrination), common sense still dictates the same.

[masster blaster]

Ah and there it is. Tell me 117 what ending did you pick?

[Vilyn117]

masster blaster wrote...

Ah and there it is. Tell me 117 what ending did you pick?

Control, obviously. Shepard is not a "dictator", just because he controls reapers doesnt mean hes just going to become Big Brother. Synthesis is wrong on many levels. Both of those endings has shepard performing his own sacrifice. Destroy he does not sacrifice himself, he somehow "lives", while failing his mission, because a temporary win is not a real victory.

[CmdrShep80]

Lol since we touched on Omega 1000 pages ago and Leviathan 1500 pages ago I'm going to try to finish Lego Star Wars III. Will return with the Force! Lol

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 23 décembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[KonguZya]

Vilyn117 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Which is true 117. But you have to think. Catalyst boy hates Destroy.

Tells us that EDI, Geth, and Shepard will die.

Yet Synthesis everyone is gay happy. While Control Shepard becomes new dicator Shepard.

Well I will ask you this. If Anderson never died and was with Shepard at the end. What ending will he tell Shepard to pick, and what would the brat do/ say?

Will the brat let Shepard pick Destroy, or would it let Shepard pick Destroy? I mean the brat did say in Destroy the chaos will come back again, yet that's an opinion not fact. There is no way brat should know about the future, so...

Destroy is the worst ending, it kills off an entire intelligent race that isnt hostile, and it destroys the reapers only to allow the cycle to happen again. In both control and sythesis, the cycle CAN NOT repeat. There is NOTHING stopping the cycle from repeating in destroy, and not only are you explicitly told this (or you can blame indoctrination), common sense still dictates the same.

I was lurking, but now I must intervene before I go to bed. the Reapers have been Synthesizing organics into husks and Reapers for billions of years, it's part of the cycle. A Prothean splinter group (and from what we learn from Vendetta, likely a splinter group from all cycles before) tried Control. They (Control and Synthesis) are both a part of the cycle that the Reapers create, and they have done nothing to stop the harvest before.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

The reason we advocate Destroy isn't just because Shepard survives, it's because Shepard survives in spite of everything that should by all rights and logic kill him/her.
More over, Shepard survives when the Catalyst tells him/her they won't, "You can wipe out all Synthetic life if you want, including the Geth. Even YOU are partly Synthetic." (pre-EC quote, but still basically the same post-EC).

[masster blaster]

Ah but in Control the brat didn't tell you that the cycle will start over did it now. All it said was Shepard is going to control the Reapers, and that's it. Also um do you not see that your Shepard in Control does not sound the same? It's a copy of a use to be Shepard nothing more.

If you argue that Shepard is alive in Control no he/she is not. If you believe the brat, then the brat told you that Shepard is going to die, but will control the Reapers. How? Ya downloading your thoughts/ memorys into the hive mind.

Also why else did you not pick Destroy pray do tell?

[AlanC9]

Vilyn117 wrote...


Destroy is the worst ending, it kills off an entire intelligent race that isnt hostile, and it destroys the reapers only to allow the cycle to happen again. In both control and sythesis, the cycle CAN NOT repeat. There is NOTHING stopping the cycle from repeating in destroy, and not only are you explicitly told this (or you can blame indoctrination), common sense still dictates the same.

You're assuming that the Catalyst is right about what will happen with AIs. Maybe he is, but there's no real evidence to back him up.

[Big_Boss9]

Vilyn117 wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending, it kills off an entire intelligent race that isnt hostile, and it destroys the reapers only to allow the cycle to happen again. In both control and sythesis, the cycle CAN NOT repeat. There is NOTHING stopping the cycle from repeating in destroy, and not only are you explicitly told this (or you can blame indoctrination), common sense still dictates the same.

Oh, you

[CmdrShep80]

Vilyn117 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Ah and there it is. Tell me 117 what ending did you pick?

Control, obviously. Shepard is not a "dictator", just because he controls reapers doesnt mean hes just going to become Big Brother. Synthesis is wrong on many levels. Both of those endings has shepard performing his own sacrifice. Destroy he does not sacrifice himself, he somehow "lives", while failing his mission, because a temporary win is not a real victory.

hmm an analogy I could help it. So Mubarak a dictator was ousted and Morsi a fair person of the people steps in via a vote. Next thing we know he overrides the judiciary, creates a document that gives more power and does a few other things. All in the name of bringing a few to justice...


another analogy. Assad claimed to be a fair dictator ruling with a fair hand. He is in charge of a nice country. Next thing you know, 40,000 civies later...well scuds are raining on the population, tanks and choppers, etc. 

now you have Shepard, a fair and nice person ruling over the galaxy. Suddenly the Krogan want to reignite their blood fuss with the Salarians. What will Control Shepard do?  Suddenly the Quarians and Geth go at it again over a miscommunication ovation, What will control Shepard do?  Suddenly the Rach I decide to invade Palave. What will Control Shepard do?  The Volus puts a bad bank deal on the Elcor for damages to their home world. What will control Shepard do?

[Vilyn117]

KonguZya wrote...

Vilyn117 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Which is true 117. But you have to think. Catalyst boy hates Destroy.

Tells us that EDI, Geth, and Shepard will die.

Yet Synthesis everyone is gay happy. While Control Shepard becomes new dicator Shepard.

Well I will ask you this. If Anderson never died and was with Shepard at the end. What ending will he tell Shepard to pick, and what would the brat do/ say?

Will the brat let Shepard pick Destroy, or would it let Shepard pick Destroy? I mean the brat did say in Destroy the chaos will come back again, yet that's an opinion not fact. There is no way brat should know about the future, so...

Destroy is the worst ending, it kills off an entire intelligent race that isnt hostile, and it destroys the reapers only to allow the cycle to happen again. In both control and sythesis, the cycle CAN NOT repeat. There is NOTHING stopping the cycle from repeating in destroy, and not only are you explicitly told this (or you can blame indoctrination), common sense still dictates the same.

I was lurking, but now I must intervene before I go to bed. the Reapers have been Synthesizing organics into husks and Reapers for billions of years, it's part of the cycle. A Prothean splinter group (and from what we learn from Vendetta, likely a splinter group from all cycles before) tried Control. They (Control and Synthesis) are both a part of the cycle that the Reapers create, and they have done nothing to stop the harvest before.

....this is the first time the crucible was ever completed. And on top of that, since youre bringing up Vendetta, Vendetta says nothing about Shepard being indoctrinated, only Kai leng. This is an argument that has been had a billion times before. So if you say Shepard was only indoctrinated for like 30 minutes, the majority of the theory is already tossed out the window that tries to make proof of anything before that. 

[Vilyn117]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Vilyn117 wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending, it kills off an entire intelligent race that isnt hostile, and it destroys the reapers only to allow the cycle to happen again. In both control and sythesis, the cycle CAN NOT repeat. There is NOTHING stopping the cycle from repeating in destroy, and not only are you explicitly told this (or you can blame indoctrination), common sense still dictates the same.

Oh, you

I wasn't aware my opinion/take on the matter was trolling.

[CmdrShep80]

AlanC9 wrote...

Vilyn117 wrote...


Destroy is the worst ending, it kills off an entire intelligent race that isnt hostile, and it destroys the reapers only to allow the cycle to happen again. In both control and sythesis, the cycle CAN NOT repeat. There is NOTHING stopping the cycle from repeating in destroy, and not only are you explicitly told this (or you can blame indoctrination), common sense still dictates the same.

You're assuming that the Catalyst is right about what will happen with AIs. Maybe he is, but there's no real evidence to back him up.

in the destroy explanation the catalyst says: you will not lose more than you already have. 

Why does the catalyst say this and contradict his all synthetics will be destroyed line?

Edit - you will not be on top no more than you already have

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 23 décembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[masster blaster]

Oh god not Vendetta what ever should we do. Ya if Prothean VI's could detect Indoctrinated Protheans, then maybe the crucible could have Destroyed the Reapers. What's that ya they died because of Indoctrinated Protheans.

Oh and Shepard is not Indoctrinated yet. Under going yes, but not fully.