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masster blaster wrote...

Well 117 not as much OT, but when there is nothing to speculate on, or we need a break we go OT for a bit. Plus it's a bonding time for us. That's how many of use got to know eachother.

Oh guys we just need 51 more members to go to have 500 ITers.


who knows if 117 signs up it'll be 50 unless he did already 

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You know I bet if I listened to the extracted title file I would probably hear the same sound. Restrider never got back to me about it. I don't know if Spot tried yet.

What kind of headphones do people use?

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#71953
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Omg finding everything in LSWIII is taking forever. I still have at least 9 levels of free play. That's at worse two days of playing.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

What kind of headphones do people use?


Sennheiser headphones (5.1 surround sound capable).

Modifié par magnetite, 23 décembre 2012 - 07:20 .


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magnetite wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

What kind of headphones do people use?


Sennheiser headphones (5.1 surround sound capable).


hmm you might be able to hear it. Are you still here?

#71956
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CmdrShep80 wrote...

@ restrider magnetite

So compare the menu sounds with the breath scene sound.  Breath Scene sound starts 8 seconds into it.  Menu sounds occur at 4 seconds, 22 seconds, 55 seconds, 1:21, and 1:43.  There's a few more but they're rather faint

Like I said earlier, play the menu sounds and let it roll, then play the breath scene sound and listen to them together, you'll hear they are similar in sound.  Plus you'll need really good headphones at a loud enough volume to hear the background menu sounds.  They don't sound like much on speakers. 

I can recommend a good set Posted ImagePosted Image

Like I said the other day I didn't notice it because I wasn't using headphones till I got these and have been using them when all of a sudden yesterday after I finished my mp bouts I was like WTF OMG!



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Cmdr . . . just... use the Edit button if there hasn't been a new post in more than a few minutes. There's time for others to refresh and see the edit.

#71958
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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Cmdr . . . just... use the Edit button if there hasn't been a new post in more than a few minutes. There's time for others to refresh and see the edit.


i would but it was from close to 10 pages ago

Edit- it was just easier on a phone to quote it over

Edit 2- hehe one day I say one day I will have a page of Shepard's muahahaha:devil:

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:00 .


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CmdrShep80 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Cmdr . . . just... use the Edit button if there hasn't been a new post in more than a few minutes. There's time for others to refresh and see the edit.


i would but it was from close to 10 pages ago

Edit- it was just easier on a phone to quote it over

Edit 2- hehe one day I say one day I will have a page of Shepard's muahahaha:devil:


That's what I'm afraid of, the mods can take issue with that. Even potentially close the thread if not give you a warning. Not that I wouldn't mind a mod post, haven't seen on in awhile.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Cmdr . . . just... use the Edit button if there hasn't been a new post in more than a few minutes. There's time for others to refresh and see the edit.


i would but it was from close to 10 pages ago

Edit- it was just easier on a phone to quote it overEdit 2- hehe one day I say one day I will have a page of Shepard's muahahaha:devil:


That's what I'm afraid of, the mods can take issue with that. Even potentially close the thread if not give you a warning. Not that I wouldn't mind a mod post, haven't seen on in awhile.


lol I would prefer after page 3,000. Byne probably wouldn't let me hear the end of it if that happened. Btw do you have headphones?  A still trying to find someone who can hear the sounds I was hearing. So far no one but me

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:23 .


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CmdrShep80 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Cmdr . . . just... use the Edit button if there hasn't been a new post in more than a few minutes. There's time for others to refresh and see the edit.


i would but it was from close to 10 pages ago

Edit- it was just easier on a phone to quote it overEdit 2- hehe one day I say one day I will have a page of Shepard's muahahaha:devil:


That's what I'm afraid of, the mods can take issue with that. Even potentially close the thread if not give you a warning. Not that I wouldn't mind a mod post, haven't seen on in awhile.


lol I would prefer after page 3,000. Byne probably wouldn't let me hear the end of it if that happened. Btw do you have headphones?  A still trying to find someone who can hear the sounds I was hearing. So far no one but me


The ones on the main menu you were talking about yesterday? I checked at max volume, messing with levels, didn't hear any drastic similarities with the Breath Scene. Keep in mind I've watched/listened to my copy of the Breath Scene roughly a million times.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...
A still trying to find someone who can hear the sounds I was hearing. So far no one but me

You apparently didn't see my message, so I'll repost it for you.

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@CmdrShep80
Sorry about going to bed right before you pasted the link but I was exhausted. Plus it made good listening material when I woke up. it does sound very similar but I dont have good enough sound system to tell if its identical or not. Im hopefully getting great headphones for Christmas so Ill be able to tell then. Good catch either way.



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estebanus wrote...
Oh, I suppose the newcomers may not know who I am, so let me reintroduce myself: I'm estebanus' sister.

Hi, estebanus' sister. My name is Selim Bradley, and I've been investigating IT since you have been away, so I thought I'd introduce myself.
http://ts3.mm.bing.n...989962&pid=15.1

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masster blaster wrote...
Mag almost. Pax is a Controller that likes IT, and LDS is a Synthesiser, yet likes IT, and Jade is a refuser that likes IT. So it's a mixture, but mostly Destroyers.

Actually, I'm not a Synthie anymore.Posted Image

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IsaacShep wrote...

byne wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
 *snip*
Pentagon on 9/11. Ever watched any documentaries on 9/11? Few people still survived from these impact areas because some pieces of furniture/office desks shielded them from the explosion. Similar in WTC towers


Thats apples and oranges. The Citadel explosion is more like a nuclear blast than a plane exploding. It'd be like if some kind of archaeologist survived a nuke in a fridge. But that'd be ridiculous.

If it was like a nuclear blast, then the Presidium would've been completly destroy yet we can clearly see that the structure is still intact after the explosion.

As for Indy surviving - yep, it's unrealistic. And? Dodging 8293745 bullets is also unrealistic yet action pratagonists do it all the time. You just have to accept it.


So, your agument is basically that pop culture and action movies are traditionally full of nonsensical claptrap that insults the audience's intelligence. Therefore we should just lower our standards. We should cheerfully accept the ludicrous implausibility of Shepard surviving a blast powerful enough to blow chunks out of the quantum shielded structure of the Citadel, like good little, slack-jawed consumers of mindless pap?

How depressing.

Forgive us for expecting a little more from our entertainment.

Modifié par Eryri, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:52 .


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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Oh, I suppose the newcomers may not know who I am, so let me reintroduce myself: I'm estebanus' sister.

Hi, estebanus' sister. My name is Selim Bradley, and I've been investigating IT since you have been away, so I thought I'd introduce myself.

snip


i did miss that post. Thanks for reposting

#71967
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@darth I can just see your sig line being full of little pictures you use hehe

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Oh, I suppose the newcomers may not know who I am, so let me reintroduce myself: I'm estebanus' sister.

Hi, estebanus' sister. My name is Selim Bradley, and I've been investigating IT since you have been away, so I thought I'd introduce myself.

snip


i did miss that post. Thanks for reposting

I'm glad that you're glad, though you quoted the wrong response.Posted Image

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 23 décembre 2012 - 08:55 .


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CmdrShep80 wrote...

@darth I can just see your sig line being full of little pictures you use hehe

It makes them easier to find then scrolling through the hundreds of pics in my collection. I need to finish adding to it, speaking of which, but I'll do that when I add the pictures to my comparison project. As for now, since it seems everyone is off for the night, I think I'm going to go to sleep.
http://ts4.mm.bing.n...064723&pid=15.1

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 23 décembre 2012 - 09:06 .


#71970
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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Oh, I suppose the newcomers may not know who I am, so let me reintroduce myself: I'm estebanus' sister.

Hi, estebanus' sister. My name is Selim Bradley, and I've been investigating IT since you have been away, so I thought I'd introduce myself.

snip


i did miss that post. Thanks for reposting

I'm glad that you're glad, though you quoted the wrong response.Posted Image


lol I noticed oh well :P

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Eryri wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

byne wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
 *snip*
Pentagon on 9/11. Ever watched any documentaries on 9/11? Few people still survived from these impact areas because some pieces of furniture/office desks shielded them from the explosion. Similar in WTC towers


Thats apples and oranges. The Citadel explosion is more like a nuclear blast than a plane exploding. It'd be like if some kind of archaeologist survived a nuke in a fridge. But that'd be ridiculous.

If it was like a nuclear blast, then the Presidium would've been completly destroy yet we can clearly see that the structure is still intact after the explosion.

As for Indy surviving - yep, it's unrealistic. And? Dodging 8293745 bullets is also unrealistic yet action pratagonists do it all the time. You just have to accept it.


So, your agument is basically that pop culture and action movies are traditionally full of nonsensical claptrap that insults the audience's intelligence. Therefore we should just lower our standards. We should cheerfully accept the ludicrous implausibility of Shepard surviving a blast powerful enough to blow chunks out of the quantum shielded structure of the Citadel, like good little, slack-jawed consumers of mindless pap?

How depressing.

Forgive us for expecting a little more from our entertainment.


Remember in movies the explosion is there for us to see but essentially the explosion still happens in space. Movie magic and game magic for space explosions its visually there for the audience(us) to see. 

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Regarding the discussion on Shepards survival I have covered it before and, yes in any stupid action movie it would be par for the cause.

But Mass Effect has repeatedly demonstrated that one does not simply walk away from such situations unhurt. Mordin dosent walk away from the Shroud after it blows up, the person you leave on Virmire dosent magically show up and say he/her is fine. Even Shepard is dead for two years only beeing brought back by the best equibment and people money can buy (and probably more than a few money couldnt buy, knowing Cerberus).

Also even in the most silly of sitautions there is a certain suspension of disbelief of what can possibly be survived.

Shepard is already at deaths door when he blows up the tube, having lost alot of blood and passed out twice allready. Then the tube explodes in his face with a force which should probably have sent a person to the floor. Then comes the red wave which is shown having enough force to move the Reapers in orbit around the Citadel and which according to the Catalyst disables synthetics.

I quote the Catalyst here: "Even you are partially synthetic"

Clearly it considers Shepards synthetic parts the same as synthetics in general so by any kind of logic they should be disabled as well by the red wave. Might I remind that those synthetics include parts on Shepards heart, spine and eyes.

And then there is the big explosion where Shepard is near ground zero....lets take a real life example here. The nuke which hit Hiroshima exploded 600 meters above the city and wiped out a radius of about 2 km of the city and that was without the fireball ever touching the ground.

The explosion in ME3 is more than 10 times as wide as the the Nuke above Hiroshima and Shepard is within the Fireball itself and standing in an exposed area. For an idea of what would happen to Shepard I can tell you about a Shadow burned into a staircase in Hiroshima...well it is not a shadow per see, it is the ash of the person who stood before the staircase melted into the wall. Nothing else remained.

And finally if the red wave disables Synthetics and Shepards synthetics in his body counts into that group then life support, mass effect fields, artificial gravity, you name it on the Citadel should have been disabled as well.

And yet Shepard, through all of this, is able to take a single breath...

There is suspension of disbelief and then there is ludicrous.

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This^^

Thanks for expressing it better than I could.

Returning to the example of Indy in the fridge - the point Byne was making, IsaacShep, was that people DIDN'T accept it. Despite the fact that Indiana Jones is a fantasy adventure series, with no pretensions towards being realistic.

Indy had previously encountered a chest full of face-melting demons, an evil priest capable of ripping out a person's still beating heart and showing it to them, and a cup capable of making folks immortal. Yet the infamous fridge was the point were the fans drew the line in the sand. That scene was universally derided. It even became a meme, synonymous with "Jumping the Shark" to describe the moment when a series fell off a cliff.

Mass Effect is a series with a different tone altogether. It has aspirations of being, if not exactly "Hard" Sci-fi, at least reasonably "firm" sci-fi. It has well thought out explanations for it's more fanciful elements, like eezo and biotics. It even went to the trouble of explaining how we can hear explosions in space. There's a scene where Steve explains that ships are fitted with "acoustic simulators" to make explosions seem more psychologically real to pilots.

Yet at the climax of the series, the literal interpretation asks for leaps of faith which would raise eyebrows in Harry Freaking Potter! 

First Harbinger politely waits while Shepard says goodbye to his Crew.

Then he manages to miss his arch-nemesis Shepard, despite being perfectly capable of vaporising everyone else on the beam run, and Shepard being prone on the ground after tripping over.

He then flies off leaving the Reaper's greatest weakness completely unguarded apart from 3 husks and a marauder.

The beam then conveniently drops Shepard off, a mere 5 minute's stroll from the control panel, in the entire vast expanse of the citadel.

Finally Shepard survives the mother of all explosions, despite having no shields, no armor, or even a bloody fridge to hide in!

There's a reason the expression "Truth is stranger than fiction" is a cliche. People will accept all manner of unlikely events with the disclaimer "based on a true story" - like the examples IsaacShep made of people surviving the September 11th attacks.

However they are, perversely, much less likely to be forgiving of works of fiction - and any competant writer knows this. It may well be possible to survive a nuclear explosion of a certain yield, at a certain distance, in a fridge with a certain thickness of lead lining it (although seriously, who makes a fridge with lead?). But you don't write it into your story unless you want it to be a laughing stock.

Bioware have previously produced some of the best writing in gaming, even in the earlier parts of ME3. They appear to be intelligent, responsible adults, allowed to do things like vote, and drive cars, and use a pair of scissors while unsupervised. I cannot believe they intended the literal end of this story to be definitive. I suppose you could call this the "argument from unbelievability".

Anyway, rant over.

Modifié par Eryri, 23 décembre 2012 - 12:36 .


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Had interesting dream about future DLC. Trailer went backwards in time starting from the ending. It pointed out all kinds of strange and not so strange things about what occurred in the game. Casey Hudson was narrating it, it was clear our ending choice would affect future title. Trailer ended when Shepard woke up in Dr. Kenson's lab.

Interesting dream.

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Also Lilith was my nickname on that page for some time, somewhere around 2007/2008, that's why the folder is named that way.

Oh no! Megumi!

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I know :C