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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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#72001
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Andromidius wrote...

Ignoring that the Citadel isn't a vacuum. But then you do ignore a lot of things, so your point is invalid.


Someone must have forgotten ME1. Or are you simply just ignoring ME1 for the sake of your argument? Pot, meet kettle.

#72002
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MaximizedAction wrote...

Don't reply to him!


OMG DON'T REPLY TO HIM! *mass hysteria*

Hahaha, It's rather funny to see you break out in panic as soon as I post here and someone replies to me, regardless of the content of my post.

#72003
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I'm merely pointing out you're wrong. Which you are. Regularly.

Also no I'm not ignoring ME1, troll. But even if we humour you for a moment and assume it was an implosion and not an explosion, Shepard would still die due to being SUCKED INTO THE IMPLOSION.

Now I'm done. Begone.

#72004
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

You don't need a nuclear blast to kill a human. An explosion a tenth as strong would still kill the guy. Accept it.

The creators of ME3 made Shepard survive the explosion. Accept it.


I've accepted the fact that you dont understand much about physics.


Neither do you, else you'd know that an nuclear explosion in the vacuum of space would implode rather than explode, causing an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) in the shape of a big cloud that fries all the nearby systems and electronics, but doesn't do any physical damage other than radioactive contamination.

In other words, a lot of things in the Destroy ending don't make sense, but Shepard surviving it isn't one of those things.


mass would probably have more to do with  it than vaccuum, just say'n

actually we're dealing with a lot/too many varibles that are completely unknowable. We don't even know what energy were utilized in the crucible detonation. We don't even know who designed it nor who places the ideas behind the decision menue. We don't know what powers up the catalyst, nor the relays and/or their engineers. We don't even know what and who a keeper is.

Finally, many don't really fully understand what indoctrination means nor how to impliment it as canon without a canon ending/choice. IT unravels it's self, as it has no foundation greater than speculation. A monument built of dry ice...

#72005
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Wayning_Star wrote...
Finally, many don't really fully understand what indoctrination means nor how to impliment it as canon without a canon ending/choice. IT unravels it's self, as it has no foundation greater than speculation. A monument built of dry ice...


Incorrect.  IT explains what happened, using information we know on indoctrination.  There's nothing to unravel, and if it 'unrevaled itself' then how come dozens of people attempting to tear it apart have failed again and again?

It beggers belief how people can't understand something so simple and straightforward.

#72006
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It's obvious Wayning_Star is the smartest, most honest and most realistic guy in here. Unlike Andronidius, who's rather zealous in his IT belief and displays a rather passive-aggressive behavior not uncommon for zealous believers, be it zealous religious believers or zealous conspiracy theorists.

Andronidius, you should take an example of Wayning_Star. At least he's capable of giving a normal and honest answer, an answer I'm can actually agree with.

Kudos to you Wayning_Star.

#72007
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Andromidius wrote...

I'm merely pointing out you're wrong. Which you are. Regularly.

Also no I'm not ignoring ME1, troll. But even if we humour you for a moment and assume it was an implosion and not an explosion, Shepard would still die due to being SUCKED INTO THE IMPLOSION.

Now I'm done. Begone.


You have no idea what you're talking about. :lol:

And yes, you are ignoring ME1, else you'd realize that outside of the wards, the environment around the Citadel is clearly a vacuum. Only the wards and apperantly the decision chamber of ME3 have an atmosphere. Not where there explosion in the ME3 ending takes place (which is at the tip of the Citadel tower, which is, as I said before, in a vacuum).

#72008
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So guys, any guesses at when the big DLC comes out? I've a good feeling about it :)

#72009
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ivenoidea wrote...

So i was playing through Leviathan again today and noticed a couple things.

I already pointed out shortly after release how very similar Indoctrination is to the mind control thing the Leviathans use. This makes sense because after all the reapers were built in the Leviathan's image.

There are a couple similarities between the scene where Shepard is thrown into this "alternative reality" created by the Leviathans and the last scene with Star Child.

Firstly the obvious one: The Leviathans take a shape that Shepard is familiar with, so he feels more comfortable talking. Is this not the exact thing the Star Child does? It takes the shape of the child that Shepard encountered in Vancouver and dreamt about so much.

Secondly: We can see Shepard lying there while he is in his "hallucination". At the end of it he suddenly wakes up quickly, somewhat similarily to the breath scene.

Those 2 things already tell us that Bioware are trying to draw parallels between those 2 scenes.

The third thing might need some explanation. We already established that a lot of things in the last 15 mins, after "The Run" are things Shepard has, in some form already seen.

Remember this scene? youtu.be/oRXR8oxKtBA

When i saw it first i thought it was odd, usually animations look much better, this time around it looked kinda jerky, like it didn't belong there. Well, guess what, that particular animation is just something Shepard had seen before. Check this out: youtu.be/5bt8_niKjQ8

Yep, that's Thane's loyalty mission and it's the same exact animation. It's only one of 2 cases where i noticed Bioware reuse old animation and having it look odd.

The second one is this: youtu.be/G9UkWqSG2QQ

The pose in which Shepard enters the hallucination. Seems familiar? Well it should.

youtu.be/W8WQ8bntA8g From the Star Child scene.

And guess what, in both cases where it is used it seems kinda jerky, as if to give a small hint that something is off.

Just another case of Bioware yelling "YEAH YOURE RIGHT" in the face of IT. Opinions?

Edit: As Rifneno pointed out, Shepard was in the kneeling position like that once already: youtu.be/M14Uihbb8w4

This proves further that it was not a coincidence they used that animation. They just put it in Leviathan to reinforce it.

It was blatantly obvious, and to me this was the single biggest thing that Leviathan added. Curious to see what comes later, but the end of this DLC cycle is taking its sweet time...

#72010
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Coolio, I've heard that it'll come out on March 5. It'll give Bioware as more time to make it as good and long as possible.

Ivenoidea, wow, I had never seen that one with Thane's mission before. The evidence just keeps piling up, doesn't it? And we keep finding new stuff, even as late as it is.

#72011
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March 5th, eh? That'd make it exactly a year...seems kinda important. IT confirmed

#72012
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Weren't there supposed to be two remaining DLC's or was that never confirmed?

March 5 is kinda far away, let's hope they keep the 'hype' alive with a few trailers in the meantime.

#72013
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Wait where did you guys suddenly get March 5th from?

#72014
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Morning.

#72015
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Honestly, I'm not sure. I just know other people in this thread keep saying that, and the DLC cycle is supposed to be 1 year. It does make sense that they'd try to push it as late as possible.

#72016
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masster blaster wrote...

Byne:Wake up.

Shepard:Where am I?


Byne:The IT thread. It's my home.

Shepard:Who are you?

Byne:I am the Catayst.

Shepard:I thought the IT thread
was the Catalyst.

Byne:No the IT thread is a part of me.

Shepard: I need to know how to stop wake up. Do you know how I can do that?

Byne: I created the IT thread. It is my solution.

Shepard: Solution? To what.

Byne: Explation to what happened at the end of ME3.

Some time later.....

Byne: I know you thought about Destroying the Reapers. You could pick Destroy and wake up.

Shepard: And the Reapers will be Destroyed?

Byne. No you would have to wake up from the visions you will have at the end. Then you would have to Destroy the Reapers another way. Unless you didn't prepare the galaxy, and gather enough war assets, then you could not wake up.

Shepard: Explain to me how prepareing the galaxy, and gathering my allies can help wake myself up.

Byne: You have gathered enough war assets/ prepared the galaxy. However if you made very bad chocies your mind will be plunged into a state of grief which may cause you to experence real life visions. So do not be tricked.

Shepard: But I can wake up?

Byne: That depends again on your choices.

Shepard: what about that choice on the left, and the one in the middle? Do they help wake me up?

Byne: they do but...

Shepard: but what?

Byne: You will never be the same. Everything you are now will be over writen. Your thoughts, your memorys all will be used against you.

Shepard: What do you mean? I don't understand what you are talking about.

Byne: right now your being Indoctrinated.

Shepard: Indoctrinated? How I thought I am....

Byne: No your not immune to Indoctrination. Everything you see right now is all made up of your memeories including me.

Shepard: So if I pick those two other choices....

Byne: You will lose yourself to the Reapers.

Shepard: But what if I refused these choices. Will I wake up?

Byne: You will....resist the Reapers, but no matter how much war assets you brought/ prepared the galaxy. You will not wake up. Your body right now is under Harbingers watch. If you don't make a choices right now Harbinger will kill you here right now.

Shepard: So what's to stop Harbinger from killing me if I pick Destroy?

Byne: Your ship, and crew are on their way to save you. If you move to the right they can save you from Harbingers laser.But if you refuse Harbinger, then you will stand in place, and the Normandy can't save you.

Shepard: But how? How do they save me in Destroy, but not refuse?

Byne: Why are you here?

Shepard: To stop the Reapers...why do you ask?

Byne: And how far will you go to end the Reapers?

Shepard: I....I.. don't know how far I would go. I can't kill the ones I love because I am not like that.

Byne: Then the war is lost.

Shepard: It's not..just because I can't Destroy the Reapers this way doesn't mean I can't another way.

Byne: There is no other way. If you want to refuse Harbinger go a head. But know all your love ones will die because you could not kill a race, and a friend.

Shepard: I thought you said I would wake up in Destroy if I pick it, but now your telling me one of my friends and a race will die.

Byne: That's if you will believe in what Harbinger tells you/ shows you. But if they do die, then it will be trying to save you. More may die in Destroy, than what Harbinger will tell you, but if you prepared the galaxy, and gathered enough war assets, then maybe you won't have to loose more than what you would have lost.

Shepard:.......

Byne: Harbinger is coming. Shepard what is about to happen right now you must not fall for Harbingers falls words/ promisses, and remember he will take the form of the......

* byne vanishes, and scene changes to the catalyst chambers*


Few minutes later.

Catalyst: The paths are open you must choose.



#72017
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masster blaster wrote...

Morning.


Wrex.

#72018
lex0r11

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I believe someone had him a little egg-nog this morning.

:D

#72019
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Lex egg nog! Me likey egg nog!

@Badger. Shepard.

#72020
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Rifneno wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Morning.


Wrex.



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#72021
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@masster
in case you missed my message last night, Im actually not a Synthesizer anymore.

#72022
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I saw LDS.

Also Meg why did you leave the group?

#72023
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I'm not looking into it anyway.

#72024
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Oh no! Megumi transformed into MegumiAsura!

Modifié par lex0r11, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:24 .


#72025
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@Masster
Ok, just wanting to update your info.

@Megumi
So you are leaving? Aww, you were fun to talk to. Well, good luck in your future endevours.