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I see Meg, and um do you mind telling me what your pic is? Well what your new avatar is? I think it suits you, but what is it?

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Well, as quickly as I came, I must depart and get ready for church.

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Bye!

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Bye LDS. So, what's up today? Also, Megumi, why are you leaving?

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"Data gathered suggests the loss of consumers and traffic on the BSN is far more significant than previously believed, even by me on a good day.

Now that the goodwill from everyone is well and truly dried up, (Leviathan umors that it would add more to the ending, Omega's in-comunity hype) and we've seen that even that couldn't truly carry Mass Effect 3 DLC sales through, and the potential flush of new Customers they were hoping for in the Wii-U release is well under 15k world wide, they may have finally seen that pride cometh before the proverbial fall.

So they may have buckled, given the fact that they're saying they're calling back all writers, something I know is only done for core story elements that are going to be added/altered, it seems significant.

Add to that, the fact that the lead composer is also returning for music (something that isn't done for any DLC that I really know of since the lead composer most certainly demands top dollar) and it also points to something "Big"

Way I see it its make it or break it time.

Only thing that's holding me back from saying its definitely gonna be an ending DLC is their previous adamance of no more ending DLC, the fact that the hack is also back on the project and that Casey hudson is still, for now, the Boss.

When two out of two don't wan to change something that leaves only the possible 3rd party making them change their minds. (EA)

The sales are bleeding white and that's something EA does not want to see in what was supposed to be a massive Cash Cow.

Problem is EA has a LOT bigger and more numerous problems atm than Bioware's BS especially one that's a year old. So they might not even give a **** atm while they're scrambling to find enough corks to plug the holes in the sinking ship that is their company."

Seen this quote on a thread and thought I'd post. No idea if it's legit (probably not) ... but implications could bode well for IT/ending DLC

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I'm just curious, I would actually like to see what those DLC sales numbers are...

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Anything new?
I've seen another discussion between literal vs IT POV.

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Traffic on the BSN is dying down beause the whiners are getting bored of it, and more and more people give up on being able to say anything useful among all the whiners.

Also, its not exactly a sign of bad things, it just means that the game was released ages ago. Every game forum slows down after a while.

Also, didn't they say something like Leviathan was the most successful DLC to date (when it was released)?

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masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider.



Byne:Wake up.

Shepard:Where am I?


Byne:The IT thread. It's my home.

Shepard:Who are you?

Byne:I am the Catayst.

Shepard:I thought the IT thread
was the Catalyst.

Byne:No the IT thread is a part of me.

Shepard: I need to know how to stop wake up. Do you know how I can do that?

Byne: I created the IT thread. It is my solution.

Shepard: Solution? To what.

Byne: Explation to what happened at the end of ME3.

Some time later.....

Byne: I know you thought about Destroying the Reapers. You could pick Destroy and wake up.

Shepard: And the Reapers will be Destroyed?

Byne. No you would have to wake up from the visions you will have at the end. Then you would have to Destroy the Reapers another way. Unless you didn't prepare the galaxy, and gather enough war assets, then you could not wake up.

Shepard: Explain to me how prepareing the galaxy, and gathering my allies can help wake myself up.

Byne: You have gathered enough war assets/ prepared the galaxy. However if you made very bad chocies your mind will be plunged into a state of grief which may cause you to experence real life visions. So do not be tricked.

Shepard: But I can wake up?

Byne: That depends again on your choices.

Shepard: what about that choice on the left, and the one in the middle? Do they help wake me up?

Byne: they do but...

Shepard: but what?

Byne: You will never be the same. Everything you are now will be over writen. Your thoughts, your memorys all will be used against you.

Shepard: What do you mean? I don't understand what you are talking about.

Byne: right now your being Indoctrinated.

Shepard: Indoctrinated? How I thought I am....

Byne: No your not immune to Indoctrination. Everything you see right now is all made up of your memeories including me.

Shepard: So if I pick those two other choices....

Byne: You will lose yourself to the Reapers.

Shepard: But what if I refused these choices. Will I wake up?

Byne: You will....resist the Reapers, but no matter how much war assets you brought/ prepared the galaxy. You will not wake up. Your body right now is under Harbingers watch. If you don't make a choices right now Harbinger will kill you here right now.

Shepard: So what's to stop Harbinger from killing me if I pick Destroy?

Byne: Your ship, and crew are on their way to save you. If you move to the right they can save you from Harbingers laser.But if you refuse Harbinger, then you will stand in place, and the Normandy can't save you.

Shepard: But how? How do they save me in Destroy, but not refuse?

Byne: Why are you here?

Shepard: To stop the Reapers...why do you ask?

Byne: And how far will you go to end the Reapers?

Shepard: I....I.. don't know how far I would go. I can't kill the ones I love because I am not like that.

Byne: Then the war is lost.

Shepard: It's not..just because I can't Destroy the Reapers this way doesn't mean I can't another way.

Byne: There is no other way. If you want to refuse Harbinger go a head. But know all your love ones will die because you could not kill a race, and a friend.

Shepard: I thought you said I would wake up in Destroy if I pick it, but now your telling me one of my friends and a race will die.

Byne: That's if you will believe in what Harbinger tells you/ shows you. But if they do die, then it will be trying to save you. More may die in Destroy, than what Harbinger will tell you, but if you prepared the galaxy, and gathered enough war assets, then maybe you won't have to loose more than what you would have lost.

Shepard:.......

Byne: Harbinger is coming. Shepard what is about to happen right now you must not fall for Harbingers falls words/ promisses, and remember he will take the form of the......

* byne vanishes, and scene changes to the catalyst chambers*


Few minutes later.

Catalyst: The paths are open you must choose.



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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@Megumi
So you are leaving? Aww, you were fun to talk to. Well, good luck in your future endevours.

Uh no, not leaving.

masster blaster wrote...

I see Meg, and um do you mind telling me what your pic is? Well what your new avatar is? I think it suits you, but what is it?

It's an Asura, most adorable species in any fantasy game :D

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The Asura are, and always will be, lame.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

You know I bet if I listened to the extracted title file I would probably hear the same sound. Restrider never got back to me about it. I don't know if Spot tried yet.

What kind of headphones do people use?

I tried it and the sounds are familiar to each other. But I am not really sure if they are the same. I guess the menu sound lacks the last part of the metallic scratching of the breath scene.
However, the menu sound was not really easy to listen to since it is very quiet.

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Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Eryri wrote...

A shameless repost of my rant from the bottom of the previous page. 

-snip-


<applause>  Well said.


Agreed.

It also shows the strange selectiveness of an audience, where they will accept one thing but not another.  The Indiana Jones examples were perfect.

Also, we should honestly start ignoring people like IsaacShep.  Someone necroed one of his threads from 9 months ago recently, and reading his OP says a lot about him.  He even described (the original!) Synthesis as 'beautiful'!


@Rifneno and Andromidius - Cheers guys! That means a lot. I'm glad you liked it. :)

Re an audience's selectivity about what they will accept - perhaps they were happy with the supernatural elements in Indiana Jones, because we have no experience of them in real life, and we have to accept them in order for the story to work.

However, we do all know at least one, slightly pudgy pensioner. The thought of a guy like that, being hurled miles through the air in a metal box and then being able to walk out without being a mass of broken bones, defies our real life experience and common sense.

The same is true of Shepard's breath scene. We may not have personal experience of exploding space stations, but we all have intuitive knowledge of what the human body can withstand. No matter how many implants he may have, there's no way anything with flesh and blood could survive that explosion.

On another topic St Elmo has a poll on what whether we expect the next dlc to impact the ending - I voted yes, and that I want it to.

Modifié par Eryri, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:07 .


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Restrider wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

You know I bet if I listened to the extracted title file I would probably hear the same sound. Restrider never got back to me about it. I don't know if Spot tried yet.

What kind of headphones do people use?

I tried it and the sounds are familiar to each other. But I am not really sure if they are the same. I guess the menu sound lacks the last part of the metallic scratching of the breath scene.
However, the menu sound was not really easy to listen to since it is very quiet.

Extract the file, it's much louder. I wrote the names some pages ago.

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CoolioThane wrote...

"Data gathered suggests the loss of consumers and traffic on the BSN is far more significant than previously believed, even by me on a good day.

Now that the goodwill from everyone is well and truly dried up, (Leviathan umors that it would add more to the ending, Omega's in-comunity hype) and we've seen that even that couldn't truly carry Mass Effect 3 DLC sales through, and the potential flush of new Customers they were hoping for in the Wii-U release is well under 15k world wide, they may have finally seen that pride cometh before the proverbial fall.

snip


I've said this before, but in a way, I would actually have even more respect for bioware if it turned out that they hadn't planned the IT, but decided to adopt it out of respect for us fans and our investment in the story. 

Everyone makes mistakes, but it's a sign of character to admit and rectify them.

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CoolioThane wrote...

"Data gathered suggests the loss of consumers and traffic on the BSN is far more significant than previously believed, even by me on a good day.

Now that the goodwill from everyone is well and truly dried up, (Leviathan umors that it would add more to the ending, Omega's in-comunity hype) and we've seen that even that couldn't truly carry Mass Effect 3 DLC sales through, and the potential flush of new Customers they were hoping for in the Wii-U release is well under 15k world wide, they may have finally seen that pride cometh before the proverbial fall.

So they may have buckled, given the fact that they're saying they're calling back all writers, something I know is only done for core story elements that are going to be added/altered, it seems significant.

Add to that, the fact that the lead composer is also returning for music (something that isn't done for any DLC that I really know of since the lead composer most certainly demands top dollar) and it also points to something "Big"

Way I see it its make it or break it time.

Only thing that's holding me back from saying its definitely gonna be an ending DLC is their previous adamance of no more ending DLC, the fact that the hack is also back on the project and that Casey hudson is still, for now, the Boss.

When two out of two don't wan to change something that leaves only the possible 3rd party making them change their minds. (EA)

The sales are bleeding white and that's something EA does not want to see in what was supposed to be a massive Cash Cow.

Problem is EA has a LOT bigger and more numerous problems atm than Bioware's BS especially one that's a year old. So they might not even give a **** atm while they're scrambling to find enough corks to plug the holes in the sinking ship that is their company."

Seen this quote on a thread and thought I'd post. No idea if it's legit (probably not) ... but implications could bode well for IT/ending DLC


Sounds to me as if that person was implying an ending DLC would be something Bioware would be forced to do. It reminds me of one of the 4chan rumors that came up at the end of March that EA would force Bioware to redo the ending and release a big DLC somewhere around April.

All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again. :ph34r:

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ivenoidea wrote...

So i was playing through Leviathan again today and noticed a couple things.

I already pointed out shortly after release how very similar Indoctrination is to the mind control thing the Leviathans use. This makes sense because after all the reapers were built in the Leviathan's image.

There are a couple similarities between the scene where Shepard is thrown into this "alternative reality" created by the Leviathans and the last scene with Star Child.

Firstly the obvious one: The Leviathans take a shape that Shepard is familiar with, so he feels more comfortable talking. Is this not the exact thing the Star Child does? It takes the shape of the child that Shepard encountered in Vancouver and dreamt about so much.

Secondly: We can see Shepard lying there while he is in his "hallucination". At the end of it he suddenly wakes up quickly, somewhat similarily to the breath scene.

Those 2 things already tell us that Bioware are trying to draw parallels between those 2 scenes.

The third thing might need some explanation. We already established that a lot of things in the last 15 mins, after "The Run" are things Shepard has, in some form already seen.

Remember this scene? youtu.be/oRXR8oxKtBA

When i saw it first i thought it was odd, usually animations look much better, this time around it looked kinda jerky, like it didn't belong there. Well, guess what, that particular animation is just something Shepard had seen before. Check this out: youtu.be/5bt8_niKjQ8

Yep, that's Thane's loyalty mission and it's the same exact animation. It's only one of 2 cases where i noticed Bioware reuse old animation and having it look odd.

The second one is this: youtu.be/G9UkWqSG2QQ

The pose in which Shepard enters the hallucination. Seems familiar? Well it should.

youtu.be/W8WQ8bntA8g From the Star Child scene.

And guess what, in both cases where it is used it seems kinda jerky, as if to give a small hint that something is off.

Just another case of Bioware yelling "YEAH YOURE RIGHT" in the face of IT. Opinions?

Edit: As Rifneno pointed out, Shepard was in the kneeling position like that once already: youtu.be/M14Uihbb8w4

This proves further that it was not a coincidence they used that animation. They just put it in Leviathan to reinforce it.

Not sure if already pointed out, but you can add Object Rho, too
Btw, nice post.

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Well the Mayans managed to fool a lot of people thinking the world was going to end on the 21, or the 23.

This is why I am not believeing a word Bioware says about ME.

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Eryri wrote...

I've said this before, but in a way, I would actually have even more respect for bioware if it turned out that they hadn't planned the IT, but decided to adopt it out of respect for us fans and our investment in the story. 

Everyone makes mistakes, but it's a sign of character to admit and rectify them.

While I do completely agree with you on this point (the most extreme way of listening to their fans and having their opinions matter) I truly believe that they had this planned out. It's in their history to have these twist-endings. They certainly have done things like this before with Jade Empire for example. Plus throughout the series, lore that has been established has been followed up on (Oily Shadows, nightmares with whispers, alien voices in the head). If this was not planned in the beginning it certainly was in mind for Arrival.

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to all things there is an end. perhaps this is theirs?

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masster blaster wrote...

Well the Mayans managed to fool a lot of people thinking the world was going to end on the 21, or the 23.

This is why I am not believeing a word Bioware says about ME.

The end will come if not enough people managed to complete the op :o

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well the Mayans managed to fool a lot of people thinking the world was going to end on the 21, or the 23.

This is why I am not believeing a word Bioware says about ME.

The end will come if not enough people managed to complete the op :o


The Mayans forgot to change their calendar Posted Image

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AresKeith wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well the Mayans managed to fool a lot of people thinking the world was going to end on the 21, or the 23.

This is why I am not believeing a word Bioware says about ME.

The end will come if not enough people managed to complete the op :o


The Mayans forgot to change their calendar Posted Image

I feel sorry for those people who stood on the mountain in Italy all day waiting for Aliens to take them.

Fools.

Nobody can predict the exact date of the end of all things.

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I was thinking if breath scene could possibly happen on the Citadel and then I realised that during that scene you could hear wind blowing
I don't remember if codex ever mention about wind on the Citadel. Or maybe i have problem with ears :)

EDIT: First top on BSN! Yeah! B)

Modifié par hermiona15, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:59 .


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I have been playing through some of the other Bioware titles recently (most notably KoToR and DA:O) and the plot twist really stuck out to me...and it got me thinking, has there been that plot twist in ME?

ME 1 - Sovereign is a Reaper

ME 2 - Collector's were the Protheans

Ok, seems to be following the pattern so far...

ME 3- ?????

Is it just me, or is that game as is - missing the huge plot twist that Bioware is known for? I think that most here on this thread would agree what would fit perfectly...