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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Rifneno wrote...

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Well, let's just say I made an inference based on what I know of American parents, their kids, how closely they read the ratings, and how much they care. Which is to say, almost not at all.


True enough, but I doubt other countries aren't full of idiots too. My favorite such story was a woman who bought her 10 year old daughter Grand Theft Auto: Vice City on the basis that the box was pink.


Yeah, there are idiots everywhere.  

Also, I thought that the kids might be American since it was SeaWorld, which, you know, is an American theme park.  I know there will be tourists, but Americans are more likely, I think.

Edit: By "tourists" I meant FOREIGN tourists.  Just felt I should clarify.

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Or at least, if the POSSIBILTY of the ending being an indoctrination attempt didn't exist, we wouldn't still be open.  It's all a matter of whether there is one, definitive interpretation of the endings, or if there isn't.


IT will never be confirmed. They'll just keep giving us more hints.

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My mum was totally against 18 games in my house until I was about 15 because by that age everything's fine.


Yeah, same here, though the games here that are actually released in stores peak at 17+.

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magnetite wrote...

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Or at least, if the POSSIBILTY of the ending being an indoctrination attempt didn't exist, we wouldn't still be open.  It's all a matter of whether there is one, definitive interpretation of the endings, or if there isn't.


IT will never be confirmed. They'll just keep giving us more hints.


I don't think so.  I think they'll give us an answer eventually, whether that answer is that we're right, or that IT will remain as only one of many possible interpretations.

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I don't think so.  I think they'll give us an answer eventually, whether that answer is that we're right, or that IT will remain as only one of many possible interpretations.


Doesn't that go against the ending being open to interpretation? If the ending was a puzzle for us to solve, if they "confirm IT", then that solves the ending puzzle for the most part.

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What is IT’s best piece of evidence?

The utter improbability that Bioware would write such an awesome, deep game with such great lore and characters, then apparently forget all of those characters, break the lore, and release a generally unsatisfying end the their awesome trilogy. The end of ME3 is arguably the most important part of the series. But then, after that, release more awesomely written DLC. How could they be awesome, screw up very badly, then be awesome again? Doesn't make any sense! So my biggest piece of IT evidence is BW screwing up that badly, because it simply makes less sense than the endings!

Basically if the literal endings are true (regardless of breaking themes and lore) it means Shepard and all of Shepard's friends and allies are just stubborn idiots. They should have listened to the antagonists (Saren, TIM, Reapers) the whole time. Instead they're just soldiers only able to look at the world down the barrel of a gun. That would not only make no sense at all from a writing perspective, but it would be totally, totally lame.

I also want someone to ask why the apparent moral of the story was something like this:
“The villains were right all along; the hero and associates were just too stubborn to realize it. Also, free will sucks, and gets everyone killed. Better to force something on everything in the galaxy."

Here's how I see it: Whether intentionally or not, BW has in fact indoctrinated much of the playerbase. The fun thing about that is you can't really argue it, because said portion of the playerbase aligned themselves with the reapers willingly. If BW didn't intend this, they indoctrinated themselves, much like what the reapers may have done.

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magnetite wrote...

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I don't think so.  I think they'll give us an answer eventually, whether that answer is that we're right, or that IT will remain as only one of many possible interpretations.


Doesn't that go against the ending being open to interpretation? If the ending was a puzzle for us to solve, if they "confirm IT", then that solves the ending puzzle for the most part.


The question is, is interpretation the alpha AND omega of the ME3 ending?  Or just the alpha?

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magnetite wrote...

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Or at least, if the POSSIBILTY of the ending being an indoctrination attempt didn't exist, we wouldn't still be open.  It's all a matter of whether there is one, definitive interpretation of the endings, or if there isn't.


IT will never be confirmed. They'll just keep giving us more hints.

Whew. Glad someone from Bioware confirmed that. It was eating me up.

Lol Rif. Thought the same thing. Posted Image

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magnetite wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Or at least, if the POSSIBILTY of the ending being an indoctrination attempt didn't exist, we wouldn't still be open.  It's all a matter of whether there is one, definitive interpretation of the endings, or if there isn't.


IT will never be confirmed. They'll just keep giving us more hints.


Glad you were here to tell us that. We've been wondering if and when there'll be an answer for 9 months. Good to see someone finally knows. Oh well, time to pack it up I guess.

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Here's how I see it: Whether intentionally or not, BW has in fact indoctrinated much of the playerbase. The fun thing about that is you can't really argue it, because said portion of the playerbase aligned themselves with the reapers willingly. If BW didn't intend this, they indoctrinated themselves, much like what the reapers may have done.


Bioware is the Reapers. I keep meaning to do that indoctrinated fan video of Saren.

We've been wondering if and when there'll be an answer for 9 months. Good to see someone finally knows.
Oh well, time to pack it up I guess.


IT is kind of like philosophy. It will never be answered, always open to interpretation. Religion, on the other hand, no one questions and just believes what the God or bible dude says. Religion and church is a form of indoctrination because they tell you what to believe.

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magnetite wrote...

IT is kind of like philosophy. It will never be answered, always open to interpretation. Religion, on the other hand, no one questions and just believes what the God or bible dude says. Religion and church is a form of indoctrination because they tell you what to believe.


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magnetite, you're speaking in definites. You don't THINK they'll confirm it. I, personally, do and cannot wait to be proven right :D

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CoolioThane wrote...

My mum was totally against 18 games in my house until I was about 15 because by that age everything's fine.


Pfft my parents didn´t care, they just ask me is it had obsene(sex) stuff. They thrusted me

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Rifneno wrote...

magnetite wrote...

IT is kind of like philosophy. It will never be answered, always open to interpretation. Religion, on the other hand, no one questions and just believes what the God or bible dude says. Religion and church is a form of indoctrination because they tell you what to believe.


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Fur28 wrote...

They thrusted me


Did they now?

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byne wrote...

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They thrusted me


Did they now?

i always answered the thruth and there wasn´t any. Only played my cousins GTA.
and they knew games dont affects kid´s mind or corrupt

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The music in the Normandy's lounge is weird. For some reason the music includes very quiet laughter from time to time and its kind of creepy.

Its like ghosts are having a party and they didnt invite me, and I'm the Commander, I should be invited to all parties on board.

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Fur28 wrote...

byne wrote...

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They thrusted me


Did they now?

i always answered the thruth and there wasn´t any. Only played my cousins GTA.
and they knew games dont affects kid´s mind or corrupt


That was mostly me poking fun at your typo, since trust and thrust are two totally different things.

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Well that challenge was one of the most fun I've played in awhile, mainly because I could use my Shadow. :P

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Arashi08 wrote...

Well that challenge was one of the most fun I've played in awhile, mainly because I could use my Shadow. :P

:D     It was a fun challenge. Remember you can play with me anytime you want.

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byne wrote...
Its like ghosts are having a party and they didnt invite me, and I'm the Commander, I should be invited to all parties on board.

You're the commander. You are invited to all parties on board. Posted Image

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Well that challenge was one of the most fun I've played in awhile, mainly because I could use my Shadow. :P


I dont think we're friends on XBL, are we?

If not, we should be.

If so, I apologize for forgetting your gamertag :unsure:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...
Its like ghosts are having a party and they didnt invite me, and I'm the Commander, I should be invited to all parties on board.

You're the commander. You are invited to all parties on board. Posted Image


I still wonder why they have a laugh track for the lounge's music.

I also still want to know what that crazy chair in the corner does.

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byne wrote...

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Well that challenge was one of the most fun I've played in awhile, mainly because I could use my Shadow. :P


I dont think we're friends on XBL, are we?

If not, we should be.

If so, I apologize for forgetting your gamertag :unsure:

Sadly we are not. Posted Image  But feel free to send me a friend request if you like.  Gamertag: Yurusa08 Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

Well that challenge was one of the most fun I've played in awhile, mainly because I could use my Shadow. :P

:D     It was a fun challenge. Remember you can play with me anytime you want.


Well I WAS planning on asking for an invite, but after looking at the subsequent posts I figured you likely had a full group by then.