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[AxStapleton]

pseudonymic wrote...

with that said, there's one moment in ME3 between shepard and liara that makes me actually truly believe shepard is in the process of indoctrination. when they have a conversation where one of them says something about how to fight something that gets in your head, it's almost like validation to me that it is happening. bioware seems to like that sort of irony. funny enough, it would've fit with the idea of liara being part of this somehow, with all the mind melding she has done with shepard.

Tiny correction, I believe that was a conversation with Ashley after the Citadel coup.

[GethPrimeMKII]

There's a lot about TIM that go unanswered for the time being. Why does he attack the citadel? Why does he attack Omega? Where is he after his space station is attacked?

[MegumiAzusa]

protognosis wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

protognosis wrote...

It would have to be. As Shepard only explored a small secton in ME2.

I think they meant generally unexplored, not not visited by Shepard.

Yeah....herp derp. Lolz.
Aria already had a deal with TIM to allow Cerberus access to the relay. There was no need to take Omega except to p!ss off Aria. Seems like there was something else to it.

Actually TIM wanted to study Aria, so it seems something at her is special. She was captured before and one of the last pages of invasion:

Taking Omega just seems like a bonus.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 08 août 2012 - 01:23 .

[pseudonymic]

AxStapleton wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

with that said, there's one moment in ME3 between shepard and liara that makes me actually truly believe shepard is in the process of indoctrination. when they have a conversation where one of them says something about how to fight something that gets in your head, it's almost like validation to me that it is happening. bioware seems to like that sort of irony. funny enough, it would've fit with the idea of liara being part of this somehow, with all the mind melding she has done with shepard.

Tiny correction, I believe that was a conversation with Ashley after the Citadel coup.

my bad. remembering quotes is not exactly my forte. >< why do i recall a moment where liara may have mentioned something about "them being all indoctrinated" though? 

[Home run MF]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

protognosis wrote...

It would have to be. As Shepard only explored a small secton in ME2.

I think they meant generally unexplored, not not visited by Shepard.

Yeah....herp derp. Lolz.
Aria already had a deal with TIM to allow Cerberus access to the relay. There was no need to take Omega except to p!ss off Aria. Seems like there was something else to it.

Actually TIM wanted to study Aria, so it seems something at her is special. She was captured before and one of the last pages of invasion:

Taking Omega just seems like a bonus.

He also wanted the Grissom Academy students, wich oh big coincidence, got hinted in Retribution when the Reapers where controlling Grayson. TIM is doing what the Reapers want.
And I said the Omega 4 relay because it's a special relay, and it's close to a Reaper made station.

[GethPrimeMKII]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

protognosis wrote...

It would have to be. As Shepard only explored a small secton in ME2.

I think they meant generally unexplored, not not visited by Shepard.

Yeah....herp derp. Lolz.
Aria already had a deal with TIM to allow Cerberus access to the relay. There was no need to take Omega except to p!ss off Aria. Seems like there was something else to it.

Actually TIM wanted to study Aria, so it seems something at her is special. She was captured before and one of the last pages of invasion:

Taking Omega just seems like a bonus.

It almost seems like the reverse is true instead. That taking Omega was the intent, and Aria was the bonus. 

[MegumiAzusa]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

protognosis wrote...

It would have to be. As Shepard only explored a small secton in ME2.

I think they meant generally unexplored, not not visited by Shepard.

Yeah....herp derp. Lolz.
Aria already had a deal with TIM to allow Cerberus access to the relay. There was no need to take Omega except to p!ss off Aria. Seems like there was something else to it.

Actually TIM wanted to study Aria, so it seems something at her is special. She was captured before and one of the last pages of invasion:

Taking Omega just seems like a bonus.

It almost seems like the reverse is true instead. That taking Omega was the intent, and Aria was the bonus.

Have you read the comic? Whit how Aria was captured before I disagree.

[N7L4D]

Aria is the catalyst!!!!....that was a joke

[Lyria]

Ohhh Aria is a strong biotic. Could that be it?

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

protognosis wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

protognosis wrote...

So IT. I wonder if what TIM sought at Omega has something to do with reapers/control/indoctrination.

That depends. Are there unexplored regions of the Omega space station just like there are on the CItadel?

It would have to be. As Shepard only explored a small secton in ME2.

Why do you think he sought anything at Omega? It's the next thing that controls the passage to "his" new Collector base. Makes sense to acquire Omega as a FOB.

Has anyone thought about the Omega 4 relay? Maybe it's the piece missing, it could control and stabilize the crucible's energy so the other relays can stand it without blowing up.

I can't see how that relay should do that.

Well...it leads directly to a black hole while somehow not needing a second relay.

And this a very special relay, since it leads to the center of the milkyway. This must've been a very special strategy from the Reapers, since this is a relay that leads to to such a dead and chaotic place as the center (black holes, short-lived stars, etc.). Or maybe the concept of 'Collectors' has been a common strategy for the Reapers, who knows.

But either way, if handled properly, it can be of great strategic value!

[Rifneno]

protognosis wrote...

Ohhh Aria is a strong biotic. Could that be it?

I certainly can't think of any other connection between her and the Grissom students.

[pseudonymic]

N7L4D wrote...

Aria is the catalyst!!!!....that was a joke

that would've made a lot of people happy.

[Lyria]

That's all I can think of. Maybe Biotic brains have something different than normal brains that could influence indoctrination attempts.

[GethPrimeMKII]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

protognosis wrote...

It would have to be. As Shepard only explored a small secton in ME2.

I think they meant generally unexplored, not not visited by Shepard.

Yeah....herp derp. Lolz.
Aria already had a deal with TIM to allow Cerberus access to the relay. There was no need to take Omega except to p!ss off Aria. Seems like there was something else to it.

Actually TIM wanted to study Aria, so it seems something at her is special. She was captured before and one of the last pages of invasion:

Taking Omega just seems like a bonus.

It almost seems like the reverse is true instead. That taking Omega was the intent, and Aria was the bonus.

Have you read the comic? Whit how Aria was captured before I disagree.

No, haven't read that one yet. The conversation in that one page seemed to suggest Aria was to be an added prize. That's all.

[pseudonymic]

Rifneno wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Ohhh Aria is a strong biotic. Could that be it?

I certainly can't think of any other connection between her and the Grissom students.

this might be a long shot but... seeing how cerberus tested on kids (jack), maybe aria was involved in that somehow - possibly as a test subject? the biotic power thing being something that could tie them together. aria and jack have very similar "don't mess with me" personality types, so maybe that's a tie in.

[MaximizedAction]

protognosis wrote...

That's all I can think of. Maybe Biotic brains have something different than normal brains that could influence indoctrination attempts.

I would be disappointed if that were the explaination: I thought biotic powers didn't appear the first time with the Protheans. Therefore, if biotic brains had a potential to withstand indoc. attempts, then over all these cycles, some cycle should've managed to defeat the Reapers. After all, with every cycle there then should've been more and more survivors, so that at some point those folks could've built a strong enough force.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 08 août 2012 - 01:48 .

[Home run MF]

The Reapers want test subjects to analize a species and use that knowledge in their ground forces.
Remember when in ME2 TIM says the Collectors where abducting special subjects?
If you wanna get the best banshee would you rather have the powerfull Aria T'Loak or an inexperienced asari maiden?

[KneeTheCap]

Home run MF wrote...

The Reapers want test subjects to analize a species and use that knowledge in their ground forces.
Remember when in ME2 TIM says the Collectors where abducting special subjects?
If you wanna get the best banshee would you rather have the powerfull Aria T'Loak or an inexperienced asari maiden?

You mean....analyze? 

[Lyria]

MaximizedAction wrote...

protognosis wrote...

That's all I can think of. Maybe Biotic brains have something different than normal brains that could influence indoctrination attempts.

I would be disappointed if that were the explaination: I thought biotic powers didn't appear the first time with the Protheans. Therefore, if biotic brains had a potential to withstand indoc. attempts, then over all these cycles, some cycle should've managed to defeat the Reapers. After all, with every cycle there then should've been more and more survivors, so that at some point those folks could've built a strong enough force.

I meant that there could be something in biotic brains that could be exploited to make TIMs indoctrination attempts better and it doesn't show up except in really strong buotic users.

[GethPrimeMKII]

If Aria was TIM's main goal in the attack, why keep Omega? I imagine it would take significant manpower to occupy such a massive space station.

[Home run MF]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

The Reapers want test subjects to analize a species and use that knowledge in their ground forces.
Remember when in ME2 TIM says the Collectors where abducting special subjects?
If you wanna get the best banshee would you rather have the powerfull Aria T'Loak or an inexperienced asari maiden?

You mean....analyze? 

 Sorry I'm not a native English speaker

Also can I add this to my point Your worlds will become our laboratories - Harby

[AxStapleton]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

If Aria was TIM's main goal in the attack, why keep Omega? I imagine it would take significant manpower to occupy such a massive space station.

All while taking on the Blue Suns, Eclipse and The Blood Pack all at the same time.

[Rifneno]

Home run MF wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

The Reapers want test subjects to analize a species and use that knowledge in their ground forces.
Remember when in ME2 TIM says the Collectors where abducting special subjects?
If you wanna get the best banshee would you rather have the powerfull Aria T'Loak or an inexperienced asari maiden?

You mean....analyze? 

 Sorry I'm not a native English speaker

Also can I add this to my point Your worlds will become our laboratories - Harby

That was a mistranslation.  It was supposed to be "Your endings will become our lavatories."

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Home run MF wrote...

The Reapers want test subjects to analize a species and use that knowledge in their ground forces.
Remember when in ME2 TIM says the Collectors where abducting special subjects?
If you wanna get the best banshee would you rather have the powerfull Aria T'Loak or an inexperienced asari maiden?

Even better scenario is to Indoctrinate Aria. With her pull among the many Pirates and Mercenaries capturing and Indoctrinating her would just about eliminate those completely from the equation and as we know from ME3 the Blue Suns, Blood Pack and Eclipse is quite a force when united under one cause.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 08 août 2012 - 02:08 .

[MegumiAzusa]

AxStapleton wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

If Aria was TIM's main goal in the attack, why keep Omega? I imagine it would take significant manpower to occupy such a massive space station.

All while taking on the Blue Suns, Eclipse and The Blood Pack all at the same time.

Because it's still the best place for an FOB, and with Aria gone there is only chaos left.