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[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I preferred that one where Shepard jumps into the synthesis beam while Saren's theme plays and gets a critical mission failure. Now that's some truth.

Merry Christmas!

Pure... concentrated...

[Dwailing]

So, if anyone needs a laugh, watch this video: It's not ME related at all, but I felt like sharing.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Ok, check this out - am i seeing thing or they completely stole the Mass effect opening style? 
www.ign.com/videos/2012/12/24/dead-space-3-the-story-so-far

Ha awesome. Did you restart the video and watch it through?

I watched it whole. 

Oh good!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@massterIwont be on tororrow when you your gift thing here. Can you PM whatever it is,if anything, you got me please? I've been really good by forsaking Synthesis.

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

Oh yeah, snow for the first time all year!!!

Regaurding the Catalyst telling the truth or lying, I would like to input somethings, the Catalyst blatantly lies and contradict himself. "The created will always rebel against their creators." Lie, the Quarians struck first and the Geth defended themselves. The events of the Geth attacking in ME1 have nothing to do with this as those Geth were heritics following Sovereign.

Sometimes he will tell you half- truths. "He (TIM) could never have taken control, because we already controlled him." That is true, TIM was indoctrinated/under Reaper influence. But immediately after that, says that Shepard can control the Reapers. Shepard was just controlled by TIM to shoot Anderson, so Shepard was effectively being controlled by the Reapers at that point. Based on that Shepard also could never have taken control.

Bottom line, most of what the Catalyst says are blatant lies and half-truths followed up by contradicting pieces of information.

Yeah, it's like they took the word "contradiction" and tried to base a character off of it. Possibly Definitely a plot segment as well.

@Rif thanks.

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Oh good!

Why?

[masster blaster]

LDS maybe. I would have to go talk with Santabringer to see if you are on the naughty list, or the good list.

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Oh good!

Why?

Simply because I linked it part-way through. Going to eat lunch, happy speculating!

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Oh good!

Why?

Simply because I linked it part-way through. Going to eat lunch, happy speculating!

wait, what?? You linked it? How come you linked it, when i posted the link... I'm confused. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@401 Kill
So he uses trick wordplay like a Djinn(commonly called genies for those not into mythology). Well in that case, I am not trusting him at all anymore. Thanks to all for helping clarify this for me and I apologize if I was rude for I did not intend such. Too little sleep at a super busy week will do that, but sorry nonetheless.

[masster blaster]

Dem Banshee is Chris. Haha! That's why.

[401 Kill]

Dwailing wrote...

So, if anyone needs a laugh, watch this video: It's not ME related at all, but I felt like sharing.

I love Happy Wheels! I even had a plan to make a Happy Wheels Ap for the iPod and sell it for 99c.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@masster
Thanks. And if you cant do it early just PMit when you do everyone else.

[demersel]

masster blaster wrote...

Dem Banshee is Chris. Haha! That's why.

What? I don't get it. 

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Dem Banshee is Chris. Haha! That's why.

What? I don't get it. 

Don't try to.  Masster forgot his medication again.  Just walk away slowly.  Don't make any sudden movements.

[masster blaster]

Okay was watching the 2003 TMNT show, and Leo meet the Shredders other form.
Arokosace. Anyways he was explaining to Leo that the foot nijia clan is not evil, and they are the good guys.

Leo is fooled by the Shredders kindness/ promise, and in return Leo is given a Foot nijias Katana, and goes back home.

However his three brothers were watching the meeting, and confront Leo. Leo then attacks Rafe, and then soon comes to realization he was fooled my the Shredder.

Then they go back to their home, and tell their father, and master what happened. Splinter then tells them about how the Shredder killed his master, and then they all go take down Shredder.

Edit: To bad the Catalyst is not trying to be nice to Shepard/ want peace with Shepard.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 décembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Dem Banshee is Chris. Haha! That's why.

What? I don't get it. 

Don't try to.  Masster forgot his medication again.  Just walk away slowly.  Don't make any sudden movements.

Yeah, i think that is exactly what i'm gonna do. 

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

 Ok, check this out - am i seeing thing or they completely stole the Mass effect opening style? 
www.ign.com/videos/2012/12/24/dead-space-3-the-story-so-far

You're not seeing things, and it's not just the style.

A protagonist touches an ancient artifact that downloads confusing forbidden knowledge into his mind - check.

Protagonist suffers hallucinations and mental attacks. - check.

Technology that drives people mad or turns them into grotesque zombies - check.

A hunt for clues from the past to find a magic bullet to solve the problem - check, check, check.

I'm not sure which franchise started first, so I'm not sure who's ripping off who, but blimey! There really are only about 8 plots in the world.

Modifié par Eryri, 24 décembre 2012 - 09:34 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

my post directed at 401 Kill is actually directed to everybody but I can not edit through my xbox.

[masster blaster]

Funny Badger. Oh and I love in Dragon Age Origins that your Warden has nightmers no matter how tough you make them. Your Warden is freaked out.

[demersel]

Eryri wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Ok, check this out - am i seeing thing or they completely stole the Mass effect opening style? 
www.ign.com/videos/2012/12/24/dead-space-3-the-story-so-far

You're not seeing things, and it's not just the style.

A protagonist touches an ancient artifact that downloads confusing forbidden knowledge into his mind - check.

Protagonist suffers hallucinations and mental attacks. - check.

Technology that drives people mad or turns them into grotesque zombies - check.

A hunt for clues from the past to find a magic bullet to solve the problem - check, check, check.

I'm not sure which franchise started first, so I'm not sure who's ripping off who, but blimey! There really are only about 8 plots in the world.

True to all of those things, but i was mainly speaking about the opening shot of the planet with a distinct ckanking sound. 

By the way, have you seen the ending of Dead Space 2? the main character is literally fighting off a hallucination that was driving him forward and giving directions and objectives though out all the game, and he does so inside his own mind!   that happened a YEAR before ME3 release. 

Modifié par demersel, 24 décembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Because one small piece of evidence doesn't prove anything, for anyone. I disagree with Doomsday's idea about the Geth being Reaper controlled for the same primary reason I disagree with your idea Hellish: It may not go against lore, but it does go against themes and storytelling.

I am thinking of different themes than you are.

Your theme:

BleedingUranium wrote...

(...) because this is fiction, and fiction has story and theme, saving the Rachni queen, curing the Genophage (with Wrex), and uploading Legion's code will all be good, and the right decisions.

All of this will be right and good because this is fiction, and fiction has themes? That's what you're saying. Sorry, but that makes zero sense to me. You're not even pointing out what the theme exactly is. Maybe you're not explaining yourself well enough, but I don't see what you're trying to say with that. Sorry.

My theme:

Making peace between the Geth and the Quarians could be bad, because even though you're doing all the right things for all the right reasons, you're doing it the wrong way: you're using a Reaper solution to get there. For that same reason using the crucible will be bad, choosing control will be bad and choosing synthesis will be bad.

And that is the difference between saving the Rachni queen, curing the genophage, and this. There is no Reaper solution involved in the other cases, plus I can't think of a single reason to distrust Wrex.

And before you start about how using the Reaper upgrades isn't using Reaper tech because it's 'reverse engineered': I've gone through all the dialogue in the entire mission, and there is absolutely nothing that even suggests this.

Here is literally everything that is ever said about the subject:

(Before the mission)

Legion: We will deactivate defense systems and acquire an escape vehicle.
Shepard: You can do that?
Legion:  This unit still carries remnants of the Old Machine upgrade code. We can break any Geth security. You are concerned.
Shepard: (renegade) Yes, I'm concerned! You're still hooked up to the Reapers?
Legion: No, we simply carry code upgrades that make us more effective--more intelligent.
Shepard: But you lied! You lied about rescuing those Geth on the server, and you're lying again now! Damn it, Legion, what do I have to do to gain your trust?
(...)

------

(After the mission)

Legion: Shepard-Commander. The Geth only acted in defense after the creators attacked. Do we deserve death?
Shepard: What are you suggesting?
Legion: Our upgrades. With the old machine dead, we could upload them to all Geth without sacrificing their independence.
Tali: You want to upload the Reaper code? That would make the Geth as smart as when the Reaper was controlling them!
Legion: Yes, but with free will. Each Geth unit would be a true intelligence. We would be alive, and we could help you.
(...)
Legion: Error. Copying code is insufficient. Direct personality dissemination required. Shepard-Commander, I must go to them. I'm sorry, it's the only way.

At best, you can assume he reworked the code because he mentions the word 'remnants'. But it is nowhere near solid proof that it was reverse engineered. He basically just talks about upgrades all the time, and Shepard definitely calls it "Reaper code".

Now, I don't mind you disagreeing with me. What I do mind, is that I'm being painted as having a wild and crazy idea that is based on nothing but wild 'what if' assumptions. At the same time, I'm not claiming with any degree of certainty that I am right about 'my theme'. You, on the other hand, speak as if with authority, while some of the things you're claiming aren't exactly based on solid facts.

And just for completeness sake, my reasons:

- The Geth willingly aligned themselves with the Reapers

- The Geth are of the opinion that submission is preferable to extinction (Whether or not Legion agrees with this is irrelevant when a significant majority of Geth programs have been rewritten by the Reapers - because they operate on consensus)

- There are eerie similarities between the whole Zha'til and the Geth/Quarian situation (Both organic races can't live on their homeworld anymore and both enter a symbiotic relationship with Reaper-based AI)

- Legion suddenly no longer has any problems accepting the Reapers' gifts

- Legion withholds information from Shepard THREE times:

1. When not telling Shepard that (s)he's going to have to go into the consensus itself.
2. When not telling Shepard that he (Legion) is saving Geth programs from the consensus.
3. When not telling Shepard that he (Legion) still carries the Reaper upgrades.

Again: We can stop discussing this, we can agree to disagree, I just want it to be clear that I actually have good reasons for distrusting the Geth, and as far as themes go, I'm seeing a different theme.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 24 décembre 2012 - 09:48 .

[dorktainian]

eye....nearly xmas here in the uk. ii'll take this moment to wish all ITers a merry xmas. May you all get exactly what you want.

[demersel]

Doomsday. All true. But i will still make the peace between the geth and the quarians. And if there are consequances to that - i'd be very interested to know them, and deal with them. )

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

True to all of those things, but i was mainly speaking about the opening shot of the planet with a distinct ckanking sound.

Yes that does stand out. Also the ending of the segment even has a sound very reminiscent of a Reaper horn

By the way, have you seen the ending of Dead Space 2? the main character is literally fighting off a hallucination that was driving him forward and giving directions and objectives though out all the game, and he does so inside his own mind!   that happened a YEAR before ME3 release. 

I haven't played it, but I had heard that was the case. And DS2 happens to be published by another division of EA, I believe... Well, well. Fancy that...