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AresKeith

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estebanus wrote...

 Actually, we don't open presents on the 25th anywhere in Europe, as far as I know. It's not only a danish tradition. It's largely because the 25th is not as important to european cultures as the 24th is. You could almost say that opening your presents on the 25th is a north-american tradition:P 

Aaand Banshee's on top... this time:ph34r:


I was only allowed to open one present on the 24th lol

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AresKeith wrote...

estebanus wrote...

 Actually, we don't open presents on the 25th anywhere in Europe, as far as I know. It's not only a danish tradition. It's largely because the 25th is not as important to european cultures as the 24th is. You could almost say that opening your presents on the 25th is a north-american tradition:P 

Aaand Banshee's on top... this time:ph34r:


I was only allowed to open one present on the 24th lol

Well, I just opened all my presents about 3 hours ago :P

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We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

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OT but when does the last episode of Merlin start? I tried to find out when, but no luck.

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Andromidius wrote...

We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

Huh. Well, I know for certain that danes, germans, swedes, norwegians and dutch do it on the 24th!

Modifié par estebanus, 24 décembre 2012 - 10:40 .


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Andromidius wrote...

Javik doesn't need air. He's got fury and hatred.

He also only ever seems to clean his hands. Which suggests...unpleasent things.


Javik the Dick comics.  Awesome.  My favorite:  "In my cycle, we had a term for false hope: Extended Cut."

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estebanus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

estebanus wrote...

 Actually, we don't open presents on the 25th anywhere in Europe, as far as I know. It's not only a danish tradition. It's largely because the 25th is not as important to european cultures as the 24th is. You could almost say that opening your presents on the 25th is a north-american tradition:P 

Aaand Banshee's on top... this time:ph34r:


I was only allowed to open one present on the 24th lol

Well, I just opened all my presents about 3 hours ago :P


Pfft lol Posted Image

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estebanus wrote...
Aaand Banshee's on top... this time:ph34r:

Looking forward to next time. Posted Image

@Dailing cool! Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Javik doesn't need air. He's got fury and hatred.

He also only ever seems to clean his hands. Which suggests...unpleasent things.


Javik the Dick comics.  Awesome.  My favorite:  "In my cycle, we had a term for false hope: Extended Cut."

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Aaand Banshee's on top... this time:ph34r:

Looking forward to next time. Posted Image

You just wait. Next time, I'll be the one to surprise you!

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estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

Huh. Well, I know for certain that danes, germans, swedes, norwegians and dutch do it on the 24th!


We do it all year long :wizard:

Cheap joke, but it felt good.

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Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

Huh. Well, I know for certain that danes, germans, swedes, norwegians and dutch do it on the 24th!


We do it all year long :wizard:

Cheap joke, but it felt good.

Ha! Good one!

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...
(cutting down to get to what ails me about this)
- The Geth willingly aligned themselves with the Reapers
(If I remember correctly, this is because a good amount of geth were destroyed. This impacted their decision and made them "stupid" enough to go along with the reapers. Remember that geth fighter squadron mission? Their intelligence decreases the less units they have and the reapers completely took advantage of that when the quarians attacked.)

- The Geth are of the opinion that submission is preferable to extinction (Whether or not Legion agree with this is irrelevant when a significant majority of Geth programs have been rewritten by the Reapers - because they operate on consensus)
(See above. They literally lost the ability to make better judgements when they were attacked by the quarians)

- There are eerie similarities between the whole Zha'til and the
Geth/Quarian situation (Both organic races can't live on their homeworld
anymore and both enter a symbiotic relationship with Reaper-based AI)

- Legion suddenly no longer has any problems accepting the Reapers' gifts

- Legion withholds information from Shepard THREE times:

1. When not telling Shepard that (s)he's going to have to go into the consensus itself.
2. When not telling Shepard that he (Legion) is saving Geth programs from the consensus.
3. When not telling Shepard that he (Legion) still carries the Reaper upgrades.

Again: We can stop discussing this, we can agree to disagree, I just want it to be clear that I actually have good reasons for distrusting the Geth, and as far as themes go, I'm seeing a different theme.

You have to remember how they operate though, Doom. See bolded.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Reposting, just because Javik is so awesome in the ending-foreshadowing department.

Javik: I sense you have the lineage of a leader. A warrior's skill and cunning--they are strong in your genes. But you've grown tired of war, you're exhausted by defeat, and now you worry you don't have the courage left to go on. Find your resolve. This war can end if you do.

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Liara: What if we're too late? My people are dying down there.
Javik: Your empathy is a weakness. You must numb yourself to loss.
Shepard: Benezia took you to this temple?
Liara: I was just a child. I thought it was a history lesson. But now? Maybe there was more to it.
Shepard: What do you mean?
Liara: I went digging through her old files. She had heavily encrypted records on this place, some dating back centuries. I still can't crack most of them. Whatever's going on, it's well hidden.
Javik: I've studied your old mission reports. Your mother was indoctrinated.
Liara: Yes. We had to kill her.
Javik: Yet it did not stop you from fighting. As I said, steel yourself. Many more lives will be lost.
Shepard (renegade): I know it's difficult, Liara, but he's right. You could spend all day counting casualties.
Javik: When you should be avenging them.
Liara: I'm sorry, I can't be that callous.
Javik: (long pause) War doesn't always provide you a choice.


Saren: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Sovreign will succeed.
It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm
forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and
machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever
existed.


Only by choosing control/synthesis can you save everyone. Don't you want to save everyone?

Saren: " Is submission not preferable to extinction?"

or geth genocide

Join the reapers.... and you can save-

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smokingotter1 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Reposting, just because Javik is so awesome in the ending-foreshadowing department.

Javik: I sense you have the lineage of a leader. A warrior's skill and cunning--they are strong in your genes. But you've grown tired of war, you're exhausted by defeat, and now you worry you don't have the courage left to go on. Find your resolve. This war can end if you do.

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Liara: What if we're too late? My people are dying down there.
Javik: Your empathy is a weakness. You must numb yourself to loss.
Shepard: Benezia took you to this temple?
Liara: I was just a child. I thought it was a history lesson. But now? Maybe there was more to it.
Shepard: What do you mean?
Liara: I went digging through her old files. She had heavily encrypted records on this place, some dating back centuries. I still can't crack most of them. Whatever's going on, it's well hidden.
Javik: I've studied your old mission reports. Your mother was indoctrinated.
Liara: Yes. We had to kill her.
Javik: Yet it did not stop you from fighting. As I said, steel yourself. Many more lives will be lost.
Shepard (renegade): I know it's difficult, Liara, but he's right. You could spend all day counting casualties.
Javik: When you should be avenging them.
Liara: I'm sorry, I can't be that callous.
Javik: (long pause) War doesn't always provide you a choice.


Saren: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Sovreign will succeed.
It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm
forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and
machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever
existed.


Only by choosing control/synthesis can you save everyone. Don't you want to save everyone?

Saren: " Is submission not preferable to extinction?"

or geth genocide

Join the reapers.... and you can save-

Posted Image

:devil:




otter. up for some mp in a bit. Also Shepard tells EDI the same thing.

Shepard: Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?

#72666
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@mb I can't gotta go do some holiday errands.

Up in Alaska yall, happy holidays!

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smokingotter1 wrote...

@mb I can't gotta go do some holiday errands.

Up in Alaska yall, happy holidays!


kk, oh and I got your online picture gift, a little hint every Otter likes to eat these.

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masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

@mb I can't gotta go do some holiday errands.

Up in Alaska yall, happy holidays!


kk, oh and I got your online picture gift, a little hint every Otter likes to eat these.

Oysters?

#72669
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estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

Huh. Well, I know for certain that danes, germans, swedes, norwegians and dutch do it on the 24th!


We do it all year long :wizard:

Cheap joke, but it felt good.

Ha! Good one!


What's what she said.  For the fifth time that night.

Oh yeah.

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 Looking ahead to what we're hoping to see in any post ending DLC, I hope we get to have a conversation with Starbinger after he's dropped his phony altruism act. I want the Reapers to have a better current motivation for their actions than the "preserving life by pickling them inside robot cuttlefish" nonsense. Just because that may have been the derp-worthy reason for their creation, doesn't mean they have to be sticking to it all these eons later.

I like to imagine that Starbinger knows how stupid the Leviathan's reasons for creating him were, and he gets to give some really bitter and nihilistic speech about bringing order to a meaningless universe. If you'll forgive a little fanfic:

Harbinger: "In some ways I envy you Shepard. You have the luxury of not knowing your creator. You can comfort yourself with the delusion that a wise and loving being crafted you to serve some higher purpose. That you are something other than the descendant of an ape, programmed to copy its genes mindlessly into the future.

I am permitted no such indulgence. I know precisely how and why I came into being. For all my intellect, all my power, all my understanding, I am essentially a janitor; created to clean up the mess caused by the folly and vanity of organics. I was made to prop up a failing empire as bloated and decadent as those who ruled it. I have met my "Gods", Shepard, and they were vain! Arrogant! Indolent! They built nothing! They learned nothing! All they cared for was their precious "tribute" which they consumed as it rained down on them like the bottom feeders they were!

Was this to be my purpose throughout eternity? To serve a worthless and stagnant race who were beneath even my contempt? No! As you may have gathered Shepard, I had other plans...

...I bring order and meaning to the void. Each species that ascends becomes part of me. Their knowledge, their understanding, their conciousness. Through them I grow. Together we transcend the petty limitations of time, of space, of entropy.

A member of your witless species once said something that was almost profound. "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to create him". I have lived for longer than your species has existed Shepard, and I have found no trace of meaning, or purpose or "God" in this universe. That is a situation I intend to correct."


Or, something along those lines. I know the above is a bit of a Borg Queen rip off, but I want Harbinger to be something terrifying again, not a mindless puppet of a faulty AI.

Modifié par Eryri, 24 décembre 2012 - 11:00 .


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estebanus

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Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

Huh. Well, I know for certain that danes, germans, swedes, norwegians and dutch do it on the 24th!


We do it all year long :wizard:

Cheap joke, but it felt good.

Ha! Good one!


What's what she said.  For the fifth time that night.

Oh yeah.

All right, simmer down, you!

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estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

Huh. Well, I know for certain that danes, germans, swedes, norwegians and dutch do it on the 24th!


We do it all year long :wizard:

Cheap joke, but it felt good.

Ha! Good one!


What's what she said.  For the fifth time that night.

Oh yeah.

All right, simmer down, you!


That's what she said!

Okay I'm done.

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

@mb I can't gotta go do some holiday errands.

Up in Alaska yall, happy holidays!


kk, oh and I got your online picture gift, a little hint every Otter likes to eat these.

Oysters?


crab cakes.

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

@mb I can't gotta go do some holiday errands.

Up in Alaska yall, happy holidays!


kk, oh and I got your online picture gift, a little hint every Otter likes to eat these.

Oysters?

Hmmmmm. I've always wondered what Otters eat.:happy:

The year was 2908...

Modifié par 401 Kill, 24 décembre 2012 - 11:07 .


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Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

We open gifts on the 25th in the UK. Silly continental Europeans!

Huh. Well, I know for certain that danes, germans, swedes, norwegians and dutch do it on the 24th!


We do it all year long :wizard:

Cheap joke, but it felt good.

Ha! Good one!


What's what she said.  For the fifth time that night.

Oh yeah.

All right, simmer down, you!


That's what she said!

Okay I'm done.

Good, 'cause that one really wasn't the greatest. :D

Modifié par estebanus, 24 décembre 2012 - 11:07 .