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[BlazingZephyr]

[Mini Vent]

So, I'm playing ME3 for a trilogy runthrough, and all I can think is, "THE DIALOGUE!!!!! Where are the Neutral and Investigate responses?!?!?! WHY is my Renegade Shepard so nice!!!!!????!?!?!?

[/vent]

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 03:51 .

[masster blaster]

So anything new happen guys, and good morning everyone.

[GethPrimeMKII]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

[Mini Vent]

So, I'm playing ME3 for a trilogy runthrough, and all I can think is, "THE DIALOGUE!!!!! Where are the Neutral and Investigate responses?!?!?! WHY is my Renegade Shepard so nice!!!!!????!?!?!?

[/vent]

You think Renegade Shepard is nice??!!

[The Heretic of Time]

Home run MF wrote...

You stated bad writing as a fact because the majority of the fanbase thinks it is (personal biased opinion,even if it is by a group of people, it's not proof of anything).

No I didn't state that.

And we say it's good writing based on other premises you don't want to assume as valid (this thread is full of them, documented and contrasted with in game lore).

Even if the IT is true, it still isn't good writing. The IT might give you a nice new ending by offering a Reset Button through an All Just a Dream retcon, but it won't solve the other issues many people have with the writing of ME3.

The ending isn't the only thing that's bad about the writing of ME3 you know. Many of us have addressed far more issues with ME3's writing that go far beyond the endings.

[MegumiAzusa]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

[Mini Vent]

So, I'm playing ME3 for a trilogy runthrough, and all I can think is, "THE DIALOGUE!!!!! Where are the Neutral and Investigate responses?!?!?! WHY is my Renegade Shepard so nice!!!!!????!?!?!?

[/vent]

You think Renegade Shepard is nice??!!

In ME3 you can pick renegade much more often without being a jackass.

[Sero303]

I wonder how this new Leviathan DLC will factor into current Indoctrination theories? Any thoughts? I took a break from ME3 ( & the bull**** that goes with it ).

[BlazingZephyr]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

[Mini Vent]

So, I'm playing ME3 for a trilogy runthrough, and all I can think is, "THE DIALOGUE!!!!! Where are the Neutral and Investigate responses?!?!?! WHY is my Renegade Shepard so nice!!!!!????!?!?!?

[/vent]

You think Renegade Shepard is nice??!!

In dialogue, not action. Most of what she says in the game is more neutral, and has hardly any aggressive tone. She's almost bipolar, considering the sh*t you can do as ReneShep.

[masster blaster]

protognosis wrote...

Tell me about it.
There is so much Bioware could clear up about Cerberus that would fill in so many story blanks. More information on their motives, leadership, etc would help us understand why they are doing what they are doing. Could just be they want the Biotics to make phantoms, Phoenix adepts, etc. I hope its something more than forced conscription.

Well as I said already, Cerberus has been helping the Reapers, since TIM founded Cerberus.

Think
about it Cerberus was targeting galactic powers, economy, military, colony's,and never attacked the their own kind, unless they had to,
in order to keep believing what they are doing. If you read how the
Illusive Man came to be in the comics. It is clear they don"t need more
info, on why Cerberus are helping the Reapers.

[pseudonymic]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

In dialogue, not action. Most of what she says in the game is more neutral, and has hardly any aggressive tone. She's almost bipolar, considering the sh*t you can do as ReneShep.

renegade shep kind of lost the renegade appeal to me. she went from absurd and sarcastically funny to outright evil.

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

You stated bad writing as a fact because the majority of the fanbase thinks it is (personal biased opinion,even if it is by a group of people, it's not proof of anything).

No I didn't state that.

And we say it's good writing based on other premises you don't want to assume as valid (this thread is full of them, documented and contrasted with in game lore).

Even if the IT is true, it still isn't good writing. The IT might give you a nice new ending by offering a Reset Button through an All Just a Dream retcon, but it won't solve the other issues many people have with the writing of ME3.

The ending isn't the only thing that's bad about the writing of ME3 you know. Many of us have addressed far more issues with ME3's writing that go far beyond the endings.

People were not complaing about all of ME3, until they saw the endings, so what ever they are saying about ME3, other than the endings, is based on their anger twords the endings,Bioware, and EA.

[BlazingZephyr]

Sero303 wrote...

I wonder how this new Leviathan DLC will factor into current Indoctrination theories? Any thoughts? I took a break from ME3 ( & the bull**** that goes with it ).

I've been theorizing that Leviathan will give you a sort of Reaper cipher that may translate what Harbinger says before beaming you (assuming that part is still reality).

I'm also hoping that he will try to influence Shepard with indoctrination to make the ending attempt more obvious.

[StElmo]

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???

[Home run MF]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

You stated bad writing as a fact because the majority of the fanbase thinks it is (personal biased opinion,even if it is by a group of people, it's not proof of anything).

No I didn't state that.

And we say it's good writing based on other premises you don't want to assume as valid (this thread is full of them, documented and contrasted with in game lore).

Even if the IT is true, it still isn't good writing. The IT might give you a nice new ending by offering a Reset Button through an All Just a Dream retcon, but it won't solve the other issues many people have with the writing of ME3.

The ending isn't the only thing that's bad about the writing of ME3 you know. Many of us have addressed far more issues with ME3's writing that go far beyond the endings.

You know what? I'm gonna ignore you from now on.
I enjoyed the game, I had fun and the ending blow me away. (A feeling you certainly will never feel)
If you want to keep stuck in your point, good for you.

Edit: And fyi I don't need or want an IT DLC, I know what I saw and played ME enough times to know what was happening. Good day

Modifié par Home run MF, 08 août 2012 - 04:06 .

[BlazingZephyr]

masster blaster wrote...

People were not complaing about all of ME3, until they saw the endings, so what ever they are saying about ME3, other than the endings, is based on their anger twords the endings,Bioware, and EA.

Imma have to disagree with you there (mostly). The ME3 story itselff has so many inconsistencies without the endings, that I'm sure they would easily be noticed without the ending. In fact, the endings pretty much steal the spotlight from the inconsistent story: If not for the endings, the game would probably face a lot more story-directed criticism.

[The Heretic of Time]

Home run MF wrote...

You know what? I'm gonna ignore you from now on.

Fine.

I enjoyed the game, I had fun and the ending blow me away. (A feeling you certainly will never feel)

Ohh but I do know that feeling, I certainly do know that feeling. I did feel that feeling when I saw the ending of The Witcher 2. It blew me away so hard you can't even imagine. ME3's plot and ending are a joke in comparison.

If you want to keep stuck in your point, good for you.

Also too seem to be perfectly happy to keep stuck in your point, so maybe it is indeed best to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Rosewind]

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???

Shepard's under garments *Wink* and my brainwashing monocles .... I mean what brainwashing they just ordinary monocles ...

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

You stated bad writing as a fact because the majority of the fanbase thinks it is (personal biased opinion,even if it is by a group of people, it's not proof of anything).

No I didn't state that.

And we say it's good writing based on other premises you don't want to assume as valid (this thread is full of them, documented and contrasted with in game lore).

Even if the IT is true, it still isn't good writing. The IT might give you a nice new ending by offering a Reset Button through an All Just a Dream retcon, but it won't solve the other issues many people have with the writing of ME3.

The ending isn't the only thing that's bad about the writing of ME3 you know. Many of us have addressed far more issues with ME3's writing that go far beyond the endings.

People were not complaing about all of ME3, until they saw the endings, so what ever they are saying about ME3, other than the endings, is based on their anger twords the endings,Bioware, and EA.

Hahaha! You must me new to BSN.

My friend, people were already complaning about the crappy plot of ME3 before the game was even released!

Remember the leaked scripts? No? Well, as soon as the script of ME3 leaked on the internet and people started to read it, the sh*tstorm already started, and that was in November 2011! The leaked script already made it obvious that we shouldn't get our hopes up for the ME3 plot.

Listen to your pall BlazingZephyr, he's right.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 août 2012 - 04:08 .

[BlazingZephyr]

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???

We "have hope, more than you know."

[masster blaster]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

People were not complaing about all of ME3, until they saw the endings, so what ever they are saying about ME3, other than the endings, is based on their anger twords the endings,Bioware, and EA.

Imma have to disagree with you there (mostly). The ME3 story itselff has so many inconsistencies without the endings, that I'm sure they would easily be noticed without the ending. In fact, the endings pretty much steal the spotlight from the inconsistent story: If not for the endings, the game would probably face a lot more story-directed criticism.

I get it, but people were going to die any ways because it a war. You can't have everyone live, and hope that the galaxy can just rally to Shepard. Mostly it"s because we can"t pick the squad mates we want back on the Shepard"s team, but I am okay with the squad mates I have.

And yes the lack of converstaions with our squad, but there is not much to say because they have nothing to talk about anymore. We have their loyalty, and we had the chance to get to know them for about 1 year. Since Shepard was dead for 2 years.

And this is a war. You can"t expect for everything to be perfect at all.

Granted that Kai Leng, the Catalyst, and the Crucible are stupid, but that's all I see that is um bad on Bioware.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 04:20 .

[BlazingZephyr]

masster blaster wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

People were not complaing about all of ME3, until they saw the endings, so what ever they are saying about ME3, other than the endings, is based on their anger twords the endings,Bioware, and EA.

Imma have to disagree with you there (mostly). The ME3 story itselff has so many inconsistencies without the endings, that I'm sure they would easily be noticed without the ending. In fact, the endings pretty much steal the spotlight from the inconsistent story: If not for the endings, the game would probably face a lot more story-directed criticism.

I get it, but people were going to die any ways because it a war. You can"t have everyone live, and hope that the galaxy can just rally to Shepard. Mostly it"s because we can"t pick the squad mates we want back on the Shepard"s team, but I am okay with the squad mates I have.

I... Uhm... Where did you...? Never mind.

[AxStapleton]

masster blaster wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

People were not complaing about all of ME3, until they saw the endings, so what ever they are saying about ME3, other than the endings, is based on their anger twords the endings,Bioware, and EA.

Imma have to disagree with you there (mostly). The ME3 story itselff has so many inconsistencies without the endings, that I'm sure they would easily be noticed without the ending. In fact, the endings pretty much steal the spotlight from the inconsistent story: If not for the endings, the game would probably face a lot more story-directed criticism.

I get it, but people were going to die any ways because it a war. You can"t have everyone live, and hope that the galaxy can just rally to Shepard. Mostly it"s because we can"t pick the squad mates we want back on the Shepard"s team, but I am okay with the squad mates I have.

I will say that the plot to ME3 did have its fair share of inconsistencies that IT just simply cannot account for.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 08 août 2012 - 04:14 .

[smokingotter1]

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???

Morning yall. Still waiting for DLC to take into account IT.

ME4 will not nullify ME3, the ending is in ME3.

I doubt there will be post-ending DLC. If you want to know what's happening at the end of ME3 watch the film "Momento"

[Home run MF]

masster blaster wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Tell me about it.
There is so much Bioware could clear up about Cerberus that would fill in so many story blanks. More information on their motives, leadership, etc would help us understand why they are doing what they are doing. Could just be they want the Biotics to make phantoms, Phoenix adepts, etc. I hope its something more than forced conscription.

Well as I said already, Cerberus has been helping the Reapers, since TIM founded Cerberus.

Think
about it Cerberus was targeting galactic powers, economy, military, colony's,and never attacked the their own kind, unless they had to,
in order to keep believing what they are doing. If you read how the
Illusive Man came to be in the comics. It is clear they don"t need more
info, on why Cerberus are helping the Reapers.

What happened to the Crucible in your time? Why didn't the Protheans deploy it?
We were sabotaged from within. A splinter group argued we should dominate the Reapers rather than destroy them.
It fractured our order of battle. Later, we discovered the separatists were indoctrinated. 

What else does people need? In my country we have a saying white and bottled?

Modifié par Home run MF, 08 août 2012 - 04:17 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???

Because to us we are not grasping at straws. We had played through and ending that made us angry, but above all which made us confused. It left questions, questions far too deep running to brush of with lazy writing.

So we dug into the game and started piercing together the strange stuff, the kid, the dreams, the ending and slowly a picture started to take form, a possibility buried in the data.

And as more people joined the idea we dug through every part of the games finding what could support us, checking might disprove our idea and now standing here we truly feel we have a strong case.

I dont mind if people dont share our views, but I do mind it when people complain (not saying you are) about us trying to make sense of a ending universally seen as bad. We pierced together a theory that makes the ending not only tolerable, but a masterpiece and everything surppoting it comes from the games and the developers, it is not simply fan fiction.

I hope you have checked out some of the things linked on the first page as they cover alot of the things which make this theory so clear to us.

[BlazingZephyr]

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Tell me about it.
There is so much Bioware could clear up about Cerberus that would fill in so many story blanks. More information on their motives, leadership, etc would help us understand why they are doing what they are doing. Could just be they want the Biotics to make phantoms, Phoenix adepts, etc. I hope its something more than forced conscription.

Well as I said already, Cerberus has been helping the Reapers, since TIM founded Cerberus.

Think
about it Cerberus was targeting galactic powers, economy, military, colony's,and never attacked the their own kind, unless they had to,
in order to keep believing what they are doing. If you read how the
Illusive Man came to be in the comics. It is clear they don"t need more
info, on why Cerberus are helping the Reapers.

What happened to the Crucible in your time? Why didn't the Protheans deploy it?
We were sabotaged from within. A splinter group argued we should dominate the Reapers rather than destroy them.
It fractured our order of battle. Later, we discovered the separatists were indoctrinated. 

What else does people need? In my country we have a saying white and bottled?

Except that that is REALLY bad story writing.

"Mean justify ends" Pro-human group --> Fight humanity to control Reapers.

Why? "Because indoctrination." They never even explain how or when he was indoctrinated: He was not in prolonged contact with the artifact that changed his eyes, he rebuilt Shepard to fight the Collecters, and he is smart enough to avoid Reaper tech.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 04:24 .