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[Eryri]

I think like everyone else it depends on value for money. If the IT reveal is a seriously good, substantial piece of content that adds say, 5 to 10 hours to the end of the game, I think it will win people over. Particularly if people get to see their war assets in action. People can't really complain if the content is so enjoyable they would have bought it anyway. The most passionate synthesis fans may still be annoyed though...

Edit: I just read that back to myself, and noticed that I actually wrote "People can't really complain..." Then I remembered that this is the BSN.  If any group of people can find a way...

Slightly off-topic, but I just watched an old episode of Star Trek Voyager, where Seven of Nine was the only crew member awake on the ship, due to everyone else being in stasis to survive some dangerous radiation field.

She was going mad from isolation and radiation poisoning and suffering hallucinations, including the ship being transformed into a Borg vessel. 

Guess what colour the lighting turned. It was the exact same sickly shade too.

Bioware must know what kind of people like Mass Effect. They must be aware that Star Trek would be a very common cultural reference point, and many of us would subconciously associate that sickly shade of green with cybernetic abominations.

Modifié par Eryri, 26 décembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Eryri]

Returning to my points about colour in the post above, I think an argument can be made that we are meant to distrust Synthesis because of our negative associations with that particular shade of luminescent green in popular culture. This argument isn't as strong as the in-game lore based arguments, but I think there might be something to it.

Mass Effect doesn't exist in a cultural vacuum - indeed it pays homage lots of other sci-fi series. That's actually part of its charm for me. Bioware is perfectly aware of its target demographic and know that in the kind of fiction we like, luminous green is almost always associated with evil.

We have the Borg from Star Trek:


The Matrix:


Minas Morgul from LotR:


Other more obscure examples include the Stephen Kings "The Tommyknockers" where the aliens were depicted with green eyes in the miniseries and, I believe, in the original novel. Even Unicron in the original, animated Transformers movie from the 80s had green eyes.

If they were going for a "third way" in between blue Control and red Destroy, why not mix them to make purple magic for synthesis? Why pick such a revolting colour, associated with evil and sickness in the minds of its target demographic?

[demersel]

Ho-ho-ho! Merry Cristmas! Also, happy birthday to me! What is new quys? I saw commadShpe80 saying something about the comm room - i have a lot of things to say on the subject!

[estebanus]

magnetite wrote...

If the MP guys don't care about the story, is it safe to say those guys are generic FPS gamers?

Just because a person doesn't give a crap about ME3's story anymore (which I can perfectly understand) certainly doesn't mean that he's some generic FPS gamer.

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

Ho-ho-ho! Merry Cristmas! Also, happy birthday to me! What is new quys? I saw commadShpe80 saying something about the comm room - i have a lot of things to say on the subject!

Happy Birthday Dem! Many happy returns.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I think the whole war room / main menu screen deal means nothing.

Some of the alliance shirts clearly have white stripes on the sides.

There may be some differences to the room itself, but I think it's simply because it's from an early version of the game.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 décembre 2012 - 12:47 .

[dorktainian]

wasnt there an early version of the game which involved shep and anderson being chased by husks across the harbour and someone sniper firing to protect them? if i remember they might have been in cerberus uniforms... cant remember - twas a long tme ago.

as far as an ending DLC... i can understand why people might think its a good idea to pay for one. everyone wants the good ending. however it might send the wrong signals - that we are prepared to put up with rubbish - only later to have to pay for a decent ending. hey i payed for a game. now if it had been advertised as incomplete - or the reviewers had done us justice, then i might not have bought it. when i pay for a product i pay for a product. If i wanted something incomplete i'd still be playing WOW. oh and btw WOW is a hell of a lot more polished than ME3.

As far as IT is concerned, as i've said before, i think IT is something - part of a bigger picture. IT alone wont answer all the problems. We need moar.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I'll just cite the Batarian preacher:

"Maintain, my brothers and sisters. We have faced adversity and overcome. This is but a test. Remember the pillars of strength that hold the people high. Show the galaxy our resolve. I know that your faith is weak, our government has fallen. But if you hold the pillars of strength in your hearts, please... just don't give up."

(Pillars of Strength = ME1&2)

[Eryri]

dorktainian wrote...

as far as an ending DLC... i can understand why people might think its a good idea to pay for one. everyone wants the good ending. however it might send the wrong signals - that we are prepared to put up with rubbish - only later to have to pay for a decent ending. hey i payed for a game. now if it had been advertised as incomplete - or the reviewers had done us justice, then i might not have bought it. when i pay for a product i pay for a product. If i wanted something incomplete i'd still be playing WOW. oh and btw WOW is a hell of a lot more polished than ME3. 

 

I can understand those reservations. ME3 was the only game I ever pre-ordered and bought full price. I usually wait until they're half price or less. I'll pay for a good quality IT reveal in this case, because that will take time and effort to produce, and I'm too invested in ME to back out now.

But even if they create some insanely enjoyable post breath scene DLC that redeems ME3 completely (which I'd be absolutely delighted with), I'll never make the mistake of pre-ordering again. I'll wait until a game's dlc cycle is complete, and reviewed by fans, before I buy it on sale.

I would hope EA have learned lessons from this. It's laudible to experiment with new methods of storytelling and "real life indoctrination". But you still have to provide a complete and satisfying product, particularly to the most loyal fans who pay full price on release.

Modifié par Eryri, 26 décembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[demersel]

dorktainian wrote...

wasnt there an early version of the game which involved shep and anderson being chased by husks across the harbour and someone sniper firing to protect them? if i remember they might have been in cerberus uniforms... cant remember - twas a long tme ago.

as far as an ending DLC... i can understand why people might think its a good idea to pay for one. everyone wants the good ending. however it might send the wrong signals - that we are prepared to put up with rubbish - only later to have to pay for a decent ending. hey i payed for a game. now if it had been advertised as incomplete - or the reviewers had done us justice, then i might not have bought it. when i pay for a product i pay for a product. If i wanted something incomplete i'd still be playing WOW. oh and btw WOW is a hell of a lot more polished than ME3.

As far as IT is concerned, as i've said before, i think IT is something - part of a bigger picture. IT alone wont answer all the problems. We need moar.

Look. i agree with everything you say. 

Except there is another point of view - the IT is the ending. And a great one at that - everything else - is additional content. It odes not matter to the story, it doesn't bring anything new.

It is exaclty like defeating the collectors and then fighting the shadow broker or going to see abject Rho - it is not part of that particular story - it is not vital for it.

ME3 - is a story about Shepard. about his struggle. It is a story about how he, one particular man beat the reapers, or succombed to them. He is the battlefield. ME3 is all about HIM. If he menages to purge the reapers from his head - he had already accoumplished his greatest and toughest victory - it doesn't get any batter that that - all that is left then - is to fight the war - which he is great at, Shepard is relentless and will never stop, until he succedes. Sure it will be nice to have a boss battle with harbinger where you can shoot him in his very core and soul (oh wait... didn't we just do exactly that in the ending by, picking destroy?).
The point is - the reapers are already dead - they just don't know it yet.  After Shepard beats off indoctrination - they are just big stupid cuttlefishes with deadly lasers and good barriers. They are not scary anymore, They are not mysterious anymore. If Shepard beats off indoctrination - he proves that it can be done. Then instead of irreversible process that will succed sooner or later, with no hope of overcoming it or reversing it or curing it - it becomes just a bad dream that can be waved off by a simple "FUСК IT!". 

[demersel]

Have you guys seen the Doctor Who Cristmas special? The Snowmen?

"Truth is singular. Lies are words, words, words." ))))

[Andromidius]

I made the mistake of going outside this thread.

I was criticised for numbering my problems with ME2, because I only had four major problems with it.

Seriously. Wow.

[demersel]

Andromidis - I can relate. But really I have been surprised by coming back to ME2 after ME3. It is almost unplayable for me now.

[Andromidius]

Once you get used to it (the first two missions help a lot to ease you in) its not so bad. But I mostly love it for the dialogue and openness.

That being said, if they ever make a remastered trilogy, I'll buy it. As in, revamp all the combat from ME1 and ME2, fix all the bugs, add all the DLC seemlessly, add a few little extras... Basically make it feel like one huge game.

[demersel]

WOW guys! Quick everyone watch the Doctor Who Cristmas Episode - The Snowman - that is exactly what the Mass Effect and the Reapers are! Even the possession mechanic is there! Even the voice filters!!!

Modifié par demersel, 26 décembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[estebanus]

 A little unrelated, but this StElmo guy is freaking naive. Just check out the thread I've been in for the last hour and you'll see.

[StElmo]

estebanus wrote...

 A little unrelated, but this StElmo guy is freaking naive. Just check out the thread I've been in for the last hour and you'll see.

Am I?

Sorry, I think I just let emotion get in the way of a rational discussion. My bad.

I should really not have a go at the military people who join the front lines, I actually have their interests at heart when I get sad howthe government uses the military.

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

WOW guys! Quick everyone watch the Doctor Who Cristmas Episode - The Snowman - that is exactly what the Mass Effect and the Reapers are! Even the possession mechanic is there! Even the voice filters!!!

I did notice that the Big Bad of that episode was called "The Intelligence". Maybe Stephen Moffat has played Leviathan?

Also, how fantastic is Ian McKellen as a voice actor? Brings a touch of class to everything he does.

[estebanus]

StElmo wrote...

estebanus wrote...

 A little unrelated, but this StElmo guy is freaking naive. Just check out the thread I've been in for the last hour and you'll see.

Am I?

Sorry, I think I just let emotion get in the way of a rational discussion. My bad.

I should really not have a go at the military people who join the front lines, I actually have their interests at heart when I get sad howthe government uses the military.

You already apologized. And so will I. I'm sorry to have called you naive. Now lets just forget about it, ok?

[CmdrShep80]

Wowky wrote...

Okay so I guess my main question I have first about IT is what is everyone expecting/hoping for with it? Are you waiting for some form of confirmation from Bioware in a big reveal DLC or would you be happy with it forever remaining one of several interpretations of the game?

for myself I prefer both actually. If they preserve the mystery I won't mind it'll just mean more fun stuff to speculate about with everyone in ME4. If they do share then we can go so the IT'ers were right. After all and continue speculating along

though I think with Omega costing so much that will probably offset the cost of the last dlc so more people can pick it up. I would be surprised if it was free of charge cause of Omega's dlc cost

[demersel]

Eryri wrote...

demersel wrote...

WOW guys! Quick everyone watch the Doctor Who Cristmas Episode - The Snowman - that is exactly what the Mass Effect and the Reapers are! Even the possession mechanic is there! Even the voice filters!!!

I did notice that the Big Bad of that episode was called "The Intelligence". Maybe Stephen Moffat has played Leviathan?

Also, how fantastic is Ian McKellen as a voice actor? Brings a touch of class to everything he does.

Did you notice how it also only gets to be alive, because someone thinks and dreams about it? And how it only mirrors? "Your memories give voice to our words?" )) And how when you epty the host it than can fill the void and assume direct control? Exactly like it happened with Saren? the reapers are constant nighmare factory, right? What if they are only made alive by those who belive in them? Like saren, or Shepard? The reapers - are word conjured by the protheans to give name to their destruction! 

Did you notice how it was something small and insignificant in that episode? A mental parasite - that is only given purpose and form by those who it attaches to? 

Did you notice how it was the child's voice all along? 

That made me think - who did the voice acting for sovereign? 

Modifié par demersel, 26 décembre 2012 - 03:21 .

[Andromidius]

demersel wrote...
That made me think - who did the voice acting for sovereign? 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Peter_Jessop

[demersel]

Ok, who's Lorik Qui'in?

[Xilizhra]

Mass Effect doesn't exist in a cultural vacuum - indeed it pays homage lots of other sci-fi series. That's actually part of its charm for me. Bioware is perfectly aware of its target demographic and know that in the kind of fiction we like, luminous green is almost always associated with evil.

Which is regrettable, because I love luminous green and consider it beautiful. Though blue light isn't bad either.

I also honestly and truly wonder what'll happen here if IT DLC never materializes.