Ce sujet est ferméBecause even Synthesis has foreshadowing. There is just nothing that suggests indoctrination is more likely then literal. We also don't know of any precedence of someone who had similar symptoms to what you see at the end. It could be true, but as we can't know we pick the theory that is happier.CoolioThane wrote...
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What does it matter if people like me make no sense to you? Just respect our opinion.CoolioThane wrote...
Golly. IT must be false because more people don't believe in it (whether or not that be due to lack of knowledge about it, or to an ignorance and love of whining/complaining about anything).
Those open to it but still choose to believe literal make no sense to me. Literally I'm at a loss for words.
That kind of thinking alienates people otherwise open to it. Simply because they're open-minded but choose not to believe in it doesn't mean that somethings wrong with them, and telling them that they make no sense will not help in the least.
As a matter of fact, believing that people muast either believe in the IT or be against it is rather close-minded.
Oh, no. I do respect your opinion, just can't understand it myself. I'm not trying to say you're either for or against; just trying to say I understand people who hate the IT, and those who do not know about the IT, but I can't get those in the middle. I'm not being rude, I'm just unable to understand why! Not having a go; on the contrary, I'm interested to know!
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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#73426
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:14
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#73427
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:17
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The theory that is "happier" - I don't see how literal is happy in any way.
Destroy - Geth/EDI die
Control - Third Reich Dictatorship
Synthesis - Genetic rape
Refuse - Death to everyone
IT - Noone dead yet
Destroy - Geth/EDI die
Control - Third Reich Dictatorship
Synthesis - Genetic rape
Refuse - Death to everyone
IT - Noone dead yet
#73428
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:19
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IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
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MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole beam run scene just screams limited resources, especially with the EC, that you could just handwave all inconsistencies away.
By limited resources, I'm assuming the budget for this game is decided before the game actually begins production. Not many places plan budgets as needed. I mean if someone's trying to make a bridge, they plan the budget and how much money they'll need before they make the bridge.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:22
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MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
Which is why IT is depressing...
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:27
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OperatingWookie wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
Which is why IT is depressing...
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:33
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That's why there would be no feeling of having achieved something if the outcome is much worse then what we had at first. There is absolutely no glimmer of hope, at the beginning we at least had Shepard and her ability to make the impossible possible. That's quite a difference.demersel wrote...
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.OperatingWookie wrote...
Which is why IT is depressing...MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:36
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MegumiAzusa wrote...
That's why there would be no feeling of having achieved something if the outcome is much worse then what we had at first. There is absolutely no glimmer of hope, at the beginning we at least had Shepard and her ability to make the impossible possible. That's quite a difference.demersel wrote...
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.OperatingWookie wrote...
Which is why IT is depressing...MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
You realize that not every version of IT says the Crucible is a trap, right? We still havent used it in IT. Once we wake up, theres nothing stopping us from doing so.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:36
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MegumiAzusa wrote...
That's why there would be no feeling of having achieved something if the outcome is much worse then what we had at first. There is absolutely no glimmer of hope, at the beginning we at least had Shepard and her ability to make the impossible possible. That's quite a difference.demersel wrote...
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.OperatingWookie wrote...
Which is why IT is depressing...MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
Are you stupid? It cannot be worse that what you had in the very beginning, because you had nothing in the very beginning. The secured survival IS the miracle that is provided by Shepard and his ability to tmake the impossible possible.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:37
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Oh GDI. Xil has infected this thread again? FML.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:38
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Rifneno wrote...
Oh GDI. Xil has infected this thread again? FML.
Global Defence Initiative?
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:39
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demersel wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Oh GDI. Xil has infected this thread again? FML.
Global Defence Initiative?
Goddamnit.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:42
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Rifneno wrote...
demersel wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Oh GDI. Xil has infected this thread again? FML.
Global Defence Initiative?
Goddamnit.
.... Eric?
#73439
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:49
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It doesn't matter if you survive for a few more days or not. You've lost the war. Fission mailed.demersel wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
Which is why IT is depressing...
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.
#73440
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:51
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estebanus wrote...
It doesn't matter if you survive for a few more days or not. You've lost the war. Fission mailed.demersel wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
Which is why IT is depressing...
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.
Conditions for failure of war with Reapers: Everyone dead.
#73441
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:51
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2938 pages/posts - are we anywhere closer to a final answer?
#73442
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:53
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bip78 wrote...
2938 pages/posts - are we anywhere closer to a final answer?
The final answer can only be given by BW.
#73443
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:53
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I'm not talking about any trap. I'm talking about Sheps inability to go up to the Citadel. If Shep lies in the London rubble how is she supposed to reach the beam? Harbinger should still be there (at least that's one thing said over and over as pro IT that Harby wouldn't just leave), and there should be a huge amount of Reaper troops, and Shep has to find and get to the controls to open the arms. How is that more plausible then what we got?byne wrote...
You realize that not every version of IT says the Crucible is a trap, right? We still havent used it in IT. Once we wake up, theres nothing stopping us from doing so.MegumiAzusa wrote...
That's why there would be no feeling of having achieved something if the outcome is much worse then what we had at first. There is absolutely no glimmer of hope, at the beginning we at least had Shepard and her ability to make the impossible possible. That's quite a difference.demersel wrote...
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.OperatingWookie wrote...
Which is why IT is depressing...MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
The only form of IT that would not completely destroy hope would be if Shep was already on the Citadel and opened the arms and the Crucible fired and the Guardian is the last try to subvert Shep and break her before they get blown to hell.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 07:58
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The protheans had already lost when the war started. It was essentially just a hunt for the reapers by then.Rifneno wrote...
estebanus wrote...
It doesn't matter if you survive for a few more days or not. You've lost the war. Fission mailed.demersel wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
IT - at least 50% of the fleet is already dead for a failed plan and the protagonist dead or incapacitated without managing to do anything.
Which is why IT is depressing...
You've already lost. The only thing that may be secured is survival.
Which is exactly the first thing you and everyone is told BY Shepard in the very beginning of the game.
Conditions for failure of war with Reapers: Everyone dead.
If the battle of Earth is lost, the crucible turns out to be a trap, then life is ddoomed. The largest fleet ever assembled would be broken. The remains wouldn't even prove to be much of a challenge for the reapers. It'd be a huge clean up.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 08:00
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estebanus wrote...
If the battle of Earth is lost, the crucible turns out to be a trap, then life is ddoomed. The largest fleet ever assembled would be broken. The remains wouldn't even prove to be much of a challenge for the reapers. It'd be a huge clean up.
Exactly. We destroy them, or they destroy us. It is All in. You can't fight when you're dead. In control synthesis and refuse - you are dead.
#73446
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 08:01
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estebanus wrote...
The protheans had already lost when the war started. It was essentially just a hunt for the reapers by then.
If the battle of Earth is lost, the crucible turns out to be a trap, then life is ddoomed. The largest fleet ever assembled would be broken. The remains wouldn't even prove to be much of a challenge for the reapers. It'd be a huge clean up.
Because this isn't fiction, and miracle comebacks never happen.
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 08:01
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You're chatting bollocks, Meg. You're writing heroism off as "unrealistic". We've already killed Reapers, huge amounts of troops and survived SUICIDE MISSIONS as Shepard. Shep is our character, and is expected to perform the impossible with us controlling him/her. There will be a way to reach the Crucible if the hallucination starts at the beam/before.
It doesn't destroy hope at all; you just seem dead set against the IT now. Typical pessimism. Christ
It doesn't destroy hope at all; you just seem dead set against the IT now. Typical pessimism. Christ
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Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 08:02
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No, I'm not talking fiction. I'm talking conventional logic. If you're going to invoke fiction, I might as well say that space magic can happen.Rifneno wrote...
estebanus wrote...
The protheans had already lost when the war started. It was essentially just a hunt for the reapers by then.
If the battle of Earth is lost, the crucible turns out to be a trap, then life is ddoomed. The largest fleet ever assembled would be broken. The remains wouldn't even prove to be much of a challenge for the reapers. It'd be a huge clean up.
Because this isn't fiction, and miracle comebacks never happen.
#73449
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 08:04
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estebanus wrote...
No, I'm not talking fiction. I'm talking conventional logic. If you're going to invoke fiction, I might as well say that space magic can happen.Rifneno wrote...
estebanus wrote...
The protheans had already lost when the war started. It was essentially just a hunt for the reapers by then.
If the battle of Earth is lost, the crucible turns out to be a trap, then life is ddoomed. The largest fleet ever assembled would be broken. The remains wouldn't even prove to be much of a challenge for the reapers. It'd be a huge clean up.
Because this isn't fiction, and miracle comebacks never happen.
You do both of those things at once. It seems that you are confused.
#73450
Posté 26 décembre 2012 - 08:05
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Nope, Shep made all that happening in top physical condition. I'm just saying IT is at least as much a leap of faith as literal.CoolioThane wrote...
You're chatting bollocks, Meg. You're writing heroism off as "unrealistic". We've already killed Reapers, huge amounts of troops and survived SUICIDE MISSIONS as Shepard. Shep is our character, and is expected to perform the impossible with us controlling him/her. There will be a way to reach the Crucible if the hallucination starts at the beam/before.
It doesn't destroy hope at all; you just seem dead set against the IT now. Typical pessimism. Christ
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