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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???


Because to us we are not grasping at straws. We had played through and ending that made us angry, but above all which made us confused. It left questions, questions far too deep running to brush of with lazy writing.

So we dug into the game and started piercing together the strange stuff, the kid, the dreams, the ending and slowly a picture started to take form, a possibility buried in the data.

And as more people joined the idea we dug through every part of the games finding what could support us, checking might disprove our idea and now standing here we truly feel we have a strong case.

I dont mind if people dont share our views, but I do mind it when people complain (not saying you are) about us trying to make sense of a ending universally seen as bad. We pierced together a theory that makes the ending not only tolerable, but a masterpiece and everything surppoting it comes from the games and the developers, it is not simply fan fiction.

I hope you have checked out some of the things linked on the first page as they cover alot of the things which make this theory so clear to us.


I love IT, dude, I'd still love for it to be true. But I just don't give a rats crap until I see something that is made by BioWare that confirms it, be it a cutscene that has shepard waking up and killing harbinger with a rocket launcher and saving the galaxy, or a whole new Ending DLC, or ME4. I want to SEEEEEEEEE the end, not speculate it.

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Oh crap you now what the saying good bye scene reminds me of. When the Sr1 Normandy is being attacked by the Collectors Shepard has to keep telling Ash,Liara,and Kadin to get off the ship.

And if we look at the beam run, it's like everything is happening all over again.

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StElmo wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???


Morning yall. Still waiting for DLC to take into account IT.

ME4 will not nullify ME3, the ending is in ME3.

I doubt there will be post-ending DLC. If you want to know what's happening at the end of ME3 watch the film "Momento"


huh? So its all just speculation? well thats dull. Who cares if it's a fan theory, whatever. The difference between Memento and ME3 is Memento is a god damn single, encapsulated narrative.

ME3 was supposed to be a definitive bloody ending. So bloody hell I want a damn conclusion that makes freaking sense.


I understand. It was a gamble and I would say it backfired which is why they did the EC. I think they wanted to keep the ending a cliffhanger to increase the appeal of the dlc which would fill in the holes. Turns out twist or not fans don't like that game model.

Like Icarus flying towards the sun Bioware tried something no other game developer did and underestimated the backlash that would ensue. To compound the problem it's my belief that Casey and Mac are keeping a lot of the key players at Bioware in the dark about IT.

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masster blaster wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

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blog.bioware.com/2012/08/08/operation-olympus/

"Increased Reaper activity has been reported around London. Operation OLYMPUS will focus large-scale strikes on the Reapers to buy the Resistance time to investigate...."

Arian/TSA +1


Cool we are the team that never comes back/ report back to Anderson. And Yes everything is going acourding to plan.:lol::devil:


Now is a good time to bring up again the real reason that the Reapers chose London was to crush Humanity in their own Olympics. Go gold or go home.
(LOOK AT THAT NAME. LOOK AT IT.)


Well it"s intresting that the operation has to be in london and no were else. Um didn't Anderson report to Shepard about there is something big going down in London, and the resistance his heading ro London to find out what is happening?

Oh wait he did.:D


Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer in time to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

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smokingotter1 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???


Morning yall. Still waiting for DLC to take into account IT.

ME4 will not nullify ME3, the ending is in ME3.

I doubt there will be post-ending DLC. If you want to know what's happening at the end of ME3 watch the film "Momento"


huh? So its all just speculation? well thats dull. Who cares if it's a fan theory, whatever. The difference between Memento and ME3 is Memento is a god damn single, encapsulated narrative.

ME3 was supposed to be a definitive bloody ending. So bloody hell I want a damn conclusion that makes freaking sense.


I understand. It was a gamble and I would say it backfired which is why they did the EC. I think they wanted to keep the ending a cliffhanger to increase the appeal of the dlc which would fill in the holes. Turns out twist or not fans don't like that game model.

Like Icarus flying towards the sun Bioware tried something no other game developer did and underestimated the backlash that would ensue. To compound the problem it's my belief that Casey and Mac are keeping a lot of the key players at Bioware in the dark about IT.


FINE, if that's what they are doing (planning IT), but tell your development team for god sake and let them hint about it. Otherwise they just look gormless denying everything.

I want results. I don't even care about paying for extra DLC, it's my favorite series.

It's not about the money, it's about sending a message.

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Home run MF wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

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Except that that is REALLY bad story writing. 

"Mean justify ends" Pro-human group --> Fight humanity to control Reapers.

Why? "Because indoctrination."


You are missing the point, they do not fight humanity to control Reapers, they fight humanity because the Reapers tell them to. Divide & Conquer? They have us fighting each other? Sound familiar?

Sometimes I wonder if I played the same game as everyone else.


*sigh* Okay, let me say this a different way. From a writer's perspective, they essentially took an interesting group, with a lot of mystery behind it, and its equally mysterious leader, and twisted them into the main bad guys of the Reaper conflict. They are now represented by a cyborg ninja with obvious confusion over his native culture and an instant win button. Cerberus is apparently now an "Idea". What idea? Who knows?

I'm really not trying to argue with people, but so much of this game bugs me. My support of IT is largely based on hope, rather than sureness of BioWare's genius.


Fist of all I'm not arguing with you, we are exchanging opinions (sorry if I sounded a little blunt)

Let me put it this way.
Vendetta says the splinter group trying (or thinking they were) to control the Reapers happened in their cycle too, and that they were indoctrinated.
The Illusive Man touches a Reaper artifact and all of a sudden growns the need of founding a secret splinter group.
When the Reapers are close and their previous agents failed (Saren) they use another one, TIM, to instigate another front for the organics to fight. (divide & conquer)
Oh, big surprise when this cycle splinter group sabotages the crucible deployment like the Porthean one did.




No, I was just stating that I might sound blunt without meaning to. No issues with other people.;)

My point is that things feel poorly explained and put together . You HAVE to read other media to get what the hell is going on with stuff in ME3. With only the games, nobody knows who Jack Harper is, or what he did. Sure, you can blame the Eye-glowy artifact, but his exposure was minimal.

It feels like ME3 just needs a huge other-than-endings clarity overhaul. Anyway, I'm kinda sick of talking about Cerberus, so... yeah.

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StElmo wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???


Because to us we are not grasping at straws. We had played through and ending that made us angry, but above all which made us confused. It left questions, questions far too deep running to brush of with lazy writing.

So we dug into the game and started piercing together the strange stuff, the kid, the dreams, the ending and slowly a picture started to take form, a possibility buried in the data.

And as more people joined the idea we dug through every part of the games finding what could support us, checking might disprove our idea and now standing here we truly feel we have a strong case.

I dont mind if people dont share our views, but I do mind it when people complain (not saying you are) about us trying to make sense of a ending universally seen as bad. We pierced together a theory that makes the ending not only tolerable, but a masterpiece and everything surppoting it comes from the games and the developers, it is not simply fan fiction.

I hope you have checked out some of the things linked on the first page as they cover alot of the things which make this theory so clear to us.


I love IT, dude, I'd still love for it to be true. But I just don't give a rats crap until I see something that is made by BioWare that confirms it, be it a cutscene that has shepard waking up and killing harbinger with a rocket launcher and saving the galaxy, or a whole new Ending DLC, or ME4. I want to SEEEEEEEEE the end, not speculate it.


You have seen the ending, this is where I respectfully disagree with most other ITers and why I mention Momento

Like in the movie Momento the events of ME3 are not in chronological order.
  • Fact: Bioware is not going to change the ending
  • Fact: The events that happen to Shepard after Harbinger's beam could not have possibly happened
Using logic what is the conclusion?-

If the ending is in the game but what happened to Shepard is not real that means there is a time gap between Shepard's "breathe scene" and the citadel opening up and firing.

How does Shepard open the citadel doors? How does the crucible fire? How does Shepard escape the citadel? Or better yet, does he? These stories have been as the Stargazer put it "lost in time." Future DLC will slowly start to plug in the ME3 ending.

:wizard:

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Odplata pride wrote...

Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, too. How are they going to finish up the operations if those are not exactly negligible reasons for people to play (i.e. spend money on packs)?

The best solution for that I think comes from the first(?) IT thread (how could it be any different): take back the galaxy. DLC that will concentrate on major planets like Palivan, Thessia etc.
But that, of course, should happen after the ending, i.e. after London, since the description of Operation Olympus even more proved that they really are progressing along the SP story line; they won't just stop right before the Cronos assault or end the events after London happened.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???


Because to us we are not grasping at straws. We had played through and ending that made us angry, but above all which made us confused. It left questions, questions far too deep running to brush of with lazy writing.

So we dug into the game and started piercing together the strange stuff, the kid, the dreams, the ending and slowly a picture started to take form, a possibility buried in the data.

And as more people joined the idea we dug through every part of the games finding what could support us, checking might disprove our idea and now standing here we truly feel we have a strong case.

I dont mind if people dont share our views, but I do mind it when people complain (not saying you are) about us trying to make sense of a ending universally seen as bad. We pierced together a theory that makes the ending not only tolerable, but a masterpiece and everything surppoting it comes from the games and the developers, it is not simply fan fiction.

I hope you have checked out some of the things linked on the first page as they cover alot of the things which make this theory so clear to us.


I love IT, dude, I'd still love for it to be true. But I just don't give a rats crap until I see something that is made by BioWare that confirms it, be it a cutscene that has shepard waking up and killing harbinger with a rocket launcher and saving the galaxy, or a whole new Ending DLC, or ME4. I want to SEEEEEEEEE the end, not speculate it.


You have seen the ending, this is where I respectfully disagree with most other ITers and why I mention Momento

Like in the movie Momento the events of ME3 are not in chronological order.
  • Fact: Bioware is not going to change the ending
  • Fact: The events that happen to Shepard after Harbinger's beam could not have possibly happened
Using logic what is the conclusion?-

If the ending is in the game but what happened to Shepard is not real that means there is a time gap between Shepard's "breathe scene" and the citadel opening up and firing.

How does Shepard open the citadel doors? How does the crucible fire? How does Shepard escape the citadel? These stories have been as the Stargazer put it "lost in time." Future DLC will slowly start to plug in the ME3 ending.

:wizard:


That is changing the ending then, because ITer's don't seriously believe that control and synthesis are realistic within the lore. They are stupid, and thus can't happen. thus changing it would mean changing the ending.

I hate how my series has been ruined.

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So going back to Cerberus' interest in Aria and biotics.. I wonder if that's a remnant of the old dark energy plot? As you may recall, biotics can manipulate dark energy to produce mass effect fields when they use their "powers". Perhaps that was all meant to tie in together? Basically, biotics in Mass Effect become the equivalent of the telepaths in Babylon 5 during the Shadow War (please somebody get this reference..). Indoctrination at later stages can give biotic powers to those who never had them before, like Saren and Grayson. There's a lot we don't know about in-universe, everything from how relays work to what effect biotics can have.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Odplata pride wrote...

Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, too. How are they going to finish up the operations if those are not exactly negligible reasons for people to play (i.e. spend money on packs)?

The best solution for that I think comes from the first(?) IT thread (how could it be any different): take back the galaxy. DLC that will concentrate on major planets like Palivan, Thessia etc.
But that, of course, should happen after the ending, i.e. after London, since the description of Operation Olympus even more proved that they really are progressing along the SP story line; they won't just stop right before the Cronos assault or end the events after London happened.


This sounds great, but they have already said all the DLC will NOT change the ending or add any additional closure. This is from BioWare's mouth.

Why do you guys think this will happen???

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Home run MF wrote...


BlazingZephyr wrote...


Fist of all I'm not arguing with you, we are exchanging opinions (sorry if I sounded a little blunt)

Let me put it this way.
Vendetta says the splinter group trying (or thinking they were) to control the Reapers happened in their cycle too, and that they were indoctrinated.
The Illusive Man touches a Reaper artifact and all of a sudden growns the need of founding a secret splinter group.
When the Reapers are close and their previous agents failed (Saren) they use another one, TIM, to instigate another front for the organics to fight. (divide & conquer)
Oh, big surprise when this cycle splinter group sabotages the crucible deployment like the Porthean one did.


No, I was just stating that I might sound blunt without meaning to. No issues with other people.;)

My point is that things feel poorly explained and put together . You HAVE to read other media to get what the hell is going on with stuff in ME3. With only the games, nobody knows who Jack Harper is, or what he did. Sure, you can blame the Eye-glowy artifact, but his exposure was minimal.

It feels like ME3 just needs a huge other-than-endings clarity overhaul. Anyway, I'm kinda sick of talking about Cerberus, so... yeah.


"EA It's in the game"  (oh wait, it's not) :devil:

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StElmo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Odplata pride wrote...

Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, too. How are they going to finish up the operations if those are not exactly negligible reasons for people to play (i.e. spend money on packs)?

The best solution for that I think comes from the first(?) IT thread (how could it be any different): take back the galaxy. DLC that will concentrate on major planets like Palivan, Thessia etc.
But that, of course, should happen after the ending, i.e. after London, since the description of Operation Olympus even more proved that they really are progressing along the SP story line; they won't just stop right before the Cronos assault or end the events after London happened.


This sounds great, but they have already said all the DLC will NOT change the ending or add any additional closure. This is from BioWare's mouth.

Why do you guys think this will happen???


There will be no new endings, and changes in the ec. BS.

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StElmo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Odplata pride wrote...

Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, too. How are they going to finish up the operations if those are not exactly negligible reasons for people to play (i.e. spend money on packs)?

The best solution for that I think comes from the first(?) IT thread (how could it be any different): take back the galaxy. DLC that will concentrate on major planets like Palivan, Thessia etc.
But that, of course, should happen after the ending, i.e. after London, since the description of Operation Olympus even more proved that they really are progressing along the SP story line; they won't just stop right before the Cronos assault or end the events after London happened.


This sounds great, but they have already said all the DLC will NOT change the ending or add any additional closure. This is from BioWare's mouth.

Why do you guys think this will happen???


Again, read what I wrote: how do you imagine them suddenly stopping the storyline progression in the MP events?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 08 août 2012 - 05:14 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Operation OLYMPUS: So what challenge is this supposed to be? One we are supposed to be successful or fail?

Also don't you think it's interesting that they named the operation to the greek mythology? Isn't Cerberus supposed to be filled with that? Hmmm....more pointing towards London and Cerberus. Just one more connection to add to the pile. 

1- Cerberus shuttle shard/logo next to Thanix missiles.
2- Cerberus shuttle drops Shepard off at FOB.
3- Operation name is related to Greek - Greek mythology is present in Cerberus (names) - thus London is indirectly related to Cerberus...

Interesting.... :?



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TJBartlemus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Operation OLYMPUS: So what challenge is this supposed to be? One we are supposed to be successful or fail?

Also don't you think it's interesting that they named the operation to the greek mythology? Isn't Cerberus supposed to be filled with that? Hmmm....more pointing towards London and Cerberus. Just one more connection to add to the pile. 

1- Cerberus shuttle shard/logo next to Thanix missiles.
2- Cerberus shuttle drops Shepard off at FOB.
3- Operation name is related to Greek - Greek mythology is present in Cerberus (names) - thus London is indirectly related to Cerberus...

Interesting.... :?


"Increased Reaper activity has been reported around London. Operation
OLYMPUS will focus large-scale strikes on the Reapers to buy the
Resistance time to investigate."

The MP timeline is following SP! This is the part where Anderson and the Systems Alliance find out about the conduit beam!!!

:wizard:

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Sero303 wrote...

I wonder how this new Leviathan DLC will factor into current Indoctrination theories? Any thoughts? I took a break from ME3 ( & the bull**** that goes with it ).

http://social.biowar.../index/13557262 
Very well.
It's as we predicted.
(ALSO WARNING SPOILERS OMGWTFBBQWAFFLE)

Rosewind wrote...

StElmo wrote...

So guys, guys guys, anyone here still hanging out for DLC that takes into account IT? if not, are you hoping ME4 will just nulify the ME3 ending with something like IT?

Heck I would take either, but so far you guys are all clutching at straws, so what keeps you so motivated???


Shepard's under garments *Wink* and my brainwashing monocles .... I mean what brainwashing they just ordinary monocles ...

 
Because who says you can't spend all day fighting in heavy armor still look good afterwards?

Macross wrote...

The whole biotic Aria thing, well here's another explanation. Firstly, who plays Aria, Carrie Anne Moss of course. Now who is she best known for playing. Trinity from Matrix of course and the dev team did state that the end of the Matrix was a big influence... So this is my reasoning. 

 
COULD SHE GET ANY HOTTER?
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Rifneno wrote...

So they released a DLC that costs $2 worth of BW points. But the minimum quantity you can buy BWP in is $10.

... Is there some way I'm not seeing in which this isn't stupid?

 
The lowest amount I see on the UK one is 400 BW points/£3.

I'll probably just wait til Leviathan's out - can get Leviathan + Firefight pack for 1040, so buy a 1200 point thing and have 160 left over for... spectre packs or something? :?

MaximizedAction wrote...

blog.bioware.com/2012/08/08/operation-olympus/

"Increased Reaper activity has been reported around London. Operation OLYMPUS will focus large-scale strikes on the Reapers to buy the Resistance time to investigate...."

Arian/TSA +1

 
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OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

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masster blaster wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Odplata pride wrote...

Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, too. How are they going to finish up the operations if those are not exactly negligible reasons for people to play (i.e. spend money on packs)?

The best solution for that I think comes from the first(?) IT thread (how could it be any different): take back the galaxy. DLC that will concentrate on major planets like Palivan, Thessia etc.
But that, of course, should happen after the ending, i.e. after London, since the description of Operation Olympus even more proved that they really are progressing along the SP story line; they won't just stop right before the Cronos assault or end the events after London happened.


This sounds great, but they have already said all the DLC will NOT change the ending or add any additional closure. This is from BioWare's mouth.

Why do you guys think this will happen???


There will be no new endings, and changes in the ec. BS.


It's true that BW now has a reputation for BS, but who's to say what's BS and what's not? This group often uses little things Bioware says to enforce hope for IT, but then completely disregards anything that might contradict it. Not trying to criticize you guys, but that's sorta what I've seen. (God, I sound like a Literalist today)

That's just my opinion. No need to go spreading it around.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

Have you seen my "Nobody will believe the catalyst after Leviathan" thread?
Leviathan pretty much proves that we were right all along :lol:

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StElmo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Odplata pride wrote...

Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, too. How are they going to finish up the operations if those are not exactly negligible reasons for people to play (i.e. spend money on packs)?

The best solution for that I think comes from the first(?) IT thread (how could it be any different): take back the galaxy. DLC that will concentrate on major planets like Palivan, Thessia etc.
But that, of course, should happen after the ending, i.e. after London, since the description of Operation Olympus even more proved that they really are progressing along the SP story line; they won't just stop right before the Cronos assault or end the events after London happened.


This sounds great, but they have already said all the DLC will NOT change the ending or add any additional closure. This is from BioWare's mouth.

Why do you guys think this will happen???


Why would they bother putting in even more dialogue in the catalyst conversation, if the EC was the total, final say on the endings? They even admitted they did in the same statement your quoting. It's in the files that came with the EC. Maybe people have different definitions of change than I do.

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TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

Have you seen my "Nobody will believe the catalyst after Leviathan" thread?
Leviathan pretty much proves that we were right all along :lol:


But remember TSA, Bioware could change some of dialogue so we should keep an I on if they have changed some of the script.

Just saying.


but what I like about the new dlc, is that Gamble said it's going to be 3 to 4 hrs long.:D

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masster blaster wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

Have you seen my "Nobody will believe the catalyst after Leviathan" thread?
Leviathan pretty much proves that we were right all along :lol:


But remember TSA, Bioware could change some of dialogue so we should keep an I on if they have changed some of the script.

Just saying.

Not at this stage. All the dialogue was recorded months ago.
Presumably they recorded all the squadmate dialogue for Leviathan when they called people in to do recording sessions for the EC.

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AxStapleton wrote...

StElmo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Odplata pride wrote...

Yes it is quiet similar soo MP events are closer and closer to End of SP, what will be at the End...  :)
 :D

New  END DLC? :devil:

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, too. How are they going to finish up the operations if those are not exactly negligible reasons for people to play (i.e. spend money on packs)?

The best solution for that I think comes from the first(?) IT thread (how could it be any different): take back the galaxy. DLC that will concentrate on major planets like Palivan, Thessia etc.
But that, of course, should happen after the ending, i.e. after London, since the description of Operation Olympus even more proved that they really are progressing along the SP story line; they won't just stop right before the Cronos assault or end the events after London happened.


This sounds great, but they have already said all the DLC will NOT change the ending or add any additional closure. This is from BioWare's mouth.

Why do you guys think this will happen???


Why would they bother putting in even more dialogue in the catalyst conversation, if the EC was the total, final say on the endings? They even admitted they did in the same statement your quoting. It's in the files that came with the EC. Maybe people have different definitions of change than I do.




I remember what BW said befor relasing ME 3 so I dont trust them. And when they say that END will no change I dont take it real...
IT is still in play..

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TJBartlemus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Operation OLYMPUS: So what challenge is this supposed to be? One we are supposed to be successful or fail?

Also don't you think it's interesting that they named the operation to the greek mythology? Isn't Cerberus supposed to be filled with that? Hmmm....more pointing towards London and Cerberus. Just one more connection to add to the pile. 

1- Cerberus shuttle shard/logo next to Thanix missiles.
2- Cerberus shuttle drops Shepard off at FOB.
3- Operation name is related to Greek - Greek mythology is present in Cerberus (names) - thus London is indirectly related to Cerberus...

Interesting.... :?


Wasn't there a codex entry or datapad some where that told of rumours that Cerberus had "infiltrated" London prior to the invasion? Or is that just some hocus pocus from the Marauder Shields comic trying to confuse me..

As for the name Olympus, that kind of goes without saying.