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[dorktainian]

well the one thing that is for certain is that something very big is coming our way soon. like i said keep the faith.

[TJBartlemus]

dorktainian wrote...

well the one thing that is for certain is that something very big is coming our way soon. like i said keep the faith.

HOLD THE LINE.  ...I should go... 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 26 décembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[Dysjong]

Well, the only thing that would make my Day, is news about a new game in Legacy of kain series. I need to know!

[BansheeOwnage]

dorktainian wrote...
yeah but when you have 4 endings there is always going to be trouble.  1 ending would have worked.  4 endings just leaves it a mess.  If IT is confirmed then i'll be as happy as the next man... unless we have to pay for it.  would bioware be so utterly utterly stupid to alienate its own fanbase over the ending to a game?  there are so many questions without even getting into IT.

Well it depends what you would call one ending. If it was like MEHEM with different levels of victory (based on EMS and choices) I agree that one ending would be fine. In fact, what the end should have been (and probably will be if they do an IT reveal) is not something where you make a final decision. It should be the opposite: A conglomeration of all of your past choices now having their effects. You should sit back and watch as your choices make differences, instead of making a new one which won't do too much anyway, since you won't be able to see the effects.

Anyway, the stupidity of the literal ending, and of alienating the fanbase are both great supporters of IT. Even if it was not their original intention, they would be stupid not to cash in on this opportunity. For once, I really want EA's greed to take hold on this situation. There are still many questions relating to the end - their thought process, ideas, goals, speculations, etc. They only valid excuse for not talking about it is that they are not done with it yet.

[BansheeOwnage]

dorktainian wrote...

well the one thing that is for certain is that something very big is coming our way soon. like i said keep the faith.

I'll take hope over faith any day.

[Rifneno]

magnetite wrote...

-If IT isn't confirmed, if there's no Priority Earth revamp (war asset DLC), conventional victory, Harbinger boss fight, blue babies, happy ending, ambiguous ending, show a cutscene for every choice that was ever made at the end (million different endings) or any number of things that don't fall into place for people, they will feel betrayed.

In Bioware's defense, there's no way they would be able to satisfy every single person who buys the game. Just not feasable. 

In BW's offense, they probably shouldn't have promised us they would give it to us then.

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

lets face it. as it stands at the moment Bioware are happy with the ending to their game. They've said it many times. they are happy with it.

Yes. I know the IT is a much better explanation of what actually was going on. Yes I know I have my own theories on what really went on. Yes this thread can go on for another 1000 pages without getting any answers off Bioware. I get the feeling they dont give a smeg.

I do hope none of you lose hope. At the end of the day thats really all we're holding on to. no matter if we're IT supporters, Refusal Supporters or whatever.

Keep the faith.

Interesting, isn't it, that through all of this, the one thing we hold onto is hope? One of the key Mass Effect themes? I find it very cool actually. Maybe it taught us some things after all, even with this ending.

"Without hope... we might as well be machines - programmed to do what we're told."

"You have hope. More than you think."           Was it a fourth wall break? Who knows...

Top!

Exaclty. That is the ending to ME3 - pure HOPE. And that is an awesome ending. Think about this way - ME3 as a literaliy piece asks a quastion in the beginning - how can we defeat something like the reapers? How can you even fight something like this? 

And the ending gives a straight answer - you can fight and hope you'd win. That is why i prefer the original endings ot the EC. they are the same, but the EC just spells it out for stupid people.  

Hope is the ending to Mass Effect 3. And it really excels at relating it's message - that is why all of us are still here. That is why we have not played it and moved on. In lingers. It stays with you. 

And that is why ME3 is a great game with a great ending. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

magnetite wrote...

-If IT isn't confirmed, if there's no Priority Earth revamp (war asset DLC), conventional victory, Harbinger boss fight, blue babies, happy ending, ambiguous ending, show a cutscene for every choice that was ever made at the end (million different endings) or any number of things that don't fall into place for people, they will feel betrayed.

In Bioware's defense, there's no way they would be able to satisfy every single person who buys the game. Just not feasable. 

In BW's offense, they probably shouldn't have promised us they would give it to us then.

Yeah, Magnetite is a bit of a Bioware apologist/fanboy, and he gives ITers a bad name outside the thread. I know that comes off as very hostile, but that's what I've heard from people outside this thread.

Mag, you should really remember that the IT thread is somewhat in the middle of the whole "Bioware are terrible" thing. You are pretty much saying it was the fans fault, which I find insulting and more importantly wrong. There are those who solely blame Bioware for all their disappointments, and there are ITers, who generally acknowledge that Bioware makes mistakes but are not sure if they are good or bad yet because of IT not being confirmed or denied. So please don't come off as so arrogant and just state that IT is true and the fans are the problem for expecting what we were told we would get. That's pretty low.

[CoolioThane]

Banshee MP?

[Rifneno]

magnetite wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

In BW's offense, they probably shouldn't have promised us they would give it to us then.

Fans should lower their expectations a bit.

Otherwise, this game would cost twice as much to make and you'd probably be paying over $150 for the game. Gotta think about it realistically. Like that utopian sanitation department I used earlier from the Simpsons. (several hundred pages ago)

They made the perfect sanitation department, but blew their yearly budget in a month.

I'd pay $150 for an awesome version of ME3.  Without a second thought.  Hell, I'd have bought that $350 Sovereign sculpture they were selling if they had any left by the time I had the spare cash.  Anyways, it's not about our expectations.  BW specifically told us a ****load of things that were flat out untrue.  Small taste of the lies:

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” - Mac Walters

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.” - Mike Gamble

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.” - Casey Hudson

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them." - Casey Hudson

"So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” - Casey Hudson

They were lying their asses off.  Why shouldn't we expect what they literally told us we were getting?

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

Fans should lower their expectations a bit.

Otherwise, this game would cost twice as much to make and you'd probably be paying over $150 for the game. Gotta think about it realistically. Like that utopian sanitation department I used earlier from the Simpsons. (several hundred pages ago)

They made the perfect sanitation department, but blew their yearly budget in a month.

I simply can't agree with that. I know they can't please everyone, but I've seen great examples of closure before. In a game that takes ~150 hours, we get (false) closure of about 5 minutes...

We only expected what we were told we would get, like Rif said. And I blame EA for not giving all of the developers more time.

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

Maybe I should just leave then. I mean, I already know what the ending is, so if people think I'm getting a bit annoying, I'll take off the sig and delete my account or something. I mean, it would probably save me hundreds of hours where I could do something else.

I contributed all those videos and such, so if people thought it was for nothing (basically say that I was making everyone look bad), then I'll delete the videos too. You guys can get your own answers.

Sorry for sounding a bit hostile, but it's kind of in self-defense of someone being hostile to me.

I'm just relaying what others have said. It sounds a bit like you are playing the victim card. I don't want you to leave; you are a good IT contributor! But I want you to see things from a perspective a little different, where Bioware are not flawless and the fans are not at fault. If you just come off as a little less condescending, I for one will be more than happy to have you here.

[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

Banshee MP?

Sure, after I get some lunch! See you there soon!

[Eryri]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

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You should sit back and watch as your choices make differences, instead of making a new one which won't do too much anyway, since you won't be able to see the effects.

My thoughts exactly. Why some people are so attached to the literal ending choices is beyond me. It's not like they will ACTUALLY change the nature of life in the galaxy or become an AI God or anything. 

I'd go so far as to say the ending choice is the least meaningful one in the game from a literal perspective, because it affects the smallest amount of time spent playing. It affects the colour of a 5 minute slide show, right before the credits roll. That's it. 

The decision on whether or not to discuss Shepard's sex life with Mordin during ME2 had more visible consequences than that. Apparently it affects whether or not he sings at the Shroud tower.

Modifié par Eryri, 26 décembre 2012 - 10:26 .

[Rifneno]

magnetite wrote...

Maybe I should just leave then. I mean, I already know what the ending is, so if people think I'm getting a bit annoying, I'll take off the sig and delete my account or something. I mean, it would probably save me hundreds of hours where I could do something else.

I contributed all those videos and such, so if people thought it was for nothing (basically say that I was making everyone look bad), then I'll delete the videos too. You guys can get your own answers.

Sorry for sounding a bit hostile, but it's kind of in self-defense of someone being hostile to me.

Trust me, it's not worth getting bent out of shape over what someone on the Internet thinks of you.  Just do what you enjoy.

[CoolioThane]

Don't delete your stuff, bro.

[Eryri]

@ Magnetite - I'd be sorry to see you go. You've put a lot of very well written posts into the IT thread.

[Dysjong]

Banshee, i have give magnite right regarding the expectations.

All the quotes Rifnero posted.... I haven't seen one of them until recently.

If you want an exampel, just take a good look on Diablo 3. That caused a major uproar because of many things were promised and then Blizzard did all those changes. I am more pissed off at Blizzard then i am at Bioware.

Besides, i have seen far worse IT believers here on BSN, FB and other forums.

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

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You should sit back and watch as your choices make differences, instead of making a new one which won't do too much anyway, since you won't be able to see the effects.

My thoughts exactly. Why some people are so attached to the literal ending choices is beyond me. It's not like they will ACTUALLY change the nature of life in the galaxy or become an AI God or anything. 

I'd go so far as to say the ending choice is the least meaningful one in the game from a literal perspective, because it affects the smallest amount of time spent playing. It affects the colour of a 5 minute slide show, right before the credits roll. That's it. 

The decision on whether or not to be nice to Conrad had more visible consequences than that.

Haha, yeah, it's kind of funny, but you're right! It is the least important.  In IT, it's a bit more important. But still irrelevant and nihilistic without a reveal for the same reasons. That's why I really want a reveal, because for me, I barely even care if IT is right without a reveal because really it makes no difference.

[CoolioThane]

Without a reveal...I guess I'll have to headcanon it...but also learn to accept the literal endings despite how nonsensical that'd have to be. I won't give up on the franchise, I don't think, unless the last DLCs are just a punch to the guts and/or face

Top, ****es! 

Modifié par CoolioThane, 26 décembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'm just relaying what others have said. It sounds a bit like you are playing the victim card. I don't want you to leave; you are a good IT contributor! But I want you to see things from a perspective a little different, where Bioware are not flawless and the fans are not at fault. If you just come off as a little less condescending, I for one will be more than happy to have you here.

People with Aspergers like myself can some across as a bit arrogant and condescending. Lack of social skills.

Well I'll try to keep that in mind. Just be prepared to have people disagree with you on the internet. Again, like Rif said, don't let it get to your head.