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[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

Without a reveal...I guess I'll have to headcanon it...but also learn to accept the literal endings despite how nonsensical that'd have to be. I won't give up on the franchise, I don't think, unless the last DLCs are just a punch to the guts and/or face

Top, ****es! 

Aww!

Regarding bolded: On that note, if the MegaDLC is not a reveal, we will obviously be disappointed but if it's good I doubt we'll complain too much. But if it's just plain bad, well... it will be the biggest disappointment yet for literalists and ITers. Not that I think it will be bad at all, I just wanted to point that out. See you all later!

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

Maybe I should just take a break. Do something else to get my mind off all this stuff. Come back after all the DLC is released.

Hey man don't take a break that long! I'm just overly hostile right now! I'm sorry. Don't let one person do that to you.

[Andromidius]

Dysjong wrote...
If you want an exampel, just take a good look on Diablo 3. That caused a major uproar because of many things were promised and then Blizzard did all those changes. I am more pissed off at Blizzard then i am at Bioware.

The only real two things Diablo 3 didn't deliver on was PvP (still not in the game after 9 months...really, Blizzard?) and Inferno actually being so hard that few people would be able to complete it (even me and my group of super casual gamer friends cleared Inferno with little difficulty)

Otherwise it was the little things that ruined it for me.  And the Auction House.

[Andromidius]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Without a reveal...I guess I'll have to headcanon it...but also learn to accept the literal endings despite how nonsensical that'd have to be. I won't give up on the franchise, I don't think, unless the last DLCs are just a punch to the guts and/or face

Top, ****es! 

Aww!

Regarding bolded: On that note, if the MegaDLC is not a reveal, we will obviously be disappointed but if it's good I doubt we'll complain too much. But if it's just plain bad, well... it will be the biggest disappointment yet for literalists and ITers. Not that I think it will be bad at all, I just wanted to point that out. See you all later!

If the final DLC isn't utterly amazing, I probably won't get ME4 until its in the bargin bin.  Or if its a prequel.

But if the DLC is amazing, I might consider pre-ordering.

[dorktainian]

www.youtube.com/watch 

just watching this.  quite well put together.

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

well the one thing that is for certain is that something very big is coming our way soon. like i said keep the faith.

I'll take hope over faith any day.

=/

[lex0r11]

F*ck you kindly, Rif.

[CoolioThane]

Well that escalated quickly

[umadcommander]

hope is irrelevent

[Andromidius]

You know, based on the reactions of some devs for other games (namely, recently, Farcry 3) - that of frustrated anger at certain critics/fans who just didn't understand what was intended - Bioware's stance does make some sort of sense if something along the lines of IT was intended.

Their pride in their vision, their statements about not changing the ending, their hurt comments in regards to negative comments and criticism... It all makes sense if they wanted us all to see that Shepard was succuming to indoctrination, and wanted us all as the players to travel on that journey with Shepard and see his or her fall...

Its pretty sad, if true. They are sticking to their guns, sticking with their artistic vision, and are being hated for it.

[IronSabbath88]

CoolioThane wrote...

Without a reveal...I guess I'll have to headcanon it...but also learn to accept the literal endings despite how nonsensical that'd have to be. I won't give up on the franchise, I don't think, unless the last DLCs are just a punch to the guts and/or face

Top, ****es! 

Headcanon is unacceptable, imo.

We need a legit ending if this series is to even be considered a sequel. They can't keep up this "It is what you want it to be" nonsense. We need to be told flat out if the endings are face value or a reveal that the endings aren't what they seem to be.

Otherwise this is a massive fail and I personally will be more angry if I'm told I have to headcanon what happened on a trilogy built on STORY and CONSEQUENCE.

[Rifneno]

lex0r11 wrote...

F*ck you kindly, Rif.

u mad?

[Norlond]

dorktainian wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

just watching this.  quite well put together.

omg I love this, post this in the pro-Ending threads and you will get lynched

[Xilizhra]

Eryri wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

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You should sit back and watch as your choices make differences, instead of making a new one which won't do too much anyway, since you won't be able to see the effects.

My thoughts exactly. Why some people are so attached to the literal ending choices is beyond me. It's not like they will ACTUALLY change the nature of life in the galaxy or become an AI God or anything. 

I'd go so far as to say the ending choice is the least meaningful one in the game from a literal perspective, because it affects the smallest amount of time spent playing. It affects the colour of a 5 minute slide show, right before the credits roll. That's it. 

The decision on whether or not to discuss Shepard's sex life with Mordin during ME2 had more visible consequences than that. Apparently it affects whether or not he sings at the Shroud tower.

It affects the future of the ME universe, profoundly, within our own games. Maybe it's not shown onscreen, but we love the possibilities they open up.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Without a reveal...I guess I'll have to headcanon it...but also learn to accept the literal endings despite how nonsensical that'd have to be. I won't give up on the franchise, I don't think, unless the last DLCs are just a punch to the guts and/or face

Top, ****es! 

Headcanon is unacceptable, imo.

We need a legit ending if this series is to even be considered a sequel. They can't keep up this "It is what you want it to be" nonsense. We need to be told flat out if the endings are face value or a reveal that the endings aren't what they seem to be.

Otherwise this is a massive fail and I personally will be more angry if I'm told I have to headcanon what happened on a trilogy built on STORY and CONSEQUENCE.

Oh yes.

Now I have no problem imagening what happens after a story ends, I am a free time story writer myself after all. But if the developers intend a certain path they need to leave something to build on.

Looking over the slides we learn nothing fo what the different characters we have come to know and love do. Well except Samara who we learn spends more time with her daughter, but that was allready logical by that point. Everything we see in the slides either has no purpose (showing people before a computer screen has little meaning unless we know what they are doing or trying) or is something we allready knew (Krogan babies).

And the worst offenders is the crew of the Normandy and Shepard where even with the breath scene we learn absolutely nothing other than they are alive. A single slide of Shepard and Liara holding a little blue baby would have been all closure those in that romance would have needed, or a slide of Shepard and Tali standing before a newly constructed house on Rannoch.

It wouldnt tell us much, but it would give us a closure that whatever happened it was good and no more would be needed to let imagination handle the rest.

But there is nothing for imagination to work with, all we can do is guess.

And that is a problem.

[CoolioThane]

If you "love" the possibilities of anything bar destroy (even that is pushing it) you are mental imo

[Xilizhra]

CoolioThane wrote...

If you "love" the possibilities of anything bar destroy (even that is pushing it) you are mental imo

You are, of course, entitled to your o, but it's not the only one Bioware is concerning itself with.

[Rifneno]

CoolioThane wrote...

If you "love" the possibilities of anything bar destroy (even that is pushing it) you are mental imo

QFT.  Control and especially synthesis are just revolting.

[Andromidius]

CoolioThane wrote...

If you "love" the possibilities of anything bar destroy (even that is pushing it) you are mental imo

Refuse might be interesting too, but not because of what Shepard fails to do.  But a new galaxy, new races and new characters?  That's interesting.  If we see how they win, that will be interesting.

But not knowing what happens to everyone I know?  Unacceptable.  If I don't even get told they all die, I have no closure at all.

And we still won't know what the Reapers are ultimately planning, and why.  Regardless of anything, what the 'Catalyst' (lol) claims isn't enough.  Even if it was 100% truthful (lol) its not enough.  Its pathetic and vague and weak.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

If you "love" the possibilities of anything bar destroy (even that is pushing it) you are mental imo

That's why Synthesis is called "Harmony of Man and Machine" by the devs. So you basically just called them mental.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Xilizhra wrote...

Eryri wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

snip
You should sit back and watch as your choices make differences, instead of making a new one which won't do too much anyway, since you won't be able to see the effects.

My thoughts exactly. Why some people are so attached to the literal ending choices is beyond me. It's not like they will ACTUALLY change the nature of life in the galaxy or become an AI God or anything. 

I'd go so far as to say the ending choice is the least meaningful one in the game from a literal perspective, because it affects the smallest amount of time spent playing. It affects the colour of a 5 minute slide show, right before the credits roll. That's it. 

The decision on whether or not to discuss Shepard's sex life with Mordin during ME2 had more visible consequences than that. Apparently it affects whether or not he sings at the Shroud tower.

It affects the future of the ME universe, profoundly, within our own games. Maybe it's not shown onscreen, but we love the possibilities they open up.

What possibilities?

Okay Destroy has possibilities in depicting a war torn galaxy rebuilding and the unavoidable struggle happening as power starts to shift in the wake of the war.

But Control and Synthesis require some serious headscratching and asspulling to ever continue in any logical direction. Really ask yourself what you would do in those...

Have a new threat invade the Galaxy? You would need some enormous leaps of logic for the combined galaxy and the Reapers to not just curb stomp any invasion force as the Reapers have perfected their tehcnology across millions of years. And how would a Destroy ending deal with a threat so massive it threatens a Reaper empowered Galaxy?

Same problem arises with internal struggles. Do you think any struggle could escalate into anything large while "your friendly neighborhood Reapers" are floating around?

The endings are too different to craft a sequel taking the choice into account, you would need to headcannon one end (probably would in IT too, but it would be less jarring) to continue the saga and Control / Synthesis offers very little in the way of possible conflicts (especially Synthesis where veryone is now buddy, buddy).

[Andromidius]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

If you "love" the possibilities of anything bar destroy (even that is pushing it) you are mental imo

That's why Synthesis is called "Harmony of Man and Machine" by the devs. So you basically just called them mental.

They also said the Rachni would be important in the final battle.

So no.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

If you "love" the possibilities of anything bar destroy (even that is pushing it) you are mental imo

That's why Synthesis is called "Harmony of Man and Machine" by the devs. So you basically just called them mental.

An outright lie considering neither man nor machine exists any longer, Oor did I miss something in that everything is combined into a new framework? I mean that framework would no longer be man or machine. It is not harmony between them either, it is forced combination.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 26 décembre 2012 - 11:42 .