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[CoolioThane]

Harbinger is made from Leviathans right?

[Andromidius]

CoolioThane wrote...

Harbinger is made from Leviathans right?

Yes.  Apperently.

[Rifneno]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

One last off topic bit:

Assassin Khajiit's are awesome. I've named mine Ka'sumi

I was considering playing a khajit once. Just because I want to name him Catalyst.

[Andromidius]

You should call it Kat'sumi!

[Andromidius]

Also, has anyone bothered to try explain Shepard's gunshot wound after he shoots Anderson?

Its not there before. Its clearly there after, the camera and Shepard both focus on it. Shepard was not shot.

Explain that! Someone, please, explain that!

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Also, has anyone bothered to try explain Shepard's gunshot wound after he shoots Anderson?

Its not there before. Its clearly there after, the camera and Shepard both focus on it. Shepard was not shot.

Explain that! Someone, please, explain that!

Literalists claim it's not a gunshot wound. That's just where he happens to be bleeding from Harby's beam weapon. Why is it so focused on only after shooting Anderson? **** you, that's why.

... Didn't say it made sense. Pretty much anything that starts with "Literalists claim" makes no sense.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Also, has anyone bothered to try explain Shepard's gunshot wound after he shoots Anderson?

Its not there before. Its clearly there after, the camera and Shepard both focus on it. Shepard was not shot.

Explain that! Someone, please, explain that!

Literalists claim it's not a gunshot wound. That's just where he happens to be bleeding from Harby's beam weapon. Why is it so focused on only after shooting Anderson? **** you, that's why.

... Didn't say it made sense. Pretty much anything that starts with "Literalists claim" makes no sense.

Well if that's the best they can come up with...

Then that's hilarious.  I have equal validity in claiming sythensis turns everyone's anatomy into Barbie and Ken dolls.  Because really, what use would we have of sexual organs if we've achieved perfection as immortal cyborgs?

Modifié par Andromidius, 27 décembre 2012 - 02:30 .

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Well if that's the best they can come up with...

Then that's hilarious.  I have equal validity in claiming sythensis turns everyone's anatomy into Barby and Ken dolls.  Because really, what use would we have of sexual organs if we've achieved perfection as immortal cyborgs?

You're surprised?  The best they come up with for control being labeled "bad choice A" is that "file names mean nothing."  The best they come up with for the indoctrination eyes is "project lazarus implants" even though they look different and BW even went out of their way to disprove that with EC.  Literalists are terrible, truly atrocious at coming up with rational explanations.

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Also, has anyone bothered to try explain Shepard's gunshot wound after he shoots Anderson?

Its not there before. Its clearly there after, the camera and Shepard both focus on it. Shepard was not shot.

Explain that! Someone, please, explain that!

Literalists claim it's not a gunshot wound. That's just where he happens to be bleeding from Harby's beam weapon. Why is it so focused on only after shooting Anderson? **** you, that's why.

... Didn't say it made sense. Pretty much anything that starts with "Literalists claim" makes no sense.

Well if that's the best they can come up with...

Then that's hilarious.  I have equal validity in claiming sythensis turns everyone's anatomy into Barbie and Ken dolls.  Because really, what use would we have of sexual organs if we've achieved perfection as immortal cyborgs?

Who said anything about immortal?
Also as there is nothing added or changed on the armor the whole time you have it it makes no sense of being inflicted lateron, it's also the side Shep presses against as an idle animation.

[CoolioThane]

Andromidius wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Harbinger is made from Leviathans right?

Yes.  Apperently.

The Leviathans who can create a setting inside Shepard's head, and produce forms from Shepard's memories to talk to?

They're right, there's no way Harbinger, who is made from Leviathans, could possible have the ability to create a setting inside Shepard's mind, based off memories, and create a form to talk to...from Shepard's memories.

In all seriousness, this could also explain the Coates thing, as the body of Coates is used in the hallucinatio despite him being alive. That's a clue. The whole "area of the citadel" we are on is completely unknown, and seemingly made up of various places we've been before. That's a clue.

Meh, probably just a big coincidence.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Also, has anyone bothered to try explain Shepard's gunshot wound after he shoots Anderson?

Its not there before. Its clearly there after, the camera and Shepard both focus on it. Shepard was not shot.

Explain that! Someone, please, explain that!

Literalists claim it's not a gunshot wound. That's just where he happens to be bleeding from Harby's beam weapon. Why is it so focused on only after shooting Anderson? **** you, that's why.

... Didn't say it made sense. Pretty much anything that starts with "Literalists claim" makes no sense.

Well if that's the best they can come up with...

Then that's hilarious.  I have equal validity in claiming sythensis turns everyone's anatomy into Barbie and Ken dolls.  Because really, what use would we have of sexual organs if we've achieved perfection as immortal cyborgs?

Who said anything about immortal?
Also as there is nothing added or changed on the armor the whole time you have it it makes no sense of being inflicted lateron, it's also the side Shep presses against as an idle animation.

Organic/Synthetic...if it's truly a "perfect harmony" that'd mean no deaths from fighting...we're all part synthetic...the risk of accidents are minimalised totally. Repairing/healing wouldn't be a problem. I think it's perfectly valid to belive that the genetic-rape victims would be immortal.

[Rifneno]

CoolioThane wrote...

Organic/Synthetic...if it's truly a "perfect harmony" that'd mean no deaths from fighting...we're all part synthetic...the risk of accidents are minimalised totally. Repairing/healing wouldn't be a problem. I think it's perfectly valid to belive that the genetic-rape victims would be immortal.

Have you heard the synthesis supporters crying about that?  Whining that everyone is calling them rapists.  Just epic levels of facepalm, even for them.

[TheConstantOne]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Also, has anyone bothered to try explain Shepard's gunshot wound after he shoots Anderson?

Its not there before. Its clearly there after, the camera and Shepard both focus on it. Shepard was not shot.

Explain that! Someone, please, explain that!

Literalists claim it's not a gunshot wound. That's just where he happens to be bleeding from Harby's beam weapon. Why is it so focused on only after shooting Anderson? **** you, that's why.

... Didn't say it made sense. Pretty much anything that starts with "Literalists claim" makes no sense.

Well if that's the best they can come up with...

Then that's hilarious.  I have equal validity in claiming sythensis turns everyone's anatomy into Barbie and Ken dolls.  Because really, what use would we have of sexual organs if we've achieved perfection as immortal cyborgs?

Who said anything about immortal?
Also as there is nothing added or changed on the armor the whole time you have it it makes no sense of being inflicted lateron, it's also the side Shep presses against as an idle animation.

Organic/Synthetic...if it's truly a "perfect harmony" that'd mean no deaths from fighting...we're all part synthetic...the risk of accidents are minimalised totally. Repairing/healing wouldn't be a problem. I think it's perfectly valid to belive that the genetic-rape victims would be immortal.

No, it isn't at all a valid conclusion.  While you can infer that these synthetic upgrades would allow organics to upgrade their abilities (per what we are told in-game about Synthesis) it is a completely different matter to say that this grants immortality from the get go.  

You can prove this point immediately from the fact that EDI says "... we may transcend mortality itself."  The "may" here implying that it hasn't happened already, though it could become a future possibility.  Immortality with this kind of technology could happen in a few ways. 

While I'm at it, Synthesis does not suggest a utopia either.  The theme of every ending is peace and everyone will work together to rebuild the galaxy.  Synthesis just seems so utopic because the war ends with the galaxy getting a huge upgrade.  Just like every other ending, peace will reign for a time...but once things are sufficiently rebuilt, threats and power struggles will show themselves.  That's the way of the galaxy

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 27 décembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[CoolioThane]

Or maybe it's saying "may" as it's only just happened and they don't know yet.

It can suggest a Utopia. Depends on what you think. Luckily it's not real so its moot

[ChristianHarper]

magnetite wrote...

Well in the real world, if the boss says you have to have a report done by Friday, you have to get it done by the deadline. Not sure if you work or not, but that's how the real world works. They couldn't spend 5 years making this game in order to make it perfect for everyone. There's only so much time (like the above example) in order to work on something.

And in the real world if you hand your boss the report by Friday, but it doesn't contain the information you PROMISED your boss that it would have, what do you think would happen?

[spotlessvoid]

This is like the ****ing song that never ends sometimes.

[CmdrShep80]

Xilizhra wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why didn't Harbinger just vaporize Shepard instead of engaging in a convoluted indoctrination battle?

Why don't Reapers just kill everyone instead of indoctrinating them and turning them into husks and more Reapers?

Answer that and you'll answer your own question.

The Reapers slowly indoctrinate people who aren't on the front lines of combat against them so that they can perform sabotage operations, and huskify civilians en masse to create ground troops. But they're obviously not doing the latter to Shepard, otherwise she'd be on a dragon's tooth. And they're not doing the former, either, because the hallucinations came on so quickly that it has to be a fast indoctrination, which causes tremendous neural damage anyway, so Shepard's screwed no matter what.

Once again Star Trek to the rescue.  It's simple really.  Remember how we discussed that there were only one Reaper created each cycle and how unfeasible and unsustainable that could be?  Then remember how the Reapers use indoctrination to cause chaos and/or pit friends against each other (just like the codex says). 

Well take the Dominion War with the Changelings invading Earth:


Mister President, I assure you the threat is real.
 
                                      PRESIDENT JARESH-INYO
                       For all we know, there was only
                       one changeling on Earth, and he
                       may not even be here anymore.
 
                                      SISKO
                       But if he is here, we have a
                       problem. There's no telling how
                       much damage one changeling could
                       do.
 
                                      JARESH-INYO
                       Forgive me for saying so, Captain,
                       but you sound a little...
                       paranoid.
 
                                      SISKO
                       Do I?

Somewhere later, I can't find it right now, the Female Changeling said something like there was only one changeling on Earth and that was all that was needed to sow chaos and pit everyone against each other.

The Dominion used paranoia, fear, and chaos to their advantage.  What they ended up with was this:

Captain Sisko = Commander Shepard; The Federation = Humanity; Shapeshifters/Changelings = Indoctrinated People; Admiral Layton = The Illusive Man watch the whole 8 minutes it will be clear as it goes along

Sound familiar?  All the Dominion needed was everyone fighting everyone and all they had to do was swoop in with whatever they had and win the day.  Same with the Reapers.  All they had to do is get everyone to fight everyone and become so paranoid that they can't trust anyone that the Reapers can swoop in and score an easy win with minimal losses.  Why they failed?  They under-estimated Commander Shepard/Captain Sisko

EDIT - added an extra clarifying line

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 27 décembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[401 Kill]

Ugh, someone please tell me that Bioware has new news on this upcoming DLC...

Did they? Any interesting tweets? Something? I really would like to know more about this. It sounds pretty interesting.

[CmdrShep80]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ah, but that was before Shepard proved himself to be so exceptionally resourceful by destroying the collector base and the Alpha Relay. That may have increased Harby's interest from mild curiosity to burning obsession. If so he may have decided that he would prefer a live Shepard to truly understand what makes him such an "anomaly" (Leviathan's words). But again, this is just theorising - I admit, I have no strong evidence to back it up.

Destroying the Alpha Relay apparently wasn't it, because it doesn't change Harbinger's lines. And I don't know why destroying the Collector base would, because it doesn't seem as difficult as destroying a Reaper. And in ME3, the Reapers never seem to hold back with Shepard, nor does Harbinger, if attempting to incinerate her with that main gun is any indication.

I wonder if the Alpha Relay was a red herring?  It didn't stop the Reapers from attacking in ME 3.  I wonder if somehow someone indoctrinated convinced Shepard to do this just to pit the Bactarians on Shepard and Humanity.  Because well if they reignite their war like the Skylian Blitz, it would cause a drain on resources that could be focused on the Reapers.

Notice a pattern?

Destroy the Alpha Relay in the Bactarian system = pit Bactarian against Humanity
Prevent the Cure (via killing Eve)/Fake the Cure = Pit the Krogan against the Salarians and Turians
Cause the Quarian/Geth War to flare up = Pit the Quarians against the Geth
Kill the Primarch = cause chaos with the Galaxy's greatest military and anamosity toward Humanity
Take over Thessia = Asari become preoccupied with their own survival and a loss of a wealth of knowledge/experience
Ironically stopping TIM on Sanctuary = causes a loss of potential assets for humanity to use against the Reapers (even if they are Reaperized)
Take over Chronos station and kill TIM = loss of an effective/efficient fighting force (as misguided as they are) for Humanity under the Alliance Black Ops
Sow discord and chaos on Omega = loss of effective merc organizations causing a drop in assets
EDIT - Kill the Salarian Counselor, implicate Human Counselor= Loss of Effective Citadel leadership one's dead, one's in jail, the third is too focused on her species' survival, the fourth is trying to save his homeworld with his disorganized military.  No Galactic leadership.  In a way the Reapers still managed to impact the Citadel Leadership

All of these cause a loss of focus on the Reapers should they come to pass making the Reaper victory easier

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 27 décembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[Rifneno]

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

Harbinger was clearly ecstatic. Everything was part of the plan.

[401 Kill]

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

Understandable, after the Prothean scientists disabled the signal to the Keepers, plan A was stopped. Then after Shepard stopped Sovreign, plan B was stopped. The Alpha relay's destruction ruined plan C. Up to this point nothing had gone right for the Reapers. They had to travel to the galaxy themselves and that took a year.

[CmdrShep80]

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

Harbinger can lie.  We've seen it before.  Well after really. 

Think of mp.  If I really wanted Banshee points, I can just convince you to constantly go after the brute by forcing it on you, by just simply saying things like don't kill the brute, I need the points, etc. and be pissed off every time you killed one while I secretly am not because I'm scoring extra points by attacking and/or killing Banshees, at least till you caught on.

[CmdrShep80]

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

Understandable, after the Prothean scientists disabled the signal to the Keepers, plan A was stopped. Then after Shepard stopped Sovreign, plan B was stopped. The Alpha relay's destruction ruined plan C. Up to this point nothing had gone right for the Reapers. They had to travel to the galaxy themselves and that took a year.

That's the part I have a hard time understanding.  How does the Reaper travel via FTL from the edge of the galaxy to Earth in 1 year?  You're talking about 25 thousand light years from the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy (yes this is a real number).

Even Star Trek would need Space Magic for that to happen in a year unless they were already in the neighborhood

EDIT - TOP! And 54 pages to go hehe

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 27 décembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

Understandable, after the Prothean scientists disabled the signal to the Keepers, plan A was stopped. Then after Shepard stopped Sovreign, plan B was stopped. The Alpha relay's destruction ruined plan C. Up to this point nothing had gone right for the Reapers. They had to travel to the galaxy themselves and that took a year.

That's the part I have a hard time understanding.  How does the Reaper travel via FTL from the edge of the galaxy to Earth in 1 year?  You're talking about 25 thousand light years from the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy (yes this is a real number).

Even Star Trek would need Space Magic for that to happen in a year unless they were already in the neighborhood

EDIT - TOP! And 54 pages to go hehe

First, they only traveled to the next available Mass Relay.
Second, they may not actually be on Earth yet.