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[CmdrShep80]

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

Understandable, after the Prothean scientists disabled the signal to the Keepers, plan A was stopped. Then after Shepard stopped Sovreign, plan B was stopped. The Alpha relay's destruction ruined plan C. Up to this point nothing had gone right for the Reapers. They had to travel to the galaxy themselves and that took a year.

That's the part I have a hard time understanding.  How does the Reaper travel via FTL from the edge of the galaxy to Earth in 1 year?  You're talking about 25 thousand light years from the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy (yes this is a real number).

Even Star Trek would need Space Magic for that to happen in a year unless they were already in the neighborhood

EDIT - TOP! And 54 pages to go hehe

First, they only traveled to the next available Mass Relay.
Second, they may not actually be on Earth yet.

Ok you have a point.  There are Mass Relays we don't know about within the Batarian Hedgemony that only they know about and won't share with us.  Do all the mass relays have one entry and one exit?  Or can they all go to multiple entries/exits?

The reason I ask is Ker'Shan has only one exit point to the Exodus Cluster system of Utopia but Utopia's Mass Relay has 5 different exit points:  Horsehead Nebula, Hades Gamma, Arcturus Stream, Annos Basin, and Kite's Nest (Ker'Shan)

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 27 décembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[CmdrShep80]

@Paxxton - I'm lost on the Second point though...you'll have to explain that one

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

Understandable, after the Prothean scientists disabled the signal to the Keepers, plan A was stopped. Then after Shepard stopped Sovreign, plan B was stopped. The Alpha relay's destruction ruined plan C. Up to this point nothing had gone right for the Reapers. They had to travel to the galaxy themselves and that took a year.

That's the part I have a hard time understanding.  How does the Reaper travel via FTL from the edge of the galaxy to Earth in 1 year?  You're talking about 25 thousand light years from the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy (yes this is a real number).

Even Star Trek would need Space Magic for that to happen in a year unless they were already in the neighborhood

EDIT - TOP! And 54 pages to go hehe

First, they only traveled to the next available Mass Relay.
Second, they may not actually be on Earth yet.

Ok you have a point.  There are Mass Relays we don't know about within the Batarian Hedgemony that only they know about and won't share with us.  Do all the mass relays have one entry and one exit?  Or can they all go to multiple entries/exits?

The reason I ask is Ker'Shan has only one exit point to the Exodus Cluster system of Utopia but Utopia's Mass Relay has 5 different exit points:  Horsehead Nebula, Hades Gamma, Arcturus Stream, Annos Basin, and Kite's Nest (Ker'Shan)

I believe I read somewhere that the Alpha Relay is a multi-destination relay.

[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Oh GDI. Xil has infected this thread again? FML.

Global Defence Initiative? 

Oh *NOD.*  It seems to be so (hee hee Brotherhood of Nod)

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 27 décembre 2012 - 06:28 .

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Oh GDI. Xil has infected this thread again? FML.

Global Defence Initiative? 

Oh *NOD.*  It seems to be so (hee hee Brotherhood of Nod)

Graphics Device Interface.

[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Oh GDI. Xil has infected this thread again? FML.

Global Defence Initiative? 

Goddamnit.

.... Eric? 

Bless you  (sorry can't help belatedly answering some of these)

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@Paxxton - I'm lost on the Second point though...you'll have to explain that one

What if it's all a dream?

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@Paxxton - I'm lost on the Second point though...you'll have to explain that one

What if it's all a dream?

Then maybe I'll dream about going crazy.

[Ghaleon]

Not sure if this has been covered much, as i avoid forums a bit cause not really happy with ME3 overall but.

IT puts forth the theory that shepard was indoctrinated, but through the whole game we choose the decisions paths all that shepard takes all 3 choices represent the 3 games Synthesis is Saren, Control TIM, Destroy Anderson(guessing on 3rd based on what i have saw).

At end we get a choice Synthesis, control or destroy, shepard being the players character what if bioware was trying to convey the player themselves gets indoctrinated? goes against what they fought to stop. unless they choose destroy breaking Indoctrination similar to the IT.

Am i way off base here has this been discussed or am i just a mad man rambling.

Modifié par Ghaleon80, 27 décembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[paxxton]

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

@Paxxton - I'm lost on the Second point though...you'll have to explain that one

What if it's all a dream?

Then maybe I'll dream about going crazy.

Sure, why not? Just know when to wake up (pun intended). lol

[Carmin_Steele]

Ghaleon80 wrote...

Not sure if this has been covered much, as i avoid forums a bit cause not really happy with ME3 overall but.

IT puts forth the theory that shepard was indoctrinated, but through the whole game we choose the decisions paths all that shepard takes all 3 choices represent the 3 games Synthesis is Saren, Control TIM, Destroy Anderson(guessing on 3rd based on what i have saw).

At end we get a choice Synthesis, control or destroy, shepard being the players character what if bioware was trying to convey the player themselves gets indoctrinated? goes against what they fought to stop. unless they choose destroy breaking Indoctrination similar to the IT.

Am i way off base here has this been discussed or am i just a mad man rambling.

It has been discussed a few times, and honestly that's my stance on it. I do believe that Bioware has actually Indoctrinated many of the players, with only a few actually realizing what the inention was. Where the divide stands is in whether or not Refuse breaks indoc or not.

[401 Kill]

Ghaleon80 wrote...

Not sure if this has been covered much, as i avoid forums a bit cause not really happy with ME3 overall but.

IT puts forth the theory that shepard was indoctrinated, but through the whole game we choose the decisions paths all that shepard takes all 3 choices represent the 3 games Synthesis is Saren, Control TIM, Destroy Anderson(guessing on 3rd based on what i have saw).

At end we get a choice Synthesis, control or destroy, shepard being the players character what if bioware was trying to convey the player themselves gets indoctrinated? goes against what they fought to stop. unless they choose destroy breaking Indoctrination similar to the IT.

Am i way off base here has this been discussed or am i just a mad man rambling.

IT puts forth that Shepard is undergoing the process of Indoctrination. It's key to remember that Shepard is not actually indoctrinated unless Control or Synthesis is chosen. If Destroy is chosen, Shepard is resisting the indoctrination attempt. The goal has always been to Destroy the Reapers, so if convinced otherwise in the desicion chamber, Shepard is no longer in the process of indoctrination, but fully indoctrinated.

[CmdrShep80]

masster blaster wrote...

So did Anything happen on X mas? Any new from Bioware, or IT stuff.

Also I got the LoTR Lego's game, Game of Thrones game, and more.

Lego games are the best!  Keep to that formula TT Games!  BioWare, make a Lego Mass Effect Trilogy with TT Games I would buy it!  Use the actual voices too!

[CmdrShep80]

lex0r11 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well I am going to go play game of thrones, so see ya later guys/gals.

Just interested. Did you read any of the books or saw the show on HBO?

Read the books, am reading the last one Dances with Dragons.  I also picked up the maps...so cool to stare at for an afternoon!

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

WTF? I started another playthrough and I was in Vancouver pretty much taking in the sights. I can't get enough of those shots of the capital ships. The sheer scope of them is just incredible. Anyway, I was watching that capital ship closest to where you gain control after getting knocked out, right and I noticed something. The damn thing is following me. After I moved far enough away to get Anderson to stfu about my slacking off, I look back and it's taking a few steps toward me. It pretty much keeps up until you go through the building and such.

It could just be for sake of scripting. The same capital ship blows out the committee building, and then takes out the husk building. Still, creepy as hell having a capital ship stalking you.

Creepy

Andromidius wrote...

You know, some people claim Starbinger's logic isn't circular and makes perfect sense.

Okay, here's an analogy I just thought up.

The Police force realises that people keep being robbed, despite their best efforts to catch the theives and stop this from happening. So they come up with a plan to hire people to rob the houses of everyone with a certain amount of money so they won't be robbed by someone else. Every time someone gets a certain amount, they rob them as well. Only they get the people they robbed previously to do the robbing. And they randomly leave the money they've robbed out in the street for anyone to find. And when they pick up the money, they rob them of it as well.

That's the level of logic we're talking about here. Circular and insane and sadistic.

Explaining a situation with different examples can show just how little sense it makes

CoolioThane wrote...

Or maybe it's saying "may" as it's only just happened and they don't know yet.

It can suggest a Utopia. Depends on what you think. Luckily it's not real so its moot

It's noteworthy that everything in the ending speeches is said in future tense; none of it has actaully happened. Fits with the "what Shepard hopes for" explanation nicely.

[paxxton]

So Silent on the IT Hill...

[Norlond]

Don't blame me, I just woke up.. *yawn*

But the thread really is incredibly slow, only 3 new pages since I left 9 hours ago

edit: Remember Sheps new idle animation in ME3 where s/he looks around all suspicious? It's not a new animation, it's reused. I found it yesterday in ME1, on Virmire: Some of the indoctrinated imprisoned Salarians use it

Modifié par Norlond, 27 décembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[paxxton]

Norlond wrote...

Don't blame me, I just woke up.. *yawn*

But the thread really is incredibly slow, only 3 new pages since I left 9 hours ago

edit: Remember Sheps new idle animation in ME3 where s/he looks around all suspicious? It's not a new animation, it's reused. I found it yesterday in ME1, on Virmire: Some of the indoctrinated imprisoned Salarians use it

It's actually an idle animation from ME2. But the point is that it's Shep's idle animation. In ME1, as you said, it's not. Btw, those Salarians were indoctrinated.

EDIT: Lol. My last post was from 2 hours ago. How fast time passes these days.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 décembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[Norlond]

Shep got it in ME2? Never noticed that, I'll keep an eye out

paxxton wrote...
Btw, those Salarians were indoctrinated.

Some of the indoctrinated imprisoned Salarians use it

edit: Starting ME2 now, how convenient

Modifié par Norlond, 27 décembre 2012 - 12:06 .

[Andromidius]

TheConstantOne wrote...
No, it isn't at all a valid conclusion.  While you can infer that these synthetic upgrades would allow organics to upgrade their abilities (per what we are told in-game about Synthesis) it is a completely different matter to say that this grants immortality from the get go. 

When you're essentially turned into what the Reapers are - biomechanical constructs - you will likely have very similar properties to the Reapers.  AKA immortality.

Its only a very small jump.  Less then other people have made regarding that abomination of a concept.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

The genius part of the plan was that regardless of outcome the Reapers gained from it.  They just gained less from the destruction of the Relay (likely having to replace it after the war), and the Batarians not going to war with the Alliance wasn't something the Reapers expected.  Despite that, they still steamrolled the Batarians with no resistance at all.

And the Batarians probably had more information on the Reapers then anyone else, since they had the Leviathan of Dis wreckage.

[demersel]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

The genius part of the plan was that regardless of outcome the Reapers gained from it.  They just gained less from the destruction of the Relay (likely having to replace it after the war), and the Batarians not going to war with the Alliance wasn't something the Reapers expected.  Despite that, they still steamrolled the Batarians with no resistance at all.

And the Batarians probably had more information on the Reapers then anyone else, since they had the Leviathan of Dis wreckage.

The thing is, that just prior to Alpha relay incident, Allince stormed batarian research facilities and took the remains of the leviathan of dis and all the research data. 

[Andromidius]

demersel wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

The genius part of the plan was that regardless of outcome the Reapers gained from it.  They just gained less from the destruction of the Relay (likely having to replace it after the war), and the Batarians not going to war with the Alliance wasn't something the Reapers expected.  Despite that, they still steamrolled the Batarians with no resistance at all.

And the Batarians probably had more information on the Reapers then anyone else, since they had the Leviathan of Dis wreckage.

The thing is, that just prior to Alpha relay incident, Allince stormed batarian research facilities and took the remains of the leviathan of dis and all the research data. 

Uh... when/where/why/how?

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

demersel wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

When Shepard blew up the Alpha Relay is the only time Harbinger genuinely seemed pissed off. I don't think the Reapers wanted that done.

The genius part of the plan was that regardless of outcome the Reapers gained from it.  They just gained less from the destruction of the Relay (likely having to replace it after the war), and the Batarians not going to war with the Alliance wasn't something the Reapers expected.  Despite that, they still steamrolled the Batarians with no resistance at all.

And the Batarians probably had more information on the Reapers then anyone else, since they had the Leviathan of Dis wreckage.

The thing is, that just prior to Alpha relay incident, Allince stormed batarian research facilities and took the remains of the leviathan of dis and all the research data. 

Uh... when/where/why/how?

Good questions.

EDIT: Finally. A new page.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 décembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[Norlond]

Isn't that the information from Kejis greybox? The one that could start a war?