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[masster blaster]

leonia42 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Operation OLYMPUS: So what challenge is this supposed to be? One we are supposed to be successful or fail?

Also don't you think it's interesting that they named the operation to the greek mythology? Isn't Cerberus supposed to be filled with that? Hmmm....more pointing towards London and Cerberus. Just one more connection to add to the pile. 

1- Cerberus shuttle shard/logo next to Thanix missiles.
2- Cerberus shuttle drops Shepard off at FOB.
3- Operation name is related to Greek - Greek mythology is present in Cerberus (names) - thus London is indirectly related to Cerberus...

Interesting.... 

Wasn't there a codex entry or datapad some where that told of rumours that Cerberus had "infiltrated" London prior to the invasion? Or is that just some hocus pocus from the Marauder Shields comic trying to confuse me..

As for the name Olympus, that kind of goes without saying.

datapad. Not the comic.

[Leonia]

masster blaster wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Wasn't there a codex entry or datapad some where that told of rumours that Cerberus had "infiltrated" London prior to the invasion? Or is that just some hocus pocus from the Marauder Shields comic trying to confuse me..

As for the name Olympus, that kind of goes without saying.

datapad. Not the comic.

Can't find it in the ME wiki any where though not really sure what to be searching for.

[masster blaster]

Ya Gamble said " May have" about the Shepard saga being over, so speculations.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 05:33 .

[masster blaster]

Crap I killed the thread.

[BlazingZephyr]

masster blaster wrote...



Ya Gamble said " May have" about the Shepard saga being over, so speculations.

That's just another way of saying "has." I'm sorry, but that's a bit straw-graspish

[MaximizedAction]

TJBartlemus wrote...

OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

Yeah, I know some here are totally ok with the final boss of ME3/ME trilogy being indoc. But what about the REST OF THE GALAXY?
I get how totally philosophical and deep the final battle being not a big and epic one, but a personal and mental one. But this is just too damn egoistical and completely non-profitable. This is not a personal dissertation for some graduate student, this is a huge product. It is expected to end appropriately. And as appealing and new for a change a personal battle for an ending is, it's completely inappropriate as THE ending for a huge trilogy.

But this is my opinion.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 08 août 2012 - 05:47 .

[masster blaster]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



Ya Gamble said " May have" about the Shepard saga being over, so speculations.

That's just another way of saying "has." I'm sorry, but that's a bit straw-graspish

Everything us ITers do is straw-graspish, am I right.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



Ya Gamble said " May have" about the Shepard saga being over, so speculations.

That's just another way of saying "has." I'm sorry, but that's a bit straw-graspish

Everything us ITers do is straw-graspish, am I right.

No.

[smokingotter1]

Arian Dynas wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
I think it would have been more than harbinger playing the ego if they made the ending like this. I know I remember multiple people saying they felt as if the final confrontation with Anderson and TIM was Shepard's mind in turmoil. Has anyone done a write up on this?

If I recall, Otter had a really in-depth analysis about the Freudian trio. 

That's in Mark II, if I find it I'll link to it. Bioware really needs to improve their search forum function btw.

Please do! I'd very much love to read it.

Basically Shepard is the Ego, the concious portion of the mind. Anderson, being Shepard's father figure and moral compass, is representing his Superego, a part of him not part of his concious mind, which seeks perfection and moral rightness. TIM is supposed to be the Id, the aspect which is lowbrow, primal, animalistic and desirous, which unfortunately does not map too well, though one could argue the Id is ruled by emotion.

Late reply... I doesn't have to map perfectly, I mean Spock/Kirk/McCoy are also seen as a Fruedian trio, but it's not like McCoy is a raving animal....that's right I brought Star Trek back into this thread.

[AxStapleton]

masster blaster wrote...



Ya Gamble said " May have" about the Shepard saga being over, so speculations.

That's probably a bit picky considering the context.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



Ya Gamble said " May have" about the Shepard saga being over, so speculations.

That's just another way of saying "has." I'm sorry, but that's a bit straw-graspish

Everything us ITers do is straw-graspish, am I right.

No.

From a literalist view yes.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 05:49 .

[BlazingZephyr]

MaximizedAction wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

Yeah, I know some here are totally ok with the final boss of ME3/ME trilogy being indoc. But what about the REST OF THE GALAXY?
I get how totally philosophical and deep the final battle being not a big and epic one, but a personal and mental one. But this is just too damn egoistical and completely non-profitable. This is not a personal dissertation for some graduate student, this is a huge product. It is expected to end appropriately. And as appealing and new for a change a personal battle for an ending is, it's completely inappropriate as THE ending for a huge trilogy.

But this is my opinion.

I share this opinion.

And Masster, there are several levels of straw-grasping; The "may have" is very high-level. If Gamble was trying to avoid confirming that it IS the end, he wouldn't have mentioned the ending at all.

And I am not really a literalist. I believe BioWare screwed up, and can fix the screw up (for the most part) with IT.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 05:51 .

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



Ya Gamble said " May have" about the Shepard saga being over, so speculations.

That's just another way of saying "has." I'm sorry, but that's a bit straw-graspish

Everything us ITers do is straw-graspish, am I right.

No.

Feom a literalist view yes.

No. But it is from an anti-ITer's point of view. Don't confuse them. There's a big difference.

[masster blaster]

Fine, well any luck with your project, and Chris pm you yet?

Since he is online.

Edit: Was online.

Edit: Is online again.

Edit: Was online again.

Is online again.

Off line.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 06:17 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Operation OLYMPUS: So what challenge is this supposed to be? One we are supposed to be successful or fail?

Also don't you think it's interesting that they named the operation to the greek mythology? Isn't Cerberus supposed to be filled with that? Hmmm....more pointing towards London and Cerberus. Just one more connection to add to the pile. 

1- Cerberus shuttle shard/logo next to Thanix missiles.
2- Cerberus shuttle drops Shepard off at FOB.
3- Operation name is related to Greek - Greek mythology is present in Cerberus (names) - thus London is indirectly related to Cerberus...

Interesting.... 

I'm pretty sure I remember a lot of mortals reaching tragic ends whenever they tried to make it to Mount Olympus. That's um.. that's a bit foreboding.. Okay, I'm not going to be surprised if we fail.

[masster blaster]

Oh and Estebanus it looks like in the new MP challenge, we have to um go to London because the reapers are going to London, and we have to help the resistance find out what the Reapers are doing.

[masster blaster]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Operation OLYMPUS: So what challenge is this supposed to be? One we are supposed to be successful or fail?

Also don't you think it's interesting that they named the operation to the greek mythology? Isn't Cerberus supposed to be filled with that? Hmmm....more pointing towards London and Cerberus. Just one more connection to add to the pile. 

1- Cerberus shuttle shard/logo next to Thanix missiles.
2- Cerberus shuttle drops Shepard off at FOB.
3- Operation name is related to Greek - Greek mythology is present in Cerberus (names) - thus London is indirectly related to Cerberus...

Interesting.... 

I'm pretty sure I remember a lot of mortals reaching tragic ends whenever they tried to make it to Mount Olympus. That's um.. that's a bit foreboding.. Okay, I'm not going to be surprised if we fail.

we may fail, but the Resistance will get the info on what the Reapers are doing in London.

[Leonia]

MaximizedAction wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

Yeah, I know some here are totally ok with the final boss of ME3/ME trilogy being indoc. But what about the REST OF THE GALAXY?
I get how totally philosophical and deep the final battle being not a big and epic one, but a personal and mental one. But this is just too damn egoistical and completely non-profitable. This is not a personal dissertation for some graduate student, this is a huge product. It is expected to end appropriately. And as appealing and new for a change a personal battle for an ending is, it's completely inappropriate as THE ending for a huge trilogy.

But this is my opinion.

I was just reading some of the codex entries under "The Reaper War" secondary heading and there is some GREAT stuff in there that we don't get to see in-game, that's the sort of stuff that should have shown in the ending. Instead we get to hang out with our pals on the Citadel and hear about the war by second hand eavesdropping. There didn't need to be a final boss but something more than "you might be indoctrinated" would have conveyed the emotion of the finale a lot better.

[BlazingZephyr]

leonia42 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

OMG. This frustrates the sh*t out of me more than trolls do. They are not adding new ending DLC. IT is a perspective of the ending it doesn't need continuation after ME3 to be proven. All it needs is to be proven irrefutably with evidence, or a dev releases the truth. What otter speaks of is true. All the future DLC will do is add to the ending clarifying details. (Hopefully in the favor of IT.) Not changing it. The end result will be the same. Really the discussion with the Catalyst isn't the ending. The choice is the ending.

Yeah, I know some here are totally ok with the final boss of ME3/ME trilogy being indoc. But what about the REST OF THE GALAXY?
I get how totally philosophical and deep the final battle being not a big and epic one, but a personal and mental one. But this is just too damn egoistical and completely non-profitable. This is not a personal dissertation for some graduate student, this is a huge product. It is expected to end appropriately. And as appealing and new for a change a personal battle for an ending is, it's completely inappropriate as THE ending for a huge trilogy.

But this is my opinion.

I was just reading some of the codex entries under "The Reaper War" secondary heading and there is some GREAT stuff in there that we don't get to see in-game, that's the sort of stuff that should have shown in the ending. Instead we get to hang out with our pals on the Citadel and hear about the war by second hand eavesdropping. There didn't need to be a final boss but something more than "you might be indoctrinated" would have conveyed the emotion of the finale a lot better.

I agree with this opinion as well.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Fine, well any luck with your project, and Chris pm you yet?

Since he is online.

Edit: Was online.

Edit: Is online again.

Not yet. He's probably answering messages currently.

[Lyria]

masster blaster wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Tell me about it.
There is so much Bioware could clear up about Cerberus that would fill in so many story blanks. More information on their motives, leadership, etc would help us understand why they are doing what they are doing. Could just be they want the Biotics to make phantoms, Phoenix adepts, etc. I hope its something more than forced conscription.

Well as I said already, Cerberus has been helping the Reapers, since TIM founded Cerberus.

Think
about it Cerberus was targeting galactic powers, economy, military, colony's,and never attacked the their own kind, unless they had to,
in order to keep believing what they are doing. If you read how the
Illusive Man came to be in the comics. It is clear they don"t need more
info, on why Cerberus are helping the Reapers.

So no explanation is needed for Cerberus's involvement in stealing kids. I just want Cerberus to be fleshed out more in the game. I understand TIMs origins. Is the Academy attack just toess around, what's the greater purpose. Was it a test for his Indoctrinated troops? Cerberus isn't fleshed out enough.

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Fine, well any luck with your project, and Chris pm you yet?

Since he is online.

Edit: Was online.

Edit: Is online again.

Not yet. He's probably answering messages currently.

Yes and your pm is a message to.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Fine, well any luck with your project, and Chris pm you yet?

Since he is online.

Edit: Was online.

Edit: Is online again.

Not yet. He's probably answering messages currently.

Yes and your pm is a message to.

[masster blaster]

protognosis wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Tell me about it.
There is so much Bioware could clear up about Cerberus that would fill in so many story blanks. More information on their motives, leadership, etc would help us understand why they are doing what they are doing. Could just be they want the Biotics to make phantoms, Phoenix adepts, etc. I hope its something more than forced conscription.

Well as I said already, Cerberus has been helping the Reapers, since TIM founded Cerberus.

Think
about it Cerberus was targeting galactic powers, economy, military, colony's,and never attacked the their own kind, unless they had to,
in order to keep believing what they are doing. If you read how the
Illusive Man came to be in the comics. It is clear they don"t need more
info, on why Cerberus are helping the Reapers.

So no explanation is needed for Cerberus's involvement in stealing kids. I just want Cerberus to be fleshed out more in the game. I understand TIMs origins. Is the Academy attack just toess around, what's the greater purpose. Was it a test for his Indoctrinated troops? Cerberus isn't fleshed out enough.

um what is the place that Cerberus conducts the Control Reaper forces experimants happen at.

Cerberus takes the children, and the people to Sanctuary, or gives them to the Reapers.

[smokingotter1]

masster blaster wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Regarding Operation OLYMPUS: So what challenge is this supposed to be? One we are supposed to be successful or fail?

Also don't you think it's interesting that they named the operation to the greek mythology? Isn't Cerberus supposed to be filled with that? Hmmm....more pointing towards London and Cerberus. Just one more connection to add to the pile. 

1- Cerberus shuttle shard/logo next to Thanix missiles.
2- Cerberus shuttle drops Shepard off at FOB.
3- Operation name is related to Greek - Greek mythology is present in Cerberus (names) - thus London is indirectly related to Cerberus...

Interesting.... 

I'm pretty sure I remember a lot of mortals reaching tragic ends whenever they tried to make it to Mount Olympus. That's um.. that's a bit foreboding.. Okay, I'm not going to be surprised if we fail.

we may fail, but the Resistance will get the info on what the Reapers are doing in London.

Hey guys I have a wild outside-the-box theory, I believe the resistance in Operation Olympus is going to find a conduit beam that runs to the citadel.  Did I just blow your mind?

Modifié par smokingotter1, 08 août 2012 - 06:08 .