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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Um sorry, but can comeone point me to the confirmation of IT link please? I would like for this to be true!

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Its been freacking AGES people!!!!. and I am back... For some reason XCOM enemy unknown got me back into Mass effect for a tiny bit. Reading online I came through this. I know holyday spirit and all but suck it bioware and learn!

"The other way of doing it is literally if characters can teleport, you have him teleport earlier and establish that teleportation works in this situation and this situation. You set up the rules of magic you’re working off and then you stick to them, you must stick to them. And that’s kind of how you do super technology, I think. If you have something that is really going to be a Deus Ex Machina to a story, you’ve got to set it up quite early least you insult the reader. So in my case, I showed what powers the suit could do at the start of the issue. Like in the scene where he’s doing the dueling, you see him swapping out for the UV laser. In the scene in issue #3 where it’s a stealth mission, I list his abilities at the start. You just talk about it. The limits are kind of self-enforced. It’s tricky, because you set it up with a certain amount of effort, and you have try to make people buy that. It’s like the Phoenix disruptor, you see Tony working on it for a long period of time. It doesn’t work, and then carries on working for a long period of time, and then eventually he comes to some realization at the end of AvX. So it’s that kind of thing.

link... lazy to put it

Interview to Iron Man: Stark Science III
"


Hey again...and fantastic quote there, really love it.

Putting it in regards to Mass Effect 3. I never really truly disliked the Crucible even if it was convenient. I went into the game knowing we would need something to win the war and it was established early and worked towards across the game. The problem was that we dident learn what it did until the eleventh hour and what we are told it does was completely bull within context of the universe.

On the other hand Indoctrination has been established since ME1.

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...you guys really know how to beat a dead horse don't you. Hell you don't just beat the dead horse. You got the Necronomicon revived the horse as a dread horse killed it again. Revived it again with zombie horse followers (different page in the book) and beat those to death. Then continued to beat them WITH the book until the corpses were dust then you took a vacuum cleaner sucked up the dust and proceeded to beat THAT vacuum cleaner til it was nothing but ash, dust, and vacuum.

And then you'll wake up and realize it was all a dream caused by reapers. People just can't let this theory die in the obscurity it deserves....but I've lost all faith in Mass Effect sooo do whatever you want.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Nice avatar Maximized!


Thanks ^_^!

Maybe it's not as Christmasy as yours, but maybe I'll adjust it to another event soon to take place...;)

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LadySuspense wrote...

Um sorry, but can comeone point me to the confirmation of IT link please? I would like for this to be true!

Sorry I think Coolio and Dwailing were kidding/making an entrance. I'm sure everyone would have heard by now though if it was. If you want evidence though, just look at the front page or play through the series with IT in mind.
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ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

...you guys really know how to beat a dead horse don't you. Hell you don't just beat the dead horse. You got the Necronomicon revived the horse as a dread horse killed it again. Revived it again with zombie horse followers (different page in the book) and beat those to death. Then continued to beat them WITH the book until the corpses were dust then you took a vacuum cleaner sucked up the dust and proceeded to beat THAT vacuum cleaner til it was nothing but ash, dust, and vacuum.

And then you'll wake up and realize it was all a dream caused by reapers. People just can't let this theory die in the obscurity it deserves....but I've lost all faith in Mass Effect sooo do whatever you want.

Honest question: How long did it take for you to come up with that?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Errmergerd this thread is still going?


Hey that's what my teacher says.

World History teacher

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

...you guys really know how to beat a dead horse don't you. Hell you don't just beat the dead horse. You got the Necronomicon revived the horse as a dread horse killed it again. Revived it again with zombie horse followers (different page in the book) and beat those to death. Then continued to beat them WITH the book until the corpses were dust then you took a vacuum cleaner sucked up the dust and proceeded to beat THAT vacuum cleaner til it was nothing but ash, dust, and vacuum.

And then you'll wake up and realize it was all a dream caused by reapers. People just can't let this theory die in the obscurity it deserves....but I've lost all faith in Mass Effect sooo do whatever you want.

Honest question: How long did it take for you to come up with that?


Thought it up as I typed it. Mario teaches typing went a long way for me back in the day of dial up. 

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LadySuspense wrote...

Um sorry, but can comeone point me to the confirmation of IT link please? I would like for this to be true!


I was actually just making a joke.  "IT confirmed," is basically the new, "Does this prove IT?"  I figured it would be the appropriate response to that conversation.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Its been freacking AGES people!!!!. and I am back... For some reason XCOM enemy unknown got me back into Mass effect for a tiny bit. Reading online I came through this. I know holyday spirit and all but suck it bioware and learn!

"The other way of doing it is literally if characters can teleport, you have him teleport earlier and establish that teleportation works in this situation and this situation. You set up the rules of magic you’re working off and then you stick to them, you must stick to them. And that’s kind of how you do super technology, I think. If you have something that is really going to be a Deus Ex Machina to a story, you’ve got to set it up quite early least you insult the reader. So in my case, I showed what powers the suit could do at the start of the issue. Like in the scene where he’s doing the dueling, you see him swapping out for the UV laser. In the scene in issue #3 where it’s a stealth mission, I list his abilities at the start. You just talk about it. The limits are kind of self-enforced. It’s tricky, because you set it up with a certain amount of effort, and you have try to make people buy that. It’s like the Phoenix disruptor, you see Tony working on it for a long period of time. It doesn’t work, and then carries on working for a long period of time, and then eventually he comes to some realization at the end of AvX. So it’s that kind of thing.

link... lazy to put it

Interview to Iron Man: Stark Science III
"


Hey again...and fantastic quote there, really love it.

Putting it in regards to Mass Effect 3. I never really truly disliked the Crucible even if it was convenient. I went into the game knowing we would need something to win the war and it was established early and worked towards across the game. The problem was that we dident learn what it did until the eleventh hour and what we are told it does was completely bull within context of the universe.

On the other hand Indoctrination has been established since ME1.


Actually, I should point out that the Crucible does in literal (Or at least, can do.) exactly what we wanted it to do: Destroy the Reapers.  The other two options are, again, in literal, just alternatives to our original plan.  Alternatives that are very much of questionable... well, if nothing else, morality.

Edit: I should note that there're more things questionable about Control and Synthesis than just morality, I just felt like humoring the literalists by limiting what I actually SAID to morality.

Modifié par Dwailing, 27 décembre 2012 - 08:59 .


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Hey I did not know Estebanus left the group. I know Meg did, but Estebanus.

So know we have 461 members

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ok lol, that is what I get for not getting on bsn for too long. *Sigh* oh well

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LadySuspense wrote...

ok lol, that is what I get for not getting on bsn for too long. *Sigh* oh well


Well, since you're back, stick around for a bit!  We can always use someone else to speculate with.

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And banshee, I do think it is true and the evidence is disturbingly clear and I am actually playing thorugh the series again now and I am really starting to buy into it even more. A lot of the details around the final charge start to seem way to much like IT to not take notice.

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401 Kill wrote...

byne wrote...

I'm playing Borderlands 2, and I just got a class mod for the Mechromancer called "Evil Catalyst."

Borderlands knows whats up.

Side note: Theres nothing worse than accidentally reloading and losing like 200 stacks of Anarchy.

They should make a mod for ME3 that when you are on the shooting range in the Citadel, the targets that you shoot at are images of the Catalyst. Every time you score a hit it says "SO BE IT".

HAHAHAHAHahahahahaha! OMG I WANT it!

SO BE IT. SO BE IT. SO B-

[brings out Typhoon]

:/

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Yay! Specualtion! I once saw a vid that pointed out how the foliage (Which you hadn't seen any before this part) is in the final charge to the beam and how it eerily resembles the landscape from your dream. Interesting I say!

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LadySuspense wrote...

And banshee, I do think it is true and the evidence is disturbingly clear and I am actually playing thorugh the series again now and I am really starting to buy into it even more. A lot of the details around the final charge start to seem way to much like IT to not take notice.

Yeah. It would be the weirdest conincidence if it was not intended. Very strange. People often think because most of IT's evidence can be explained as bad writing individually, they have to look at it all as a whole. Together the evidence makes IT, not each part.

Also, what are you favourite/most compelling pieces of evidence? Some of mine is the music at the end. The dream music plays when Harbinger lases you (before the EC because of the EVAC scene) and while making the choice. The Carnifex turning into a Predator is another one for me.

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About the Catalyst saying he is preserving life... um how many Reapers have died over all in the 3 Me games. Nazara, the deralect Reapers, the Proto Reaper, the one on Tali's home world, on Earth, Tuchanka, and the other Reapers that have died through out the war.

Ya all that hard work in preserving the past cycles are gone. If he wanted to preserve all life, then he is doing a sucky job at it. More over he does not care about his Reapers. If he did, then he would not put them endanger, or send them out into battle.

Also when he says the Reapers don't want war, then could it mean that the Brat does. I mean he only imply s the reapers, but not him.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

LadySuspense wrote...

And banshee, I do think it is true and the evidence is disturbingly clear and I am actually playing thorugh the series again now and I am really starting to buy into it even more. A lot of the details around the final charge start to seem way to much like IT to not take notice.

Yeah. It would be the weirdest conincidence if it was not intended. Very strange. People often think because most of IT's evidence can be explained as bad writing individually, they have to look at it all as a whole. Together the evidence makes IT, not each part.

Also, what are you favourite/most compelling pieces of evidence? Some of mine is the music at the end. The dream music plays when Harbinger lases you (before the EC because of the EVAC scene) and while making the choice. The Carnifex turning into a Predator is another one for me.


Mine is Leviathan. That's like the Golden reward for IT. Evidence wise.

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The Carnifex turning into a Predator is another one for me.


I... I have never seen this. All the stuff I've torn into and---whoa. 

Also, hi everyone! :)

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I didn't ever know that about the carnifex becoming the predator. Interesting indeed! I think what really did it for me was the aforementioned "Anderson gets shot and you magically have a wound in that area" Also just how the stressed that Shepard was emotionally becoming fragmented also I was looking through my collector's edition guide and I was reading the endings section. I found it very interesting that when you reached the appropriate benchmark for ems it states that Shepard can pick destory and live. I will post a word for word in a minute, while making my point here. It seems to me that it is pointing to indoctrination theory or something like it because it is stressing how important it is to pick destory. (Switches computers)

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Shepard: I fine that hard to believe.

Child: When fire burns is it at war, or is it just doing what it was created to do?

Shepard: But your the fire that is out of control. Your the fire that has to be put out for good. If not then you, and your Reapers will destroy everything in the galaxy. leaving nothing but a barren galaxy, as does out of control fire does.

That's why like water I will put out the fires, you and save the galaxy once and for all.

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masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Also, what are you favourite/most compelling pieces of evidence? Some of mine is the music at the end. The dream music plays when Harbinger lases you (before the EC because of the EVAC scene) and while making the choice. The Carnifex turning into a Predator is another one for me.


Mine is Leviathan. That's like the Golden reward for IT. Evidence wise.


I'd find it hard to single out the most compelling piece - but the fact that allowing TIM to kill Anderson effectively robs you of about a thousand EMS points rings alarm bells (not sure of the exact figure). There's no literal justification for how Shepard's state of mind after that confrontation can have any bearing on how well the crucible functions.

Those assets can affect whether or not you see the equally baffling breath scene.

And don't even get me started on the implausibility of Synthesis.

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Eryri wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Also, what are you favourite/most compelling pieces of evidence? Some of mine is the music at the end. The dream music plays when Harbinger lases you (before the EC because of the EVAC scene) and while making the choice. The Carnifex turning into a Predator is another one for me.


Mine is Leviathan. That's like the Golden reward for IT. Evidence wise.


I'd find it hard to single out the most compelling piece - but the fact that allowing TIM to kill Anderson effectively robs you of about a thousand EMS points rings alarm bells (not sure of the exact figure). There's no literal justification for how Shepard's state of mind after that confrontation can have any bearing on how well the crucible functions.

Those assets can affect whether or not you see the equally baffling breath scene.

And don't even get me started on the implausibility of Synthesis.




Anderson is worth a 1000 Ems? Wow ya Anderson is worth more than the
Krogan, The Geth, and every other war assets well not added together,
but ya, Further more it shows that Anderson is very special to Shepard. A
father figure,

More over Anderson has been supporting Shepard/
risking all that he has to help Shepard. Does Anderson not trust Shepard, yet at the end we have a chance to betray Anderson. Choice
ending wise.


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masster blaster wrote...

Anderson is worth a 1000 Ems? Wow ya Anderson is worth more than the 
Krogan, The Geth, and every other war assets well not added together,
but ya, Further more it shows that Anderson is very special to Shepard. A
father figure,

More over Anderson has been supporting Shepard/
risking all that he has to help Shepard. Does Anderson not trust Shepard, yet at the end we have a chance to betray Anderson. Choice
ending wise.


According to this endings guide from (spits on the floor) IGN, saving Anderson allows you to get the breath scene with 4000 - 4999 EMS, but allowing him to die sooner increases the threshold to 5000 ems. These are pre-EC numbers I assume. So I suppose you could say that Anderson is worth up to 1000 ems, depending on how much you actually have.

EDIT: I suppose you could say that this is a game mechanic that supports the IT interpretation, as it breaks the logic of the conventional justification for EMS - ie preserving the physical integrity of the Crucible during the battle.

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