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[BansheeOwnage]

LadySuspense wrote...

Banshee
"Here's how I see it: Whether intentionally or not, BW has in fact indoctrinated much of the playerbase. The fun thing about that is you can't really argue it, because said portion of the playerbase aligned themselves with the reapers willingly. If BW didn't intend this, they indoctrinated themselves, much like what the reapers may have done. "
oh how I love this quote of yours!

Thank you!

I have to go now. I'll see you later and happy speculating.

[LadySuspense]

Bye Banshee, I hope that I will have the chance to speculate with you again!

[Norlond]

Always remember...
http://www.ariva.de/redherring_a474572


cya banshee

Modifié par Norlond, 27 décembre 2012 - 11:29 .

[BansheeOwnage]

LadySuspense wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LadySuspense wrote...

I kind of just sat there when I finished the game the first time I felt like I could deal with it until a few nasty plot holes were brought to my attention. Now IT kind of patches up most of those wounds (though the handling of the Rachni will never be fixed in my opinion, but that is neither here nor there,) and gives me more pizazz to play through the games again and see if I can pick up any other tidbits. Also I would like to take the time to say that man you guys are nice on this thread! I was treated well even after asking a somewhat stupid question and made to feel like a part of the group. Thank you!

Actually, on the note of the Rachni, I find it interesting that they admitted they effectively admitted their mistakes there and apologized for the handling of that decision. Apparently they were short on time, and originally had an entirely different mission planned, but couldn't do it in time. They apologized even though it was really EA's fault. But they won't admit they made any mistake with the endings? They only valid excuse for that I can think of is IT. Just saying.

Oh thank you I didn't know that and I feel ridiculously better about that now. Wow. Yeah IT all the way. I don't want to believe that Bioware copped out. They have given us deep themes in the past why would they stop now?

Unfortunately I don't have a link to that, but it is pretty much what happened.

Edit: Don't worry, I will return.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 27 décembre 2012 - 11:31 .

[LadySuspense]

Norlond wrote...

Always remember...
http://www.ariva.de/redherring_a474572


cya banshee

What exactly are you red herring-ing? Sorry just curious?

[CoolioThane]

Red Herring is a form of Ignoratio Elenchi...or Irrelevant Conclusion

[Norlond]

Before release BioWare twittered/facebooked 5 coded images, and the last one was a red herring
They never stated what the herring was referring to

edit: found a list of the uncoded things

• 55.845 – the atomic weight of iron
• The temperature -128.5˚ Fahrenheit
• The British Secret Intelligence Service – otherwise known as MI6
• The cover of an album by The Clash
• A red herring

Modifié par Norlond, 27 décembre 2012 - 11:38 .

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Javik: Anger. Good. We can use that.
Jack: What the hell are you?

You know, now that I think about it, I'm surprised we don't hear that question more often. That was my question when I first saw Thane, but I can see why in-game characters didn't react that way. Actually living in Mass Effect, they probably knew of drell even if the player didn't. But Javik...

Indeed.  And when word gets out that a real living breathing Prothean survived the previous Cycle and is now fighting alongside Commander Shepard...

There would be crowds of people surrounding Javik at all times on the Citadel.  Not just a single Hanar and a curious Asari...?

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Javik: Anger. Good. We can use that.
Jack: What the hell are you?

You know, now that I think about it, I'm surprised we don't hear that question more often. That was my question when I first saw Thane, but I can see why in-game characters didn't react that way. Actually living in Mass Effect, they probably knew of drell even if the player didn't. But Javik...

I liked how Mordin wasnt even surprised.

[LadySuspense]

Norlond wrote...

Before release BioWare twittered/facebooked 5 coded images, and the last one was a red herring
They never stated what the herring was referring to

Intriguing. Do you have a link to the images? And just to make sure that I am clear, they were released before the game itself released?

[Norlond]

LadySuspense wrote...

Intriguing. Do you have a link to the images? And just to make sure that I am clear, they were released before the game itself released?

edited post above, haven't found the images though

[spotlessvoid]

@ Banshee yup!

[masster blaster]

Kenson
Indoctrinated by Object Rio.
told her forces to keep Shepard alive why? Harbinger told them so/ controlled Kenson.
Kenson was promised a future, and the Reapers will be their salvation.
Kenson was having nightmares.

Leviathan.
created the Intelligence so that they could stop their thralls from being killed by the Synthetics.
Leviathan controlled Organics, but can not control Synthetics.
Leviathan did not kill Shepard why
Is Leviathan telling us the whole truth?
Told us that Harbinger is the first Reaper.
Never told us where the intelligence is.

Rachni
Indoctrinated by the Reapers.
Talked about soure notes.
did not want to fight the races, but were forced to.
Why did the Brat want to weaken the galaxy/ could have endangered the races chance of preservation?
Why do the Reapers implant Reaper tech in the Rachni maybe causing the genetic material to be corrupted.

The Protheans synthetics
Forced to attack the Protheans due to Reapers controlling them.
synthesized their creators.
Why did the Brat use Synthetics to fight Organics?
Indoctrinated

The Geth
Indoctrinated/ hacked by a math error in their systems.
Used for labor/ looking for the Conduit only.
Worshiped Nazara.
wanted to become true AI's the Reapers used this.
The Geth were labeled as the bad guys.

Grayson
indoctrinated.
Implanted by Reaper tech.
controlled by the Reapers.
Test subject.

[LadySuspense]

Thank you, hmm.

[CoolioThane]

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.

-128.6 Fahrenheit Vostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

Red Herring The most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. 

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "

[Norlond]

Just noticed, they didn't post the codes before release, they posted them before ME3s announcement at VGA 2010

edit: thanks coolio

Modifié par Norlond, 27 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[masster blaster]

My Project is done.

Catalyst

Master mind.
Leader of the Reapers.
Started the cycle why? To protect Organics, form the Synthetics. To preserve all life so they won't be lost.
Responsible for the past cycles.
Betrayed his creators why? So he could continue his programing/ purpose.
Why help Shepard? Shepard has changed everything.
Is one minded.
Manipulator.
Why does it not have full control over the Citadel?
Why doesn't the brat not want to tell us about the cycle that created the crucible? Not enough time to explain, yet it talks to Shepard about the endings.
Orders the Reapers to build a conduit on Earth.
Control's TIM.
Controlled every Indoctrinated person.
promised All Indoctrinated agents that if they helped the Reapers, then they will be spared/ pro missed a future to look forward to.

Harbinger

The first Reaper.
General of the Reapers/ the right hand of the Catalyst,
How is he controlled?
why did Harbinger not betray his creator?
Prime suspect to be the Catalyst at the end.
Why does Harbinger display independence if he is being controlled?
Why not kill Shepard in arrival, and the beam run?
Is ordered to begin the harvest of humanity/ create the first Reaper of this cycle.
Why does Harbinger not try to hunt down Shepard? Is leading the Reapers at Earth.

Nazara, or Sovereign

Is Harbingers/ the Brat's LT.
Why use the Geth to attack Organics, if the brat is telling the Reapers to protect Organics from Synthetics? Needs to find a way to get into the Citadel/ find the Prothean beacons.
Why would Nazara dispose the Geth after the Reapers come back? They are no more use to Him/ the brat.
Wanted Shepard is an ally.
Indoctrinated Saren.
Promised Saren that he would live/ the Reapers will spare anyone that does not stop them.
Hates Organics/ told Shepard that Organics are an error.


Saren.

Indoctrinated when he meet Nazara.
Slowly was Indoctrinated by the Monolith
Wanted to Destroy humanity for the death of his Brother.
Told Shepard that he was trying to save everyone by fusing man, and machine together.
The Reapers control him.
Influenced people to join him by Indoctrination/ his reputation.
Betrayed everyone by joining the Reapers.


end of part 1.

TIM

Why does he betray humanity? He is Indoctrinated.
Why experiment on his own kind?
Why does he order his troops to attack the galactic races? Reapers are telling him to do so.
Why does he not want Shepard dead?
How does TIM know about Thessia before Shepard can find out?
Why did TIM attack the Citadel?
Why leave Shepard the VI if he didn't want Shepard to have it?
Why does TIM want to implant Reaper tech in him? So he can Control the Reapers?
protector of humanity.
List his friends to the Reapers.
Why would TIM implant his troops with Reaper tech? To increase their combat skills, and test to see if he can control them.
If TIM was trying to Control the Reapers, then shouldn't the Reapers not know about his side project?


Indoctrinated Protheans/ Collectors

Wanted to Control the Reapers. Didn't end well
Became collectors.
Tried to stop the their own kind from Destroying the Reapers.
Their weapons cause them pain why?
Indoctrinated.
sabotaged the Crucible.
Can be controlled by Harbinger, yet not by any other Reaper that we know of,
Nothing left of them because the Reapers synthesis them to much.

Benezia.

Liara's mom.
Tried to help Saren, but became Indoctrinated.


Rana

Indoctrinated by the Reaper tech on Virmirer,
killed Asari high command if Shepard let her live.
Convinced Shepard that she was not Indoctrinated.
Told Shepard about Indoctrination, and how it feels like.

End of part 2
]
[/b][/u]Kenson

Indoctrinated by Object Rio.
told her forces to keep Shepard alive why? Harbinger told them so/ controlled Kenson.
Kenson was promised a future, and the Reapers will be their salvation.
Kenson was having nightmares.

Leviathan.

created the Intelligence so that they could stop their thralls from being killed by the Synthetics.
Leviathan controlled Organics, but can not control Synthetics.
Leviathan did not kill Shepard why
Is Leviathan telling us the whole truth?
Told us that Harbinger is the first Reaper.
Never told us where the intelligence is.

Rachni

Indoctrinated by the Reapers.
Talked about soure notes.
did not want to fight the races, but were forced to.
Why did the Brat want to weaken the galaxy/ could have endangered the races chance of preservation?
Why do the Reapers implant Reaper tech in the Rachni maybe causing the genetic material to be corrupted.

The Protheans synthetics

Forced to attack the Protheans due to Reapers controlling them.
synthesized their creators.
Why did the Brat use Synthetics to fight Organics?
Indoctrinated

The Geth

Indoctrinated/ hacked by a math error in their systems.
Used for labor/ looking for the Conduit only.
Worshiped Nazara.
wanted to become true AI's the Reapers used this.
The Geth were labeled as the bad guys.

Grayson

indoctrinated.
Implanted by Reaper tech.
controlled by the Reapers.
Test subject.
https://www.google.c...=univ&sa=X&ei=O

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 décembre 2012 - 12:00 .

[spotlessvoid]

Exactly MB.Anyone who says empirically that the Reapers just want Shepard dead should ask why he wasn't killed while he was knocked out in Arrival.

[Andromidius]

CoolioThane wrote...

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

And the UK Secret Service's HQ is in central London, near Westminster (i.e. Big Ben).

[LadySuspense]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Exactly MB.Anyone who says empirically that the Reapers just want Shepard dead should ask why he wasn't killed while he was knocked out in Arrival.

Too true. Arrival made me feel all weird while playing it. I mean wow. You are around a fully operational reaper artifact thing for two days (where in my opinion the indoctrination started or at least got stronger,) and this isn't evidence to people when those people investigating the derelict reaper were indoctrinated by a non functioning reaper?!? No sir.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Javik: Anger. Good. We can use that.
Jack: What the hell are you?

You know, now that I think about it, I'm surprised we don't hear that question more often. That was my question when I first saw Thane, but I can see why in-game characters didn't react that way. Actually living in Mass Effect, they probably knew of drell even if the player didn't. But Javik...

I liked how Mordin wasnt even surprised.

That is the single greatest thing ever. Of all time.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The only case of not Canifex for the lose seems to be killing Legion. Though why I cant quite comprehend.

Oh I can quite comprehend why Legion is killed with the Predator.

But god forbid suggesting that Legion is indoctrinated in the IT thread.

You'll be the victim of endless ridicule. *eyeroll*

[LadySuspense]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The only case of not Canifex for the lose seems to be killing Legion. Though why I cant quite comprehend.

Oh I can quite comprehend why Legion is killed with the Predator.

But god forbid suggesting that Legion is indoctrinated in the IT thread.

You'll be the victim of endless ridicule. *eyeroll*

Now I am curious. Why do you think he is? I at least won't ridicule you.

[Pascal219]

LadySuspense wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The only case of not Canifex for the lose seems to be killing Legion. Though why I cant quite comprehend. 

Oh I can quite comprehend why Legion is killed with the Predator.

But god forbid suggesting that Legion is indoctrinated in the IT thread. 

You'll be the victim of endless ridicule. *eyeroll*

Now I am curious. Why do you think he is? I at least won't ridicule you.

I believe because Legion upgrades himself with (remnants of) reaper code. To which I still believe DD has a point.

Even though Legion is my friend and I rather believe him. Damn you DD!

Modifié par Pascal219, 28 décembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[LadySuspense]

What the heck where did everyone go?