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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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CmdrShep80 wrote...

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The Predator's the default pistol, it will inevitably appear places where there's no symbolism. That doesn't mean there can't ever be any with it at all, that's silly.


The idea is just assume 100% the predator is symbolized as freedom from indoctrination.  I'm wondering if we're looking at the scene wrong by focusing too much on the players and not the symbol

Well, let's look at it this way. Legion, a friend, now becomes hostile for Shepard not giving the Geth a chance. Legion tries to kill you. "Betraying friends" applies to this. That is the best I can take from this. I'm just saying that we should look at it from both sides. The Predator may very well be used in this situation due to it being the default weapon.

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401 Kill wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The Predator's the default pistol, it will inevitably appear places where there's no symbolism. That doesn't mean there can't ever be any with it at all, that's silly.


The idea is just assume 100% the predator is symbolized as freedom from indoctrination.  I'm wondering if we're looking at the scene wrong by focusing too much on the players and not the symbol

Well, let's look at it this way. Legion, a friend, now becomes hostile for Shepard not giving the Geth a chance. Legion tries to kill you. "Betraying friends" applies to this. That is the best I can take from this. I'm just saying that we should look at it from both sides. The Predator may very well be used in this situation due to it being the default weapon.


I know you're just trying to look at it from both sides, but that's the same logic that blames the Geth for the morning war. Legion attacks Shepard because Shepard's going to allow the death of his entire race, the code isn't that relevant here.

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Hrothdane wrote...

There is no "Deception" book, but there is this rage comic.


Oh... 

my... 

God!

I'd heard that Deception was a bit of a let down, but blimey!

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know what's odd...Stay near the reaper and the reaper shoots you it kills you. If you run all over it still finds you. Run to the back of the missile level and it ignores you after you're a certain distance away. There you can kill all the other enemies in peace. Yet the Reaper still doesn't destroy the second missile battery

EDIT - it's odd that the Reaper during the missile battery ignores you at the rough distance that you and the Normandy would be sitting from Harbinger.

Seriously go closer than the first missile battery and the reaper resumes trying to kill you and the beam attempts to follow you unless you stand still then you die.  Go further back away from the first missile battery and the reaper just ignores you.  I went and killed all the banshees at my leisurely pace out of cover then hooked it to the 2nd missile battery and clicked launch

It really is similar to the distance the Normandy sits away from Harbinger.  Any distance further it's like Harbinger and this Reaper can't see you.  Almost as if they have a built in blind spot

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 28 décembre 2012 - 06:51 .


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I love this thread, It's always the last thing I read every night. I lie in bed and read a half dozen pages or so on my tablet and fall asleep.

Also, I'm sure everyone has seen the series on YouTube "Mass Effect: Choose Wisely"? There are three so far, they're great!

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Since I'm assuming for the moment the predator=the weapon that is the symbol of freedom of indoctrination 100% with no doubts. If someone else that is not legion is firing the weapon, what does it mean? In all the previous instances of the symbol the person with the predator is killing themselves. So why can't Legion be the same way and take the predator and shoot himself if supposively he is indoctrinated as stated by the need to shoot him with the symbol for freedom from indoctrination?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I know you're just trying to look at it from both sides, but that's the same logic that blames the Geth for the morning war. Legion attacks Shepard because Shepard's going to allow the death of his entire race, the code isn't that relevant here.

Ahh, I when reading your post, it reminded me of Wrex becoming hostile to you if you sabatoge the Genophage cure. Is a Pedator used to kill him in both ME and ME3?(Sorry, I don't know because I have never done either before).

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ChristianHarper wrote...

I love this thread, It's always the last thing I read every night. I lie in bed and read a half dozen pages or so on my tablet and fall asleep.

Also, I'm sure everyone has seen the series on YouTube "Mass Effect: Choose Wisely"? There are three so far, they're great!

Funny, that is actually what I am doing now!:D

If I just stop posting soon I probobly fell asleep! 
For future reference...

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ChristianHarper wrote...

I love this thread, It's always the last thing I read every night. I lie in bed and read a half dozen pages or so on my tablet and fall asleep.

Also, I'm sure everyone has seen the series on YouTube "Mass Effect: Choose Wisely"? There are three so far, they're great!


+1 to read in bed

+1 to catch up the IT thread in bed

+1 to watch vids in bed

+1 to watch the choose wisely vids in bed and go to sleep knowing IT is right

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401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I know you're just trying to look at it from both sides, but that's the same logic that blames the Geth for the morning war. Legion attacks Shepard because Shepard's going to allow the death of his entire race, the code isn't that relevant here.

Ahh, I when reading your post, it reminded me of Wrex becoming hostile to you if you sabatoge the Genophage cure. Is a Pedator used to kill him in both ME and ME3?(Sorry, I don't know because I have never done either before).


You kill Wrex with a Carnifex in 3.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

know what's odd...Stay near the reaper and the reaper shoots you it kills you. If you run all over it still finds you. Run to the back of the missile level and it ignores you after you're a certain distance away. There you can kill all the other enemies in peace. Yet the Reaper still doesn't destroy the second missile battery

EDIT (just realized this would be the orginal edit hence the edits being out of order like they are) - it's odd that the Reaper during the missile battery ignores you at the rough distance that you and the Normandy would be sitting from Harbinger.

Seriously go closer than the first missile battery and the reaper resumes trying to kill you and the beam attempts to follow you unless you stand still then you die.  Go further back away from the first missile battery and the reaper just ignores you.  I went and killed all the banshees at my leisurely pace out of cover then hooked it to the 2nd missile battery and clicked launch

It really is similar to the distance the Normandy sits away from Harbinger.  Any distance further it's like Harbinger and this Reaper can't see you.  Almost as if they have a built in blind spot


Not sure if my edit will get noticed way up top.  Now back to your normally scheduled post from a post ago:

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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BleedingUranium wrote...
I know you're just trying to look at it from both sides, but that's the same logic that blames the Geth for the morning war. Legion attacks Shepard because Shepard's going to allow the death of his entire race, the code isn't that relevant here.

Ahh, I when reading your post, it reminded me of Wrex becoming hostile to you if you sabatoge the Genophage cure. Is a Pedator used to kill him in both ME and ME3?(Sorry, I don't know because I have never done either before).

You kill Wrex with a Carnifex in 3.


EDIT 2 -  to answer just before me above - yet the carnifex symbol denotes a bad thing as someone put it so killing Wrex would = the wrong thing in ME 3.  Had Wrex been shot with a Predator then we would be freeing him from indoctrincation as the predator symbol represents.  (I'm still just trying to look at the symbol's intent assuming they are 100% valid and true all the time no matter what we're shown and not just look at the players involved in the scene).  It's the little things BioWare does that are often just off to the side or a small token to the larger plot that seems important in this game more often

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 28 décembre 2012 - 06:57 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I know you're just trying to look at it from both sides, but that's the same logic that blames the Geth for the morning war. Legion attacks Shepard because Shepard's going to allow the death of his entire race, the code isn't that relevant here.

Ahh, I when reading your post, it reminded me of Wrex becoming hostile to you if you sabatoge the Genophage cure. Is a Pedator used to kill him in both ME and ME3?(Sorry, I don't know because I have never done either before).


You kill Wrex with a Carnifex in 3.

Thats interesting... I wonder why a Carnefix is not used on Legion (Shooting him is optional... Okay I shot him, but only once!)

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

ChristianHarper wrote...

I love this thread, It's always the last thing I read every night. I lie in bed and read a half dozen pages or so on my tablet and fall asleep.

Also, I'm sure everyone has seen the series on YouTube "Mass Effect: Choose Wisely"? There are three so far, they're great!


+1 to read in bed

+1 to catch up the IT thread in bed

+1 to watch vids in bed

+1 to watch the choose wisely vids in bed and go to sleep knowing IT is right


Alright, I've got a +4 bonus to resist Indoctrination!

Night gang!  -_-

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401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I know you're just trying to look at it from both sides, but that's the same logic that blames the Geth for the morning war. Legion attacks Shepard because Shepard's going to allow the death of his entire race, the code isn't that relevant here.

Ahh, I when reading your post, it reminded me of Wrex becoming hostile to you if you sabatoge the Genophage cure. Is a Pedator used to kill him in both ME and ME3?(Sorry, I don't know because I have never done either before).


You kill Wrex with a Carnifex in 3.

Thats interesting... I wonder why a Carnefix is not used on Legion (Shooting him is optional... Okay I shot him, but only once!)


I agree it's odd, but it doesn't change my mind about DD's EvilGeth idea.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

ChristianHarper wrote...

I love this thread, It's always the last thing I read every night. I lie in bed and read a half dozen pages or so on my tablet and fall asleep.

Also, I'm sure everyone has seen the series on YouTube "Mass Effect: Choose Wisely"? There are three so far, they're great!


+1 to read in bed

+1 to catch up the IT thread in bed

+1 to watch vids in bed

+1 to watch the choose wisely vids in bed and go to sleep knowing IT is right

+1 to listen to An End Once and For All while going to sleep. It almost makes me want to play again, if only to slaughter Reaper troops mercilously with my favorite squad setup.

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so lol this is quite fun! I decided to play around with the beam run. I am currently standing at the edge of the cliff. Harbinger is perfectly blasting everyone on target with no problems aiming. I'm just standing here and he's ignoring me. By the way endless soldiers are just running to get blasted...don't these transports have a personnel limit? There was only a couple rolling along at the end?

EDIT - Interesting, if I stand in the corner of the cliff where he's behind the beam tower, he can't see me and I can keep the soldiers from spawning...he actually stops firing.  Then when I look anywhere soldiers spwan and with deadly acuracy 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 soldiers gone poof!

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 28 décembre 2012 - 07:04 .


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ChristianHarper wrote...

Alright, I've got a +4 bonus to resist Indoctrination!

Night gang!  -_-


Use it well!

Goodnight, dream of evil glowing kids tonight*




*Don't actually do that

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

so lol this is quite fun! I decided to play around with the beam run. I am currently standing at the edge of the cliff. Harbinger is perfectly blasting everyone on target with no problems aiming. I'm just standing here and he's ignoring me. By the way endless soldiers are just running to get blasted...don't these transports have a personnel limit? There was only a couple rolling along at the end?

EDIT - Interesting, if I stand in the corner of the cliff where he's behind the beam tower, he can't see me and I can keep the soldiers from spawning...he actually stops firing.  Then when I look anywhere soldiers spwan and with deadly acuracy 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 soldiers gone poof!

Maybe if you stand there long enough, somebody will eventually make it, and you'll get a new ending!

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Refuse is never a good choice.

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OMG I just discovered something absolutely amazing!

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

OMG I just discovered something absolutely amazing!


No.





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The dream starts before harbinger shoots you

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Refuse is never a good choice.

I really like that last line because it's basically true. You are going to not follow through with your goal of destroying the Reapers because... Their leader talked you out of it? 

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

The dream starts before harbinger shoots you


That's pretty much a given with EC. Without EC it's debated, but getting lazed makes the most sense.


401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Refuse is never a good choice.

I really like that last line because it's basically true. You are going to not follow through with your goal of destroying the Reapers because... Their leader talked you out of it?


Exactly! Name me one hero that's won by not having the courage to do what is necessary.

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Remember the dream trees in the sequence on the beam run. So I was having fun like I posted earlier and suddenly I was standing on a dream tree/bush. I was like wtf?! So I walked away and was seeing other things like a fire in the mini bush forest. So I walked away further and some of the bushes disappeared! I reloaded again and found at least one spot and bam right after the transport goes boom I find my little bush tree and watch it with a sniper scope and it grows right before my eyes. I walk backwards and it shrinks and disappears! WTF?