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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Remember the dream trees in the sequence on the beam run. So I was having fun like I posted earlier and suddenly I was standing on a dream tree/bush. I was like wtf?! So I walked away and was seeing other things like a fire in the mini bush forest. So I walked away further and some of the bushes disappeared! I reloaded again and found at least one spot and bam right after the transport goes boom I find my little bush tree and watch it with a sniper scope and it grows right before my eyes. I walk backwards and it shrinks and disappears! WTF?


That's called draw distance, things far away don't load until they get close enough.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

The dream starts before harbinger shoots you


That's pretty much a given with EC. Without EC it's debated, but getting lazed makes the most sense.


401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Refuse is never a good choice.

I really like that last line because it's basically true. You are going to not follow through with your goal of destroying the Reapers because... Their leader talked you out of it?


Exactly! Name me one hero that's one by not having the courage to do what is necessary.


Well we kept saying that the dream doesn't start until AFTER harbinger shoots at you yet here I am standing in the middle of a battlefield and I'm seeing trees that shouldn't be there.  Harbinger is completely ignoring me (I'm going off a theory from the missle battle I just finished that the Reaper will ignore me at a certain distance which isn't completely proven, I need to try the one on Tunchanka to really prove or disprove that the Reapers will ignore you since it really tries to kill you there.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Remember the dream trees in the sequence on the beam run. So I was having fun like I posted earlier and suddenly I was standing on a dream tree/bush. I was like wtf?! So I walked away and was seeing other things like a fire in the mini bush forest. So I walked away further and some of the bushes disappeared! I reloaded again and found at least one spot and bam right after the transport goes boom I find my little bush tree and watch it with a sniper scope and it grows right before my eyes. I walk backwards and it shrinks and disappears! WTF?


That's called draw distance, things far away don't load until they get close enough.


I have all of my graphics turned on super high.  The bush trees aren't that far away.  Only about the width of at worse 3 transport vehicles.  So why not just generate them when I arrive already since there's no reason to draw them after when I'm standing on them

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By the way the trees are horribly drawn if you are just standing right next to them. They're 2D

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BleedingUranium wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Refuse is never a good choice.

I really like that last line because it's basically true. You are going to not follow through with your goal of destroying the Reapers because... Their leader talked you out of it?


Exactly! Name me one hero that's won by not having the courage to do what is necessary.

TIM.

Oh wait, when it came down to it he couldnt do it 'cause he "need(s) you to believe".

And he was evil...

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

By the way the trees are horribly drawn if you are just standing right next to them. They're 2D


Triple-A class BioWare quality. Gotta love it. I still think the 2D arcade sprites in the prologue are the best though. :lol:

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Seriously I'm going to do something with what I just found out

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Seriously I'm going to do something with what I just found out

And what is that?

Modifié par paxxton, 28 décembre 2012 - 07:37 .


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paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Seriously I'm going to do something with what I just found out

And what is that?


Why find a way to show you all what I just found!

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I think what I was doing was practically showing why at least the beam run is pretty much a given to not being a real scene. Therefore everything after is not real too. I'm sure if I replay London enough (if I had endless time) I could find the first point where reality truly noticibly stops

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I did find out that the further down I went the more realistic the trees became until I could eventually touch one. Shortly after that I get blown by Harbinger's beam

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The temperature -128.5° Fahrenheit

Freezing point of Heptane (close to anyway). From wikipedia:

"In the grease spot test, heptane is used to dissolve the oil spot to show the previous presence of organic compounds on a stained paper. This is done by shaking the stained paper in a heptane solution for about half a minute."


It's the lowest temperature ever recorded on Earth. Vostok Station in Antarctica.

Dwailing wrote...

Huh, that could be a reference to how Shepard is "disolving" Reaper influence. Or something. And since we're spitballing, the atomic weight of iron could be a reference to Shepard's iron will. Or something, again.


The iron part is generally agreed upon to be a reference to Feros. The Thorian.

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@Rif

So, Feros and Noveria?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

@Rif

So, Feros and Noveria?

This must mean... Ilos! Or Therum. Or Virmire. Nukes for everyone!

Goodnight!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

@Rif

So, Feros and Noveria?

This must mean... Ilos! Or Therum. Or Virmire. Nukes for everyone!

Goodnight!


Ditto for me too.  I'm going to work on some things tomorrow after work.  If I finish I'll see what I can do to show you.  Can't say its the best in the world but I hope it gets at what I'm trying to say

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

By the way the trees are horribly drawn if you are just standing right next to them. They're 2D


Triple-A class BioWare quality. Gotta love it. I still think the 2D arcade sprites in the prologue are the best though. :lol:


Sure, you need to make amends so that old systems like Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 can handle the graphics.

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Humakt83 wrote...

London calling to the faraway towns (calling to resistance? to get civilians into the open?)
Now war is declared, and battle come down (pretty obvious)
London calling to the underworld (calling to resistance?)
Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls (people getting into the open to be used for processing/indoctrination)
London calling, now don't look to us
Phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust
London calling, see we ain't got no swing
'Cept for the ring of that truncheon thing (truncheon + ring = closed Citadel?)

[Chorus 1:]
The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in (could be a reference to dark energy plot)
Meltdown expected, the wheat is growing thin (destroy ending?)
Engines stop running, but I have no fear (destroy ending?)
'Cause London is drowning, and I live by the river

London calling to the imitation zone (the many similarities to the earlier missions of the end?)
Forget it, brother, you can go it alone (Shepard is alone at the end?)
London calling to the zombies of death (calling husks to join the battle? calling Shepard? (s)he died once)
Quit holding out, and draw another breath (breath scene)
London calling, and I don't wanna shout
But while we were talking, I saw you nodding out
London calling, see we ain't got no high
Except for that one with the yellowy eyes (Harbinger?)

[Chorus 2: x2]
The ice age is coming, the sun's zooming in
Engines stop running, the wheat is growing thin
A nuclear error, but I have no fear
'Cause London is drowning, and I live by the river

Now get this

London calling, yes, I was there, too
An' you know what they said? Well, some of it was true! (referencing lies by Illusive Man/Child/someone else? or that some of what occurred was real?)
London calling at the top of the dial
After all this, won't you give me a smile? (after all you've been through Anderson acts rather unfriendly)
London calling

I never felt so much alike [fading] alike alike alike

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Wow. Those lyrics.

Cover: London in red letters, calling in green. What is calling from the London? :devil:


Added some comments to dissect the lyrics, in order to see how they fit the Priority: Earth and the ending.

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repost for additional information

CoolioThane wrote...

 London Calling - The ClashThe ending takes place in London, clash representing the conflict taking place.
Delve deeper into the record, notice some of the tracks:
i) London Calling
ii) Hateful
iii) Death or Glory
iv) Four Horsemen
v) I'm Not Down
vi) Revolution Rock

Now, obviously, I'm looking too far into the album, but it interests me. These tracks strike me as fitting in with the ending. Hatred from and towards the Reapers, the four horsemen of the apocalypse indicating what could happen if we fail. Death or glory, success or total annihilation. Revolution against the norm, the norm being a Reaper victory and thus ending the cycle.

Atomic Weight of Iron
55.845 +/- 0.002 u
Fe, Atomic Number: 26 

Famous iron canyons of Aequitas...another link to indoctrination and the potential Leviathan DLC - if we are right in suggesting the DLC may take place at Aequitas. If it does not, it is still another link to indoctrination, with the device in ME2.

Or if you're mental you could look at it like this (This is just for fun, I don't actually believe this):
26 is the Atomic Number
The crystalline structure is Cubic...cubes have 6 faces...

26/6 is the day the Extended Cut was released - CONCLUSIVE (lol)

UK Secret Service
Provides the government with foreign intelligence - maybe a nudge towards Earth being supplied information from "foreign" planets, maybe but this is a reach. Though we do provide Anderson and Earth with info throughout the game?

Moving on, I suspect it's something to do with Reaper spies within London, purely because the Indoctrination Codezx entry mentions this sort of thing and it makes perfect sense. Coates being the Reaper thrall makes sense, considering he was by himself fighting Reapers for days and so his mind likely would have been weakened...could also fit with why we clearly see the warning sign next to him on the Mako similar to the signs near the kid on Vancouver.

[u][b][color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">-128.6 Fahrenheit ]Vostok Station, Antarctica - -128.6 Fahrenheit the coldest temperature recorded on Earth[/color]

Vostok System - Alko, Clomarthu, Nodacrux, Pataiton, .ALKO - Unregistered starship travel, travel not recommended
CLOMARTHU - Could be Earth's twin (size and orbit) but no life
NODACRUX - Very interesting. Abandoned facility with Thorian Creepers (Indoctrination) thus links in with the hinted Leviathan DLC - Also space cows xD
PATAITON - Meh, just a Matriarch writing Tali discovers on ship

Nodacrux interests me greatly. Especially with there being mentions to Thorians in the hinted DLC...this could prove to be a link to these clues

May also just point to Lake Vostok in Eastern Antarcitca, where scientists (Now, in the present 2012) hypothesise new life could be found in the underwater lake...maybe hinting there could be something in the lake that's been hidden for thousands of years...an Ancient species, a weapon, plans? This is purely **** thoughts and bull - I'm sure it relates to the Vostok system, specifically Nodacrux and its Thorian creepers.

[u][b][color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">Red Herring ]The most interesting of all. Red Herring, also known as IGNORATIO ELENCHI...which translates to - which I find absolutely perfect - IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION, or FALLACY OF DISTRACTION. [/color]

"deliberate attempt to divert a process of enquiry by changing the subject. For example: "I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students. I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected."[/i] Here the second sentence, though used to support the first, does not address the topic of the first sentence, instead switching the focus to the quite different topic of lecturer salaries. "


And wow, I didn't know Deception was THAT bad
At least you can't blame BioWare, since their writers didn't write that piece of [insert insult here]

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BleedingUranium wrote...

@Rif

So, Feros and Noveria?


Possible. The more face value interpretation is the Vostok star system.

Humakt83 wrote...

Sure, you need to make amends so that old systems like Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 can handle the graphics.


Or just piece of **** ones, like the Wii U.

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Hmm. I flycammed around Dr. Bryson's office taking a closer-than-legitimately-possible look at stuff like screens and pictures. Interesting stuff. Not sure what, if anything, it means...

One of the computer screens is giving data in red, blue, and green over top of each other (yes yes, very funny BW). It's a little too techy for me, and I'm at least an advanced intermediate with computers. What I did get was an IP address that's registered to a wikimedia server in the Netherlands. Likely it's just some random crap they used to fill the 'unreadable' screen but worth a mention.

Lots of pictures around... the one that interests me most is the one of the Thorian. There's a turian that, going by his clan markings, I believe is Nihlus. There's a picture with "wind 300 kph" on it. That's the speed of the winds gusting around the Derelict Reaper in ME2.

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Is anyone here aware of an imminent announcement of the next MP Operation?

Modifié par paxxton, 28 décembre 2012 - 01:05 .


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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

By the way the trees are horribly drawn if you are just standing right next to them. They're 2D


Triple-A class BioWare quality. Gotta love it. I still think the 2D arcade sprites in the prologue are the best though. :lol:

   


and they are running towards the thing that is trying to kill them.  well........sort of.

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dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

By the way the trees are horribly drawn if you are just standing right next to them. They're 2D


Triple-A class BioWare quality. Gotta love it. I still think the 2D arcade sprites in the prologue are the best though. :lol:

   


and they are running towards the thing that is trying to kill them.  well........sort of.

Those are lesser minds of the human race that got indoctrinated the fastest. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image jk

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dorktainian wrote...

and they are running towards the thing that is trying to kill them.  well........sort of.


Mass Effect fans rushing to admire life-sized replica of Sovereign.

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Humakt83 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

and they are running towards the thing that is trying to kill them.  well........sort of.


Mass Effect fans rushing to admire life-sized replica of Sovereign.


"Wow, it's so realistic!  ...  OH GOD, MY FLESH!  TOO REALISTIC, TOO REALISTIC!"