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[dorktainian]

playing ME1 on the ps3 the other day and i was in the lift with garrus and tali..... low and behold i watch tali disappear through the floor while the lift was moving while miraculously re-appearing when the elevator door opened I sense shenanigans.

[BansheeOwnage]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I can confirm that this happens all the time. Was actually going to remind everyone yesterday.

Hello all!

Hello, Banshee. How was your Christmas?

Good thank you. Supposed to get N7 hoodie and shoes but they haven't arrived yet.

What about you?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I can confirm that this happens all the time. Was actually going to remind everyone yesterday.

Hello all!

Hello, Banshee. How was your Christmas?

Good thank you. Supposed to get N7 hoodie and shoes but they haven't arrived yet.

What about you?

I had a great Christmas, thank you for asking. Got many great presents, hanged out with the entire family, and was able to spend two days with my best friend whom I haven't seen in six months.

[Dwailing]

Well, it appears that www.masseffect.com is back up. I wonder why it went down?

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Heh, just saw this shot:

Shepard is holding an invisible gun here. Trigger finger!

I'm pretty sure that the gun normally is there. Maybe I should check myself. Probably just a glitch, though.

I can confirm that this happens all the time. Was actually going to remind everyone yesterday.

Hello all!

Yes, this is something that happens all the time.  Could it be meant to suggest that Shepard's defenses are weakened?

Hello Banshee.

Or it's just a bug. That's happened several times in ME3, ME2, and in ME1. 

Actually, I've just finished Feros like 5 minutes ago, and I encountered a scene which was pretty funny. Shepard was standing with her squaddies in front of the entrance to the thorian's lair, and all their weapons were strapped to their backs, but the way they held their arms made it look like they were handling invisible weapons.

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

Well, it appears that www.masseffect.com is back up. I wonder why it went down?

Maintenance, perhaps? Maybe they simply updated the site?

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Heh, just saw this shot:

Shepard is holding an invisible gun here. Trigger finger!

I'm pretty sure that the gun normally is there. Maybe I should check myself. Probably just a glitch, though.

I can confirm that this happens all the time. Was actually going to remind everyone yesterday.

Hello all!

Yes, this is something that happens all the time.  Could it be meant to suggest that Shepard's defenses are weakened?

Hello Banshee.

Or it's just a bug. That's happened several times in ME3, ME2, and in ME1. 

Actually, I've just finished Feros like 5 minutes ago, and I encountered a scene which was pretty funny. Shepard was standing with her squaddies in front of the entrance to the thorian's lair, and all their weapons were strapped to their backs, but the way they held their arms made it look like they were handling invisible weapons.

When I say, "All the time," I mean quite litterally ALL the time.  As in, every playthrough.  A bug/glitch only shows up sometimes.  Does that scene on Feros ALWAYS show Shep & Co. as being unarmed?  If not, then it's definitely a bug/glitch, while, I'm pretty sure, the missing gun with the Catalyst is ALWAYS missing.  And besides, they could have patched that out with the EC if they wanted to.  They removed being able to walk through the Keepers on the "Citadel" at the ending.

Modifié par Dwailing, 28 décembre 2012 - 09:38 .

[Rifneno]

I'm sure Shepard's indoctrinated eyes in control/destroy are also bugs.

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

I'm sure Shepard's indoctrinated eyes in control/synthesis are also bugs.

Fixed.

Edit: And no, they're not bugs, they're, "Badd riting, lulz."

Modifié par Dwailing, 28 décembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I'm sure Shepard's indoctrinated eyes in control/synthesis are also bugs.

Fixed.

Opps.  Sorry.  There was a bug in my fingers too I guess.

[cyrexwingblade]

You realize that for IT to be true and the most accurate representation of the ending, that Bioware would have had to put more work into the planning phase? And a great deal of detail-work throughout the game.

A game where *guns appear out of nowhere*, animation glitches abound, dialogue glitches break constantly, and it took a few months to fix the face-import system?

Do you really think the same team could pull that off? IT is simply giving Bioware too much credit.

IT would mean the game is a literary masterpiece of audience-bending genius.

It matters not. IT-supporters will simply feel endless frustration or inevitable disappointment. It requires that two of the three endings, already re-worked extensively, are just lies/tricks, and that the audience members who chose them are wrong or failures. That would be an artistically brave step, and very stupid for business.

I doubt Bioware's priorities are set that way.

[estebanus]

Rifneno wrote...

I'm sure Shepard's indoctrinated eyes in control/destroy are also bugs.

Sure. They're probably crawling on her eyes right there, which is why they look so weird. Maybe reaper nanides look like bugs, and that's what we're seeing?

[CoolioThane]

That's your opinion cryblade, but we think Bioware are capable of it. You are talking like you know the future though, which is quite poor on your part.

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I'm sure Shepard's indoctrinated eyes in control/synthesis are also bugs.

Fixed.

Edit: And no, they're not bugs, they're, "Badd riting, lulz."

No. That has nothing to do with bad writing. That's how they made Shepard look, because like it or not, connecting with reaper technology does have this habit of making you their willingless slaves. Bad writing is the crucible. 

[DoomsdayDevice]

Only Doomsday knows the future, everybody knows that.

I have seen the top of the mountain, and it is good.

[Rifneno]

CoolioThane wrote...

That's your opinion cryblade, but we think Bioware are capable of it. You are talking like you know the future though, which is quite poor on your part.

Just ignore it.  It'll wander off soon enough.

[Dwailing]

cyrexwingblade wrote...

You realize that for IT to be true and the most accurate representation of the ending, that Bioware would have had to put more work into the planning phase? And a great deal of detail-work throughout the game.

A game where *guns appear out of nowhere*, animation glitches abound, dialogue glitches break constantly, and it took a few months to fix the face-import system?

Do you really think the same team could pull that off? IT is simply giving Bioware too much credit.

IT would mean the game is a literary masterpiece of audience-bending genius.

It matters not. IT-supporters will simply feel endless frustration or inevitable disappointment. It requires that two of the three endings, already re-worked extensively, are just lies/tricks, and that the audience members who chose them are wrong or failures. That would be an artistically brave step, and very stupid for business.

I doubt Bioware's priorities are set that way.

You know, about 15 years ago, odds are if you told someone that a game like Bioshock would come out, with it's massive twist revealing that (MASSIVE SPOILERS) you've really been under the control of another character in the game, that person would have LOL'd.  And ten years ago, if you told someone that a game like Spec Ops: The Line, which completely and utterly deconstructs the shooter genre and is MEANT to make the player feel like a horrible person, would come out, odds are, again, they would laugh.  And in both cases, they'd probably tell you that the companies that made these games would never do it because they would be bad business moves.  And look where we are now.  I know this is a bit subjective, but think about how far games have come as an art form.  Heck, tell someone about 20 - 30 years ago that we'd actually be debating whether games are an art form, and odds are, that person would laugh.  

[CoolioThane]

But este, some literalists think control/synthesis are actually good choices that would save everyone...and not make you a mindless slave. They are the same people who sometimes wave their hand and say "bad writing" or whatever

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I'm sure Shepard's indoctrinated eyes in control/synthesis are also bugs.

Fixed.

Edit: And no, they're not bugs, they're, "Badd riting, lulz."

No. That has nothing to do with bad writing. That's how they made Shepard look, because like it or not, connecting with reaper technology does have this habit of making you their willingless slaves. Bad writing is the crucible. 

That was a joke.  The literal bad writing should have been a dead giveaway given my usual high standards.

[DoomsdayDevice]

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Considering the endings for the most part consists of a color pallet swapped energy beam and a slide show I doubt alot of work went into the different iterations of the endings once the main part was finished.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 28 décembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[cyrexwingblade]

Dwailing wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

You realize that for IT to be true and the most accurate representation of the ending, that Bioware would have had to put more work into the planning phase? And a great deal of detail-work throughout the game.

A game where *guns appear out of nowhere*, animation glitches abound, dialogue glitches break constantly, and it took a few months to fix the face-import system?

Do you really think the same team could pull that off? IT is simply giving Bioware too much credit.

IT would mean the game is a literary masterpiece of audience-bending genius.

It matters not. IT-supporters will simply feel endless frustration or inevitable disappointment. It requires that two of the three endings, already re-worked extensively, are just lies/tricks, and that the audience members who chose them are wrong or failures. That would be an artistically brave step, and very stupid for business.

I doubt Bioware's priorities are set that way.

You know, about 15 years ago, odds are if you told someone that a game like Bioshock would come out, with it's massive twist revealing that (MASSIVE SPOILERS) you've really been under the control of another character in the game, that person would have LOL'd.  And ten years ago, if you told someone that a game like Spec Ops: The Line, which completely and utterly deconstructs the shooter genre and is MEANT to make the player feel like a horrible person, would come out, odds are, again, they would laugh.  And in both cases, they'd probably tell you that the companies that made these games would never do it because they would be bad business moves.  And look where we are now.  I know this is a bit subjective, but think about how far games have come as an art form.  Heck, tell someone about 20 - 30 years ago that we'd actually be debating whether games are an art form, and odds are, that person would laugh.  

I wouldn't have. Simply because those are established narrative tools, and articulated in ways that don't completely fail. Spec Ops the Line pushes that a bit, but it makes the point, and the debat falls to the details that point toward the conclusion, rather than actually calling the conclusion itself into question. The question of 'how you know' those twists *happened* is all that matters.

ME3 the debate is 'is there a twist? I really think they're is a twist..."

I enjoyed the game, it was fun, and the story worked for me for the most part. It also had glaring errors and pieces that broke down completely for me.

A work of art that actually strove for the ending IT proposes would not have tolerated those holes, or would be deemed a failure for how little doubt it imbues into others. It's just not that complicated.

[estebanus]

CoolioThane wrote...

But este, some literalists think control/synthesis are actually good choices that would save everyone...and not make you a mindless slave. They are the same people who sometimes wave their hand and say "bad writing" or whatever

Nope, the people who tend to scream around that it's bad writing tend to be those that picked destroy. Controllers and synthesizers consist almost only of pro-enders. You can easily see that in their threads.

Modifié par estebanus, 28 décembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

[byne]

cyrexwingblade wrote...

A game where *guns appear out of nowhere*, animation glitches abound, dialogue glitches break constantly, and it took a few months to fix the face-import system?

Do you really think the same team could pull that off? IT is simply giving Bioware too much credit.

First time I've seen the "My face didnt import correctly. This disproves IT." argument.

My face always imported just fine.