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[jasonh10]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

I also found it a little odd that Javik was covered in red blood. Not
sure what color prothean blood is, but I'm guessing not human red. From
what I saw, though, all the other squad mates in the different
variations were covered in red blood, so maybe it isn't their own.
Couldn't tell what color it was on Garrus, though.

Liara's blood in that scene is dark purple/blue

Red blood on blue skin would probably look purple.

In LotSB you can see Asari blood is blue/purple.

Ah, I completely forgot about that. Gracias. So is it pretty much accepted that Javik does indeed have red blood?

That seems to be the case. Though it can just be they didn't want to create another blood material and just went with the red one

Lol yeah it could just be a cut corner. I could excuse them for that in the EC. The whole little thing with Javik pleading to stay and reaching for Shepard seemed pretty out of character. It could have been they just didn't want to creaqte a whole new animation just for him.

[The Heretic of Time]

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

These forums are bizarre.
A thousand threads of people complaining that Bioware make content that "doesn't make sense"
and then... this:
http://social.biowar.../index/12970501

Euhm it's pretty obvious that the thread is satire. It's a joke thread.

Yeah, kinda like the IXT thread.

Oh and Hanar, I watched that video you posted the other day, and I actually enjoyed it. Thanks.

You're welcome. Glad you liked it. The video truly is a labour of love. I didn't create it though, but I know the guy who did spent 5 years of his life on it. I really like the visuals and style of it, the symbolism too.

[Rosewind]

TSA_383 wrote...

These forums are bizarre.
A thousand threads of people complaining that Bioware make content that "doesn't make sense"
and then... this:
http://social.biowar.../index/12970501

OMG That so funny lol

This made me ****** me self

DistantUtopia wrote...

Oh, and lets not forget Shepasaurus' best friends, Garrudactyl and Tali'Zaurus

[masster blaster]

i want you to watch the Renegade ending for ME2 again and pay attention.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 06:51 .

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

These forums are bizarre.
A thousand threads of people complaining that Bioware make content that "doesn't make sense"
and then... this:
http://social.biowar.../index/12970501

Euhm it's pretty obvious that the thread is satire. It's a joke thread.

Yeah, kinda like the IXT thread.

Oh and Hanar, I watched that video you posted the other day, and I actually enjoyed it. Thanks.

You're welcome. Glad you liked it. The video truly is a labour of love. I didn't create it though, but I know the guy who did spent 5 years of his life on it. I really like the visuals and style of it, the symbolism too.

It reminds me of another video I saw some time ago that was made by a college student. That one was really great. I shed tears.

Basically, it's a cartoon about a girl who likes painting, so she decides to make a big mural of dragons, elves, etc. So what happens after she finishes it is that she drops a bucket of pain on the painting, and it covers the entire left wing of a baby dragon, and she thinks it's ruined. Suddenly, the painting becomes alive and the girl is sucked into this fantasy world, where she becomes friends with this dragon, and she tries to help its disability, which is its lack of a left wing. However, just before the dragon manages to fly without a left wing, the girl is sucked out of the dream into real life. The dragon never learned flying.

[Home run MF]

Home run MF wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

Liara's blood in that scene is dark purple/blue

Red blood on blue skin would probably look purple. Sorry if you guys have already been through all this. I don't get on here a lot and the IT threads aren't the easiest to search through with the 4000+ pages and all. What about the beam? Did you guys ever discuss and come to any conclusions on what made Anderson and everybody think they could 'ride' the beam to the Citadel in the first place?

It looks purple even on her white armour compare it to James. Does not look like human blood to me.

Modifié par Home run MF, 08 août 2012 - 06:56 .

[FellishBeast]

masster blaster wrote...

I don't own the game buy I have played all 3 mass effect games with my friend, we chip in the money and he payed the higher portion so he keeps the origin ID. Hence why I cant post in your threads.

Been following your posts though.

While there are various theories put forward by many, I think we can all agree the last part is a hallucination of sorts, whether its a waking nightmare or plain "in his mind" indoctrination attempt. When it starts and when it ends it still debatable. It will continue to be so until Bioware shows us the missing episodes in that battle.

But the focus has to be that even the best theories out there have big flaws when it comes to explaining away how reject/refuse gets added in the EC. Yeah, yeah I have read the Shepard "is being indecisive" argument, plus several others. They all still don't explain why he is unable to break free if he has the strong will power to at-least refuse. you'd think he would try to look for a way out anyway. He said it himself 'I will know I died fighting'. Well then where is that fight? We don't see it. If he dies or not is besides the point, we just didn't see the great speech followed through with actions, correct?

It came to my mind, after reading YOUR posts the answer is very simple and will confirm many other's suspicions about the conduit beam device's true purpose.

Remember how Anderson kept saying "Shepard something big is going to happen here at London" The reaper forces have been mobilizing in strength, they are preparing for something, I can feel it." Or something to that effect well before you even start your mission to take back earth. Somewhere midway in the game when Anderson files his personal reports of the war front situations thats when he says those details. And when you finally reach earth, lo and behold you see the conduit being set up by the reapers. That right there is the 'big thing'.

Now why should it be such a big thing for the reapers? What do reapers exist to do? Reapers reap and indoctrinate, hence that huge contraption has to be an indoctrination device.

So with that premise lets move forward.

Control Synthesis and Destroy options in pre-EC

Control and synthesis you/Shepard are essentially standing in-front of the beam and getting indoctrinated plain and simple when your character buys into that nonsense. Destroy, you are actually firing your weapon right into that conduit beam. And you destroy it, letting you break 'free'.

Now anyone's going to ask how can such a big thing be destroyed, how is that possible?. We are ofcourse playing a game and the story is of commander shepard as the savior of the galaxy, he can be afforded some plot convenience to achieve this. There could be some area of the device that's sensitive to gun fire no matter how large a device it is. Exactly why the reaper leader habinger himself comes in to ensure no one got through. And on the way to the conduit run, things were never smooth anyway, hordes of attacks wave after wave to stop you from getting close, plus that destroyer you had to deal with thanix missiles. Some may say thats too cheesy, well think about it what Shepard has achieved is not really practical in real life. Its fiction, its a game. It has to have some impractical cliches to get through, thats what makes the game experience memorable. Nobody plays games to taste realities of daily life, we play games to escape reality.

Now lets think of refuse, at first it really does look like Bioware is giving the fans who complained the proverbial middle finger. But objectively thinking they don't have the balls to do that. Just think for a second, they survive because we buy their games, we have the wallet power no matter how mighty and heighty they may think of themselves. So we must set it in our head this is not a FU from them to us. So coming back to our problem, we why can't Shepard break free?

Exactly! he hasn't done anything to destroy that device right in-front of him that is making him see unreal visions of his surroundings. To end his hallucination he needs to destroy that conduit beam. Starbinger gets pissed and says 'So be it' because Shepard shows his resolve to not choose their preferred options, this means their indoctrination attempt failed totally. Hardly being indecisive. Thats an illogical and unsubstantiated theory. It also doesn't mean Shepard is weak, it just means their final attempts simply failed. And what happens to Shepard after that is immaterial to the reapers.

Now another argument that comes almost always is why will this starbinger entity even propose the 'destroy' option? It pretty obvious. Shepard 'made it all the way' so to speak to this delusional environment, he can might as well start firing and destroying things to try anything desperately. Shepard a while back heard hackket come on the radio saying the crucible isn't firing. Shepard did what he thought was enough, dock the damn contraption and it should do whatever the heck it was supposed to do. That didn't work. The destroy tube also looks very much like the tubes he shot at the collector base. Hiding this option is now pointless because of that. Starbinger in a last ditch attempt tries his luck (but not his best) to down play that option.

Recall how starbinger kept saying how 'There is "little" time but I will try to explain things'? Them reapers sure were in a hurry. Now we can speculate what the reasons maybe but Bioware has to reveal more for that. We don't have enough material to really speculate even to a worthwhile degree what all the hurry was for.

We still don't know what crucible really does anyway. Whether its a threat to the reapers or if its even supposed to be weapon of sorts. What is apparent is that until Shepard got close to the indoctrination beam they were protective of that conduit device, now that he has the chance to 'destroy' it, the repears don't have a priority on saving that device anymore. Another reason why the focus was more on betting Shepard to take control or synth instead of destroy, but if he didn't fall for it and took destroy, then that's fine too because by that point reapers had other plans in mind. The loss of the conduit was no more that big a concern to them. Also explains why they just leave Shepard to rot in refuse. Priorities have changed by then. We just don't know why. You speculators mid find something in time am pretty sure.

This whole plot also tells us Bioware hasn't shown the rest of the war. What really happened etc. We saw "some" forward looking endings, they can might as well be in shepard's head, or infact be real but what happened between shepard's choices and the depicted endings are not revealed to us by bioware.

Assuming that the whole conduit device is an indoctrination device is the only way refuse can make any sense. Again keep in mind that 'Time was also short'. Whatever starbinger was in a hurry for also affected shepard and the entire galaxy, as we know when shepard fails and the cycle continues, be it in his head or for real.

The rest of the aspects are fully open to debate, cant say who is right at the moment, especially post EC. But without a doubt there was a dream/hallucination sequence of some kind for whatever duration that might have been.

If this was already discussed then you can ignore my suggestions and I apologize for wasting your time, but i think so far no one has really seen Refuse in this fashion considering what the conduit can truly be.

Take care.

This was from windsurfing an IT supporter that wishes us for the best of luck.

Good post, "masster."

[masster blaster]

FellishBeast wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I don't own the game buy I have played all 3 mass effect games with my friend, we chip in the money and he payed the higher portion so he keeps the origin ID. Hence why I cant post in your threads.

Been following your posts though.

While there are various theories put forward by many, I think we can all agree the last part is a hallucination of sorts, whether its a waking nightmare or plain "in his mind" indoctrination attempt. When it starts and when it ends it still debatable. It will continue to be so until Bioware shows us the missing episodes in that battle.

But the focus has to be that even the best theories out there have big flaws when it comes to explaining away how reject/refuse gets added in the EC. Yeah, yeah I have read the Shepard "is being indecisive" argument, plus several others. They all still don't explain why he is unable to break free if he has the strong will power to at-least refuse. you'd think he would try to look for a way out anyway. He said it himself 'I will know I died fighting'. Well then where is that fight? We don't see it. If he dies or not is besides the point, we just didn't see the great speech followed through with actions, correct?

It came to my mind, after reading YOUR posts the answer is very simple and will confirm many other's suspicions about the conduit beam device's true purpose.

Remember how Anderson kept saying "Shepard something big is going to happen here at London" The reaper forces have been mobilizing in strength, they are preparing for something, I can feel it." Or something to that effect well before you even start your mission to take back earth. Somewhere midway in the game when Anderson files his personal reports of the war front situations thats when he says those details. And when you finally reach earth, lo and behold you see the conduit being set up by the reapers. That right there is the 'big thing'.

Now why should it be such a big thing for the reapers? What do reapers exist to do? Reapers reap and indoctrinate, hence that huge contraption has to be an indoctrination device.

So with that premise lets move forward.

Control Synthesis and Destroy options in pre-EC

Control and synthesis you/Shepard are essentially standing in-front of the beam and getting indoctrinated plain and simple when your character buys into that nonsense. Destroy, you are actually firing your weapon right into that conduit beam. And you destroy it, letting you break 'free'.

Now anyone's going to ask how can such a big thing be destroyed, how is that possible?. We are ofcourse playing a game and the story is of commander shepard as the savior of the galaxy, he can be afforded some plot convenience to achieve this. There could be some area of the device that's sensitive to gun fire no matter how large a device it is. Exactly why the reaper leader habinger himself comes in to ensure no one got through. And on the way to the conduit run, things were never smooth anyway, hordes of attacks wave after wave to stop you from getting close, plus that destroyer you had to deal with thanix missiles. Some may say thats too cheesy, well think about it what Shepard has achieved is not really practical in real life. Its fiction, its a game. It has to have some impractical cliches to get through, thats what makes the game experience memorable. Nobody plays games to taste realities of daily life, we play games to escape reality.

Now lets think of refuse, at first it really does look like Bioware is giving the fans who complained the proverbial middle finger. But objectively thinking they don't have the balls to do that. Just think for a second, they survive because we buy their games, we have the wallet power no matter how mighty and heighty they may think of themselves. So we must set it in our head this is not a FU from them to us. So coming back to our problem, we why can't Shepard break free?

Exactly! he hasn't done anything to destroy that device right in-front of him that is making him see unreal visions of his surroundings. To end his hallucination he needs to destroy that conduit beam. Starbinger gets pissed and says 'So be it' because Shepard shows his resolve to not choose their preferred options, this means their indoctrination attempt failed totally. Hardly being indecisive. Thats an illogical and unsubstantiated theory. It also doesn't mean Shepard is weak, it just means their final attempts simply failed. And what happens to Shepard after that is immaterial to the reapers.

Now another argument that comes almost always is why will this starbinger entity even propose the 'destroy' option? It pretty obvious. Shepard 'made it all the way' so to speak to this delusional environment, he can might as well start firing and destroying things to try anything desperately. Shepard a while back heard hackket come on the radio saying the crucible isn't firing. Shepard did what he thought was enough, dock the damn contraption and it should do whatever the heck it was supposed to do. That didn't work. The destroy tube also looks very much like the tubes he shot at the collector base. Hiding this option is now pointless because of that. Starbinger in a last ditch attempt tries his luck (but not his best) to down play that option.

Recall how starbinger kept saying how 'There is "little" time but I will try to explain things'? Them reapers sure were in a hurry. Now we can speculate what the reasons maybe but Bioware has to reveal more for that. We don't have enough material to really speculate even to a worthwhile degree what all the hurry was for.

We still don't know what crucible really does anyway. Whether its a threat to the reapers or if its even supposed to be weapon of sorts. What is apparent is that until Shepard got close to the indoctrination beam they were protective of that conduit device, now that he has the chance to 'destroy' it, the repears don't have a priority on saving that device anymore. Another reason why the focus was more on betting Shepard to take control or synth instead of destroy, but if he didn't fall for it and took destroy, then that's fine too because by that point reapers had other plans in mind. The loss of the conduit was no more that big a concern to them. Also explains why they just leave Shepard to rot in refuse. Priorities have changed by then. We just don't know why. You speculators mid find something in time am pretty sure.

This whole plot also tells us Bioware hasn't shown the rest of the war. What really happened etc. We saw "some" forward looking endings, they can might as well be in shepard's head, or infact be real but what happened between shepard's choices and the depicted endings are not revealed to us by bioware.

Assuming that the whole conduit device is an indoctrination device is the only way refuse can make any sense. Again keep in mind that 'Time was also short'. Whatever starbinger was in a hurry for also affected shepard and the entire galaxy, as we know when shepard fails and the cycle continues, be it in his head or for real.

The rest of the aspects are fully open to debate, cant say who is right at the moment, especially post EC. But without a doubt there was a dream/hallucination sequence of some kind for whatever duration that might have been.

If this was already discussed then you can ignore my suggestions and I apologize for wasting your time, but i think so far no one has really seen Refuse in this fashion considering what the conduit can truly be.

Take care.

This was from windsurfing an IT supporter that wishes us for the best of luck.

Good post, "masster."

It's not mine, but I posted it because i asked him if I can post his Message to me.

[The Heretic of Time]

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

These forums are bizarre.
A thousand threads of people complaining that Bioware make content that "doesn't make sense"
and then... this:
http://social.biowar.../index/12970501

Euhm it's pretty obvious that the thread is satire. It's a joke thread.

Yeah, kinda like the IXT thread.

Oh and Hanar, I watched that video you posted the other day, and I actually enjoyed it. Thanks.

You're welcome. Glad you liked it. The video truly is a labour of love. I didn't create it though, but I know the guy who did spent 5 years of his life on it. I really like the visuals and style of it, the symbolism too.

It reminds me of another video I saw some time ago that was made by a college student. That one was really great. I shed tears.

Basically, it's a cartoon about a girl who likes painting, so she decides to make a big mural of dragons, elves, etc. So what happens after she finishes it is that she drops a bucket of pain on the painting, and it covers the entire left wing of a baby dragon, and she thinks it's ruined. Suddenly, the painting becomes alive and the girl is sucked into this fantasy world, where she becomes friends with this dragon, and she tries to help its disability, which is its lack of a left wing. However, just before the dragon manages to fly without a left wing, the girl is sucked out of the dream into real life. The dragon never learned flying.

If you ever find that video again, PM me the link please. I would really like to see it.  I always appreciate art like that.

[estebanus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

If you ever find that video again, PM me the link please. I would really like to see it.  I always appreciate art like that.

I'll try. Arian posted that link in the first thread, so I guess I'll be able to find it there.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

If you ever find that video again, PM me the link please. I would really like to see it.  I always appreciate art like that.

I'll try. Arian posted that link in the first thread, so I guess I'll be able to find it there.

Wait, are we talking about sad videos?

Because this video makes me pretty sad.

Its done by the same guy who did the cutscenes in Katawa Shoujo.

[jasonh10]

Home run MF wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

Liara's blood in that scene is dark purple/blue

Red blood on blue skin would probably look purple. Sorry if you guys have already been through all this. I don't get on here a lot and the IT threads aren't the easiest to search through with the 4000+ pages and all. What about the beam? Did you guys ever discuss and come to any conclusions on what made Anderson and everybody think they could 'ride' the beam to the Citadel in the first place?

It looks purple even on her white armour compare it to James. Does not look like human blood to me.

Megumi also pointed out LoTSB. So I guess the blood colors were all correct then and didn't mean anything.

What about all the guys shooting though. What were they shooting at? Was it just supposed to be understood that there were bad guys around? I never saw any. There were mysterious explosions going on all around. Beam or not, they seemed too small to be caused by Harbinger.

I have an idea that maybe Shepard never left Thessia. Specifically, when Kai Leng blows out the temple and Shepard almost falls before Liara catches him. Maybe he doesn't actually climb back up. Maybe Shep fell into the basement of that place. It would at least fit the scenario of the breath scene. He was in an explosion that could have burned and damaged his armor, the structure's floor is built of tiled-looking concrete, or something similar, and it would be in a place where there could be wind. Everything after that starts to get kinda weird. The whole moving the Citadel thing is odd, moving it to Earth.

I've tried my best to figure out what that prominant metal structure is in the foreground the camera pans across, and that Shepard appears to be indrectly lying on. I've broken the video into stills and taken them into Photoshop doing enhancements frame by frame to make out what I could of it's actual shape and structure. I have had no luck. I can tell it's basic shape, but no idea what it is. I can't find it anywhere in the game. I'm 99% sure it is not a Mako or other transport. Do you guys know what it is?

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

If you ever find that video again, PM me the link please. I would really like to see it.  I always appreciate art like that.

I'll try. Arian posted that link in the first thread, so I guess I'll be able to find it there.

Wait, are we talking about sad videos?

Because this video makes me pretty sad.

Its done by the same guy who did the cutscenes in Katawa Shoujo.

That was beautiful:crying:

[masster blaster]

okay this is the Conversation Shepard, and Saren have at Virmier.

And it has Spanish sub titles, but English dub.

It's very intresting.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 07:19 .

[Rosewind]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

If you ever find that video again, PM me the link please. I would really like to see it.  I always appreciate art like that.

I'll try. Arian posted that link in the first thread, so I guess I'll be able to find it there.

Wait, are we talking about sad videos?

Because this video makes me pretty sad.

Its done by the same guy who did the cutscenes in Katawa Shoujo.

lol you really promting that thing arent you Byne ..... but u did influence me to watch RvB i have no clue why i have never watched it before but I love it!

[smokingotter1]

masster blaster wrote...



okay this is the Conversation Shepard, and Saren have at Virmier.

And it has Spanish sub titles, but English dub.

It's very intresting.

As you listen to Saren turn up your speakers... notice the same drum beat? Boom boom....boom boom. Same as the catalyst 2

Modifié par smokingotter1, 08 août 2012 - 07:28 .

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

If you ever find that video again, PM me the link please. I would really like to see it.  I always appreciate art like that.

I'll try. Arian posted that link in the first thread, so I guess I'll be able to find it there.

Wait, are we talking about sad videos?

Because this video makes me pretty sad.

Its done by the same guy who did the cutscenes in Katawa Shoujo.

lol you really promting that thing arent you Byne ..... but u did influence me to watch RvB i have no clue why i have never watched it before but I love it!

Well, that video really has nothing to do with KS. Its just a nice video. I only mentioned KS because I was quoting estebanus, and I know he played KS.

Though I'm glad you're enjoying RvB!

[estebanus]

Well, I'm gonna go and play some slender. See you later.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm gonna go and play some slender. See you later.

Slender? The subject of this Rage Quit video?

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Well, I'm gonna go and play some slender. See you later.

Slender? The subject of this Rage Quit video?

Yes. It's f*cking terrifying.

[masster blaster]

Now watch this. This is from the final battle in ME1/last Conversation with Saren. Renegade


Now this is the same scene, but with Paragon Shepard.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 07:41 .

[BlazingZephyr]

masster blaster wrote...



Now watch this. This is from the final battle in ME1/last Conversation with Saren. Renegade


Now this is the same scene, but with Paragon Shepard.

Question: Why do you keep posting these videos with no explanation as to why?

[Lyria]

I like how masster blaster is trolling me about wanting more clarification on Cerberus's motivations and if there is something more to their kidnapping. I Think I just want Cerberus to be more fleshed out and not just a flat "I'm evil because im evil" type of enemy.

[BlazingZephyr]

protognosis wrote...

I like how masster blaster is trolling me about wanting more clarification on Cerberus's motivations and if there is something more to their kidnapping. I Think I just want Cerberus to be more fleshed out and not just a flat "I'm evil because im evil" type of enemy.

This. That's exactly what I was talking about earlier.

[masster blaster]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...



Now watch this. This is from the final battle in ME1/last Conversation with Saren. Renegade


Now this is the same scene, but with Paragon Shepard.

Question: Why do you keep posting these videos with no explanation as to why?

bcause I am not done yet, and you are not going to believe what I have found in ME1 that has some resembleins to Shepard clutching his/her side once Anderson dies.